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Red Band Trailer For Spike Lee's OLDBOY Remake
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Remakes should be done if improvements can be made upon, or if something new can be brought to the table. I do believe there are some films that are "untouchable," not in the sense that they shouldn't be remade, simply that the original film is perfect as it stands and remaking it is needless. Is Oldboy deserving of this? I don't think so.
The original is incredibly overrated. Chan Wook Park is a horrid screenwriter, and that's where the film ultimately fails. The film has amazing cinematography and direction, there's no questioning that, but the rest of the film isn't so flawless. First of all, I'm bored to death of Korean scores, which basically amount to classical music 99.9% of the time. Second of all, the acting while damned good for Min-sik Choi (except the end), was overly melodramatic and overstated in a lot of areas. It was quite cartoonish in this respect, which is understandable considering its an adaptation of a graphic novel, but not in line with the overly serious tone the film ultimately takes. The villain in particular gave one of the most laughably cheesy and tone contrasting performances that I've ever seen. The narrative was disjointed as all hell and the actual ending, and not the twist, is honestly one of the dumber things to grace a 3rd act.
Basically, the film can be improved upon, which is the only justified reason for a remake IMO. There's room for an Oldboy film that maintains the excellent visual flair of the original, with a lean narrative, strong performances across the board (and an actual villain this time around), decent soundtrack and an ending that isn't an insult to the audience's intelligence. And it's bringing in elements from the source material (manga) that was not present within the original adaptation.
It's a warranted remake IMO.
The original is incredibly overrated. Chan Wook Park is a horrid screenwriter, and that's where the film ultimately fails. The film has amazing cinematography and direction, there's no questioning that, but the rest of the film isn't so flawless. First of all, I'm bored to death of Korean scores, which basically amount to classical music 99.9% of the time. Second of all, the acting while damned good for Min-sik Choi (except the end), was overly melodramatic and overstated in a lot of areas. It was quite cartoonish in this respect, which is understandable considering its an adaptation of a graphic novel, but not in line with the overly serious tone the film ultimately takes. The villain in particular gave one of the most laughably cheesy and tone contrasting performances that I've ever seen. The narrative was disjointed as all hell and the actual ending, and not the twist, is honestly one of the dumber things to grace a 3rd act.
Basically, the film can be improved upon, which is the only justified reason for a remake IMO. There's room for an Oldboy film that maintains the excellent visual flair of the original, with a lean narrative, strong performances across the board (and an actual villain this time around), decent soundtrack and an ending that isn't an insult to the audience's intelligence. And it's bringing in elements from the source material (manga) that was not present within the original adaptation.
It's a warranted remake IMO.
Well, no, he did a new adaptation based off the original novel.
Eyemus Lutt
Member
As someone who hasn't seen the original, this looks really good. I'll probably check out the original after watching this version same as I did for The Watchmen and the comic where there ending of the comic ended up being worse than the film.
General_Zod
Banned
I didn't like the idea of the remake as i love the original, this doesn't look bad I was expecting a wreck.
What haven't you been banned for?
Honestly, what looks bad about it from that trailer?
Yeah, just finished. It was exactly what I expected. They were so intent on telling me how the two movies were different, that they neglected to really explain why the differences in the sequel made it bad. Yes, the protagonists in both films differ in terms of motivation and development. But why is the remake's take bad? They never say. I guess I'm just supposed to believe that the success or failure of the remake hinges on how closely it adheres to the original.
Let Me In's characters, their development, and their motivations make sense within the narrative. Though the characters arrive at slightly different places than the ones in the original in terms of their relationships and arcs, that doesn't mean that they arrived at some inferior destination.
The guys at Twin Perfect really are fucking horrible when it comes to reviewing movies. I guess I that's to be expected when, instead of judging a movie by what it gets right and wrong on its own, you spend the entire time discussing how much it isn't like a film that came before it. Ebert they ain't.
Sorry guys, nothing beats this. Godzilla 98 is an abomination.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
I'm not a big Spike Lee fan, but I think this looks pretty good. And I loved the original.
That looks soulless. For me it wasn't the plot that made the original good (I much prefer Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance in that regard), but rather it's style and aesthetics. The music , the cinematography, the editing, the transitions etc. As someone else also said, it misses it's quirkiness, this looks too dead serious, bland.
I'd put the remake of The Vanishing ahead of Godzilla 98 for two very important reasons:
1. how much they fucked up the ending
2. that the director of the original was roped into doing the remake
Sending nudes to Evilore. Seems to enjoy them, in fact.
So THAT'S why your bans are so short!
I don't know man, the jump from Gojira 54 to Godzilla 98 is so fucking agrideous. They completely missed the fucking point of Godzilla and what he symbolizes. Hopefully Legendary Pictures will deliver on their reimagining. I want my Godzilla grimdark, as those were actually my favorites growing up.
cj_iwakura
Member
Doesn't seem bad to me. I look forward to a new audience's reactions.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Lee said this isn't a remake, but an adaptation of the manga. And I believe the manga didnt have the
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afternoon delight
Member
Gladly will watch. Brolin in a version of Oldboy? Could only be better if Gary Oldman was the lead (which we bantered about in the last thread).
Technosteve
Banned
truthfacts. The Departed was a shit remake
Messofanego
Banned
Didn't like 25th Hour, Do the Right Thing, Jungle Fever, or Inside Man?
oh shut up
Nappuccino
Member
I dunno.
It's going to be hard for Brolin to top Min-sik Choi's performance.
I think it's his gravely voice from the very beginning that feels off.
It's going to be hard for Brolin to top Min-sik Choi's performance.
I think it's his gravely voice from the very beginning that feels off.
Angry Fork
Member
Looks good, I generally don't like remakes and the original is a classic but I'll go see it for Spike. It looks like they may keep that long single shot fight sequence which is cool. I don't understand people saying it looks 'horrible'.
If they don't use the twist from the original I hope they don't try too hard to try to top it doing something else. But I liked the twist in the original I don't know how/why people say it ruined the movie.
I also hope they don't
If they don't use the twist from the original I hope they don't try too hard to try to top it doing something else. But I liked the twist in the original I don't know how/why people say it ruined the movie.
I also hope they don't
have any live animals being tortured/killed. That shit was awful in the original, people thought it was "cool" because it's shocking to westerners but it's fucking sick. Fuck cultural differences or whatever excuse people use to justify it.
childplease
Banned
It's spike lee so its gonna suck.
Not even Brolin can make me want to see this.
Not even Brolin can make me want to see this.
Unless
he's being lied about it. Who's to say that footage is not a made-up footage of an actress playing his daughter?
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Just watched the trailer.
Shit, I'm looking forward to it.
Shit, I'm looking forward to it.
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
This has spurred me on to watch the original. I've have it for awhile, but never cracked it open.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
I hope Spike sticks with the same plot twist and doesnt change it to something different.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Looks average as shit.
DanteFox
Member
Because it's western! Haven't you heard? Everything made by the Korea/Japan is better.
ChosenPredator
Banned
looks pretty good
don't see a slither of it looking bad
don't see a slither of it looking bad
legacyzero
Banned
This. Dayum.
Spring-Loaded
Member
I'm assuming this is an adaptation of the graphic novel. Don't know if how that'll affect whether it's different though. True Grit by the Coen brothers was almost exactly the same as the book, event-wise. This seems like a similar situation (book, movie adaptation, another adaptation years later)
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
No. I'm not saying they were bad, but the original actors were better.
And you're nuts if you think it's more impressive visually. Minus one questionable scene, the original looks fantastic and creates a better atmosphere.
freenudemacusers
Member
A lot of people in here seem to have already seen this movie.
(lol)
(lol)
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
A whole lotta meh, but will probably check out for the cast.
No Octopus, No buy.
No Octopus, No buy.
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