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Red Letter Media - The Star Wars Awakens Review
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Just saw it and it drags a lot during the first hour since nobody wants to hear how good some people think the prequels are. It's good for context but it's waaaay too much.
As for the Force Awakens and Disney. Rogue One will probably make a shit ton of cash but be just a blip in the radar like Avatar was which will make episode VIII anticipation be more tepid which will happen as it goes on. I don't think anybody but die hards are really excited about the Marvel stuff in more of a oh that's dope kind of way. Obviously nothing was going to come close to the Force Awakens hype cycle but still, serializing movies is not a trend I'm for.
The movie itself was great for what it was. Lighthearted but very engaging action sequences, some of the best in recent years. There's some really good classic shots during space battles and the setting/environment was fantastic, with the snowy woods being the best standout.
Most of the retreads don't bother me because they have to relive similar scenarios with very different skill sets and motivations. Rey/Finn are very different and subvert a lot from Luke/Han/Leia while the torch passing of the wise guy works great with Han Solo taking over the role of Obi Wan. Kyle definately steals the show by deconstructing the evil authority figure. The other satellite characters are pretty forgetful and they could've been a lot stronger but they aren't going to big the movie down at their current form.
His made up script about Death Star 2.0 being built by the republic and it being stolen by the fringe emperialists sounds a lot better than what we got and would make the audience witness many more events where there would be more crossed character interactions, from the old guard in the most part. But he's pretty inconsistent in criticizing RotS for leaving everything tied up with a neat bow and exactly as how they'll pick up in the OT (this was beyond awful), he complains time hasn't stood still during the 30 year gap. Sure, the teaser trailers really pointed to elements that were also just teasers in the movie like the Star Destroyer crashed and the return/presence of Storm Troopers, all of which is shrugged off during the movie. But at the end it would've been more fan service when you can easily fill in the blanks in broad strokes. New Order rose from the empire and started gaining military power at an alarming rate, Republic couldn't directly interfere so they funded the Resistance for unaffiliated attacks.
The movie is filled with weird contrivances and conviniences which I hated. What the fuck is a map to Luke and why does everybody know about it. They randomly bumped into Han Solo in the middle of space instead of stealing or boarding the MF in secret. The light saber being in a random storage room in some bar the happen to fly to and the worst offender was the repeat of the new Death Star. You could've had these same story beats without having them to be "well I guess that happened ..I guess.."
My biggest issue with the movie which he also touched is how the movie continuously breaks the 4th wall with Harrison Ford's sassy quips, how Finn is written as comic relief and that the Finn/Rey relationship is a juvenile platonic admiration that seems drawn out straight from the worst anime in order to appeal to kids so they don't cry cooties.
Indy 4 did the same with the "I'm getting too old for this" schtick and this one also goes for the "cool toy" garbage. It's completely breaks all tension and engagement from the movie in the same way prequel Obi Wan sassy comments are also completely out of place. Don't pander to your audience please.
The movie itself being a big giant teaser was a bit of a let down, Rey's past and Snoke being left for the future is great but there's nothing that takes it's place. Kyle being Han and Leia's kid was expected but great, especially with how they chose to play around with the expectation of the reveal. But the movie needed to answer at least on question that it raised and it really didn't.
Review was pretty funny though, laughed at all the gags except the last bit. His offensive brand of humor is just too good and I love these for it. It was entretaining but definately one of the weakest ones both in subject and humor.
As for the Force Awakens and Disney. Rogue One will probably make a shit ton of cash but be just a blip in the radar like Avatar was which will make episode VIII anticipation be more tepid which will happen as it goes on. I don't think anybody but die hards are really excited about the Marvel stuff in more of a oh that's dope kind of way. Obviously nothing was going to come close to the Force Awakens hype cycle but still, serializing movies is not a trend I'm for.
The movie itself was great for what it was. Lighthearted but very engaging action sequences, some of the best in recent years. There's some really good classic shots during space battles and the setting/environment was fantastic, with the snowy woods being the best standout.
Most of the retreads don't bother me because they have to relive similar scenarios with very different skill sets and motivations. Rey/Finn are very different and subvert a lot from Luke/Han/Leia while the torch passing of the wise guy works great with Han Solo taking over the role of Obi Wan. Kyle definately steals the show by deconstructing the evil authority figure. The other satellite characters are pretty forgetful and they could've been a lot stronger but they aren't going to big the movie down at their current form.
His made up script about Death Star 2.0 being built by the republic and it being stolen by the fringe emperialists sounds a lot better than what we got and would make the audience witness many more events where there would be more crossed character interactions, from the old guard in the most part. But he's pretty inconsistent in criticizing RotS for leaving everything tied up with a neat bow and exactly as how they'll pick up in the OT (this was beyond awful), he complains time hasn't stood still during the 30 year gap. Sure, the teaser trailers really pointed to elements that were also just teasers in the movie like the Star Destroyer crashed and the return/presence of Storm Troopers, all of which is shrugged off during the movie. But at the end it would've been more fan service when you can easily fill in the blanks in broad strokes. New Order rose from the empire and started gaining military power at an alarming rate, Republic couldn't directly interfere so they funded the Resistance for unaffiliated attacks.
The movie is filled with weird contrivances and conviniences which I hated. What the fuck is a map to Luke and why does everybody know about it. They randomly bumped into Han Solo in the middle of space instead of stealing or boarding the MF in secret. The light saber being in a random storage room in some bar the happen to fly to and the worst offender was the repeat of the new Death Star. You could've had these same story beats without having them to be "well I guess that happened ..I guess.."
My biggest issue with the movie which he also touched is how the movie continuously breaks the 4th wall with Harrison Ford's sassy quips, how Finn is written as comic relief and that the Finn/Rey relationship is a juvenile platonic admiration that seems drawn out straight from the worst anime in order to appeal to kids so they don't cry cooties.
Indy 4 did the same with the "I'm getting too old for this" schtick and this one also goes for the "cool toy" garbage. It's completely breaks all tension and engagement from the movie in the same way prequel Obi Wan sassy comments are also completely out of place. Don't pander to your audience please.
The movie itself being a big giant teaser was a bit of a let down, Rey's past and Snoke being left for the future is great but there's nothing that takes it's place. Kyle being Han and Leia's kid was expected but great, especially with how they chose to play around with the expectation of the reveal. But the movie needed to answer at least on question that it raised and it really didn't.
Review was pretty funny though, laughed at all the gags except the last bit. His offensive brand of humor is just too good and I love these for it. It was entretaining but definately one of the weakest ones both in subject and humor.
The entire first half being about slamming prequel apologists would have been better had the second half took the piss out of all of the criticisms prequel fans have about Episode 7. Like, if he would have brought up how people complained that the movie did nothing but steal imagery from A New Hope but then basically replay his entire segment in his Episode 2 review about how Clones rips off Empire, that would have worked.
Instead it feels like two different short Plinkett movies jammed together.
Instead it feels like two different short Plinkett movies jammed together.
It definitely wasn't one of his best ones. It's a lot easier to find humour in bad films like the prequels, when you've got a relatively well made movie like the force awakens you really need to pinpoint its flaws in order to riff on them. The thing had to be a lot more concise considering he wasn't working with a gold mine of material. Part of the reason I think it's hard to make fun of is precisely for the points he makes; namely that it is super safe and by the numbers, relying on what's tried and tested. It's kind of hard to make fun of something that's so beige, it's being made by a director who makes cookie cutter hollywood fare, it's made by a company that specialises in inoffensive fluff that appeals to everyone.
The point about the kind of humour that the force awakens employs is quite an interesting one. I think it's one of those things that seems to often crop up with modern Hollywood film making which is that characters often seem to have this kind of self aware, wink wink kind of attitude which is tension breaking and ultimately lacking in authenticity. You see it a lot in Marvel films, which a lot of people suggest this is them "not taking itself too seriously" but too often feels like an excuse to get away with film making that is entirely unchallenging. The wise cracking jokes and the glib dialogue often seems to be used to disarm and distract the viewer away from the lack of quality in plot, themes and creativity by switching the tone to something like a comedy film or a children's animated film.
Some of the later points about diversity and sex felt really unfocused, in the case of diversity I was struggling to find a point. I mean, even if greater diversity was a result of studios wanting to fill a quota or make the film look more progressive than it is, the outcome isn't really that bad and doesn't play a part in the quality of the film. The sex point was not really a flaw for me, especially when you have a plot with larger, urgent problems at hand.
I did find it quite funny that George Lucas becomes a voice Plinkett sympathizes with given the previous reviews where he's basically torn to shreds.
The point about the kind of humour that the force awakens employs is quite an interesting one. I think it's one of those things that seems to often crop up with modern Hollywood film making which is that characters often seem to have this kind of self aware, wink wink kind of attitude which is tension breaking and ultimately lacking in authenticity. You see it a lot in Marvel films, which a lot of people suggest this is them "not taking itself too seriously" but too often feels like an excuse to get away with film making that is entirely unchallenging. The wise cracking jokes and the glib dialogue often seems to be used to disarm and distract the viewer away from the lack of quality in plot, themes and creativity by switching the tone to something like a comedy film or a children's animated film.
Some of the later points about diversity and sex felt really unfocused, in the case of diversity I was struggling to find a point. I mean, even if greater diversity was a result of studios wanting to fill a quota or make the film look more progressive than it is, the outcome isn't really that bad and doesn't play a part in the quality of the film. The sex point was not really a flaw for me, especially when you have a plot with larger, urgent problems at hand.
I did find it quite funny that George Lucas becomes a voice Plinkett sympathizes with given the previous reviews where he's basically torn to shreds.
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Seems to me like if they want to continue the Plinkett reviews they should do the DC Snyderverse. Those movies have plenty of material to dissect.
You're right, but the problem there is that I don't think Mike really gives much of a shit about superhero movies. At least compared to Star Wars and Star Trek.
Spieler Eins
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In fact, it's weird how he does that redundant act on the ring theory that's all about the prequels rehashing things, only for him to later admit that the prequels at least ,,did new things".
Is only Mike writing the Plinkett scripts?
really disappointed in this whole segment tbh
mike and co have demonstrated on many occasions that they're still somewhat narrow minded on stuff like this, and tend to be kinda sexist and/or racist and just generally behind the times. it's hard because i enjoy their personalities for the most part, i'd have a beer with jay, but when one of them says stuff like this it's hard for me to reconcile it.
I doubt it but it's basically his character so I imagine he has a lot of say
Salty Rice
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People are mad about the diversity thing? Didnt see that coming that people cant listen and take that bit too seriously.
He never said diversity sucks or he wants a white cast. He said that "hey look we are so diverse!" is so was so extreme and promoted that it was just a waste of time because nobody gives a shit than people who are so much obsessed with it in a negative but also a obsessed positive way.
He never said diversity sucks or he wants a white cast. He said that "hey look we are so diverse!" is so was so extreme and promoted that it was just a waste of time because nobody gives a shit than people who are so much obsessed with it in a negative but also a obsessed positive way.
this is far from the first occasion, he's probably serious.
this review is the most disappointing thing ever since my son
disney buys lucasfilm: feels like a repeat of the first review's mockery of lucas' merchandising machine, which works but eeeh
ring theory: the prequels couldn't get away from a trilogy that's considered classic
"the prequels were good": didn't watch
the actual review: The last comic on stage stole all his jokes so all that's left some alt-right shell of plinkett. I'd highlight the diversity part because Plinkett has nothing to rip on, it's not EP1 where his cynical self could say that Samuel L Jackson was thrown in to make some $$$ so he's left with no conclusion and his mumbling that kids don't care seems like a fucking joke
disney buys lucasfilm: feels like a repeat of the first review's mockery of lucas' merchandising machine, which works but eeeh
ring theory: the prequels couldn't get away from a trilogy that's considered classic
"the prequels were good": didn't watch
the actual review: The last comic on stage stole all his jokes so all that's left some alt-right shell of plinkett. I'd highlight the diversity part because Plinkett has nothing to rip on, it's not EP1 where his cynical self could say that Samuel L Jackson was thrown in to make some $$$ so he's left with no conclusion and his mumbling that kids don't care seems like a fucking joke
Funnily enough when Plinkett made the Into Darkness review it was a rather short review, mainly because it seemed Mike and co. realized that there was no point in breaking down a movie which's entire conceit was teasing and haphazardly reminding people about the franchise's own history.
I suppose there is more of a story to be made about the circumstances Star Wars resurfaced and how TFA commits to this concept in the most methodical way possible. But it definitely feels like there's far more bloat, even if I enjoyed a lot of the riffs in here. It's probably a little disingenuous to call this an explicit TFA review.
I suppose there is more of a story to be made about the circumstances Star Wars resurfaced and how TFA commits to this concept in the most methodical way possible. But it definitely feels like there's far more bloat, even if I enjoyed a lot of the riffs in here. It's probably a little disingenuous to call this an explicit TFA review.
EmCeeGramr
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That's part of why I felt they overstated the case for the sexlessness thing. They're right that TFA has far less romance and tension than the OT, but the part where they were trying to go for examples felt like they went to look, realized that there was really nothing overtly sexual in ANH itself outside of Leia's pose, and decided to take the inevitable unintended innuendo jokes that would probably have capped it off and made it the actual section.
That, and Finn being interested in Rey seemed really obvious to me at the time. Finn asking "cute boyfriend?" didn't flag as him being interested in men or a mixed signal, it was Finn being insecure enough that he wanted to know that if there was a boyfriend, that at least said boyfriend might not be super attractive so Finn would have a chance.
(Specifically talking about how Luke had blood pumping through his veins because he immediately commented on Leia's beauty and how Finn seeming interested in girls but maybe men if you squint and it's possibly a valid interpretation oh god I'm so confused mixed signals how can both happen, both seemed like genuinely "I don't get what you darned millennial kids are into these days, what happened to being a red blooded American boy and giving some love to the ladies")
Salty Rice
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Nothing wrong with him being serious.
Its that people here on the internet are too serious and the people who "obsessed in a positive way" you can see here in this thread for example.
"He says diversity isnt always important? What garbage is this! He is wrong and sucks!"
I feel like the ring theory stuff should have been it's own video. Personally I'm not even sure if that theory even was that prominent so that it had to be addressed.
You act like his critic was solely directed at Rey while it was actually directed at every character. He even mentioned multiple times possible gay pairings.
ScherzoPrime
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The issue is why is this a thing to begin with? It comes off as weird White Identity hemming and hawing about race consciousness in Hollywood. There's a clear discomfort with the idea that stuff like Race and Gender matter to people these days; that diversity only matters in certain contexts. Hell, I consider myself a Civil Libertarian of sorts and believe people can cast whoever they want, but the assumption that movies would naturally be colorblind is ridiculous.
Foxtastical
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His last two segments really opened him up to people that want to cherry pick ideas out of context.
SJurgenson
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No, they did not just say 'diversity is not always important', they directly questioned why a major film did not just fill its roles with white men.
It's 2016. Unless you are a basket-dwelling deplorable, you cannot just say racist things in public. The New Thing(tm) is to move to the meta-discussion.
I.E., instead of "why is there a black man in this role?", Internet racists (and their defenders) moved on to "why did Hollywood fill this role with a black man?" and pretend that is an enlightened question as part of a 'debate'.
Honestly they've had an alt-right audience since before Ghostbusters. It did however blow it up more.
On further thought:
Pretty much this. It's how it comes across. Especially considering how much they've changed.
Salty Rice
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Yeah so true.
While watching his review i already thought "Omg cant wait to read all the posts which are missing the point and call him racist and sexist because oh boi you cant talk about this stuff".
Saying "why not cast white men" and pointing out that its "obvious that there was big focus on diversity" isnt the same thing.
And calling this pointing out racist just proves how right he is with people who are obsessed with it.
There do people like me exist who are color blind and couldnt care less what ethnicity or gender somebody has in a movie.
But i do stop now but these kind of thing people never gonna change their viewpoint on it that there is a difference between diversity and being colorblind.
SJurgenson
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The prime target of that segment was a hypothetical Rey/Finn pairing that at least had some (minor) evidence of possibility in the film (direct quotes by Finn).
The other parts were either construing innocent quotes from OT as dirty, or completely made-up Internet homosexual shipping of characters.
Again, the main thrust of that segment was questioning why a female protagonist had priorities in the film that did not include mating with a person she just met.
SJurgenson
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Since one cannot (for the most part) be racist on the Internet without being called out, Internet racists are now 'talking about race'. That does not shield them from criticism of their racist ideas.
RLM decided to bring up the Internet racists and their reaction to a diverse cast, and then went on to lightly defend them. That segment questioned why a studio/director would cast people of different races/genders in their film. Guess what? That was not an enlightened discussion of modern Hollywood film-making, that was clearly a thinly-veiled 'why aren't there just white dudes in here?' moment.
The main argument in the 'Sex' segment was literally about how the female protagonist did not take time out of her busy/important schedule helping in saving the galaxy to 'fall in love'. For real.
How is that cherry picking? He literally questions as to why the cast is so diverse. He wonders if it was a corporate move or not. Like, why is this even a question. How is it anything but a positive decision on Disney's part, even if it was a corporate decision. Giving minorities big roles in a film like Star Wars is fantastic and only good can come from it, and yet he brings it up in a negative light. Saying that children don't see color or gender is also bullshit, the dude should educate himself.
ScherzoPrime
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I said it before elsewhere, but I think it sorta revealed a generational/cultural divide between their Normative Gen-X perspective and the pluralistic perspective of most Millennials. I think they're racist/sexist to the extent that they believe their are certain 'natural' roles for types of characters in narratives for which deviating from has to be justified, like Captain Phasma. I think from Mike's perspective he's trying to be understanding or at least take what he thinks is a middle of the road approach, but I think it's clear he lacks either the understanding or imagination to recognize how important stuff like, say, Rey not having a romance is.
RE: Phasma though, it's weird they didn't go more into how she was kind of a do-nothing character in the film (Though obviously they've promised she'll have more to do in Episode VIII).
No, the main thrust was "why is no one banging".
You just said yourself that there are at least some hints to a Rey/Finn pairing, so not surprising that there would be more attention to that when it's at least partially supported by the movie, but he also makes it very clear that just anyone pairing up would have been enough.
Fudgepuppy
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I'm pretty sure that I heard them talking in the behind the scenes that they wanted a white woman and a black man as the leads.
For as far as I know, no white guys were considered for the role of Finn.
Not defending him really. It's not really a complaint on his side.
Also, if they would start touting hate towards "SJW", you'll just gonna have to take everything progressive they've said in context as well.
They're far from one dimensional or alt-right if you follow them.
SJurgenson
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A large part of the critique of the prequels and their defense as 'media for children' was about how that was not a legitimate defense -- about how that is a lazy excuse for poor writing. Now RLM is using 'it's for kids' as part of their dog-whistling to MRAs/racists.
Pretty much.
Finn is trying to "m'lady" the shit out of Rey from the word go and she doesn't have any of that.
The difference in how the attraction is presented is that Luke follows the save the princess trope to a t. And while Leia certainly proved herself to be spunky she was still just a damsel in distress, with nobility for hierarchy while being physically weak.
So the fact that Rey is a hands on independant character makes it impossible to repeat the Luke dynamic. But in the movie they completely drop any pretense of sexual attraction and instead go for romantic bonds, of unconditional loyalty and affection. And while I guess it's better in a way than making women a trophy, it requires an emotional connection that hasn't been established.
Sure you could argue Rey has lived all her life in isolation with reuniting with her parents being the only thing on her mind, while Finn has been a soldier without any human bonds either so both are emotionally stunted . Ok I buy that. But there's no reason to present that as if they are 12 year old kids trying to flirt with one another and being in love of an idealized persona.
It's definately better than falling in love because you whine to your master in front of the girl you like and then carry her luggage. But Empires cat and mouse game works so much better with such a good pay off. So I hope VIII isn't afraid of disneyfying their romance and gives us at least something
So the fact that Rey is a hands on independant character makes it impossible to repeat the Luke dynamic. But in the movie they completely drop any pretense of sexual attraction and instead go for romantic bonds, of unconditional loyalty and affection. And while I guess it's better in a way than making women a trophy, it requires an emotional connection that hasn't been established.
Sure you could argue Rey has lived all her life in isolation with reuniting with her parents being the only thing on her mind, while Finn has been a soldier without any human bonds either so both are emotionally stunted . Ok I buy that. But there's no reason to present that as if they are 12 year old kids trying to flirt with one another and being in love of an idealized persona.
It's definately better than falling in love because you whine to your master in front of the girl you like and then carry her luggage. But Empires cat and mouse game works so much better with such a good pay off. So I hope VIII isn't afraid of disneyfying their romance and gives us at least something
They're not?
Salty Rice
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Thats what he points out. They start with so comically overtop that he has sexual feelings for her but let it drop immiadately without having the balls to go to full distance.
SJurgenson
Banned
That is the topic sentence, sure, but most of the content of that segment was on the Rey/Finn thing.
I'm not saying there is no discussion to be had on such a pairing, but the angle they came from is the offensive part. Additionally, never do they actually come close to understanding why the question itself is generally offensive.
If Rey were male, they would not immediately be asking why Rey wasn't getting busy. But because Rey is female, it's now An Important Question(tm).
They don't seem to understand why the two characters are platonic to each other. They are somehow aghast and confused that a female can be Just Friends(tm) with a male character.
No matter that both Rey and Finn are not in the best mental/emotional states for a relationship -- they have compatable gonads!!!
Big Baybee
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Damn, that rant about diversity.....
Thinking about the whole "sexuality" or inclusion of "love" thing it feels a little weird how the movie awkwardly tries to hint at the presence of it with some awkward passes and actions on Finn's part but as far as the non-presence of it between those two that's fine. Admittedly the presence of it could have been used as a cheaper way to fuel some of the arcs in the movie considering how unfulfilling this movie is with the characters but that would have only been a less thought out solution. The only real satisfying moment in the movie in my opinion was when Finn was brave enough to confront Kylo after he spent most of the movie being a coward, and even that as Plinkett pointed out, wasn't an arc that was entirely great. The characters are fantastic I think but they don't really get much exciting interplay that motivate each other.
It is kind of weird that Han and Leia don't get any real memorable moments between them either. Also you'd think Kylo would have something of a more person-dependent drive considering how he's an insecure emu.
Less so than sexuality I think the issue is that the characters don't get much of a chance to drive the story and each other's motivations.
It is kind of weird that Han and Leia don't get any real memorable moments between them either. Also you'd think Kylo would have something of a more person-dependent drive considering how he's an insecure emu.
Less so than sexuality I think the issue is that the characters don't get much of a chance to drive the story and each other's motivations.
EmCeeGramr
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He doesn't go all the way because conflict occurs in the plot. Finn becomes worried that the danger involved of going directly against the First Order will get them killed and considers leaving, which immediately leads into the scene where Finn and Rey are separated, and then the next time they're reunited it's for seconds before Finn gets knocked out by a slice to the back.
There's another kinda confusing contradiction in this video where they make fun of TFA's emotional character interactions ending with hugs and not lip locks, and then he tries to argue that ANH (the movie TFA is emulating) really does end with "Luke getting the girl" even if it doesn't seem that way, and tries to prove it by showing... Leia hugging Luke after the trench run.
SJurgenson
Banned
Just because one is a male and one is a female does not mean they need to hook up. I don't know about you, but I can have a professional/respectful/platonic relationship with people of the other gender without it inevitably turning into a romance.
99.9% sure it's been posted in this topic before that they weren't looking for anyone in particular race wise. John Boyega was the only AA man in the pool for Finn. Creating controversy where none-exists and YET AGAIN accusing studios of shoehorning in minorities/women etc. etc. is a repeated pattern of behavior from RLM at this point. And should be questioned. It's a bit alarming.
man, that is super disappointing
i tend to be a big fan of their film critiques. theyre also entertaining
but every once and a while mike says stuff that makes me double take
Spieler Eins
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Man, you're really reaching. Their whole point is that there'd be a romance if Finn was white. Which isn't exactly the most outlandish thing to suggest about a Disney movie.
CassidyIzABeast
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We need Finn and Rey to hook up for the culture. FOH with forehead kisses.
ScherzoPrime
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I think part of it is they considered Romance to be an integral part of the Heroic Adventure narrative, but obviously that was always structural superfluous (which is also why it was problematic). Romance in those narratives was never about the actual connection between the characters, it was at best an aspect of the (generally Male) protagonist's self-discovery, and at worst a mere reward for the adventuring. I think it's a step forward for movie making that if romances are going to occur, they have to be meaningful.
Maybe I'm just a simpleton, but that's honestly how I saw it from the start and never really thought about it much more than that. Finn kinda came off as a goofball from the start, so Rey and Finn's relationship felt pretty natural to me. There doesn't always have to be romance or "get the girl" subplot in these films.
I'm not opposed to the two getting together in one of the sequels, but if their relationship remains platonic it's whatever.
Yeah I had a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that Luke gets the girl at the end.
Yeah, their relationship felt pretty natural to me too. Even Finn kind of backing down from hitting on Rey felt natural after Rey kind of shoots him down and then the big movie conflict happens
Salty Rice
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Well they wrote the plot its not like it had to happen how it occured.
Also the ANH hugging thing was about despite him just hugging her he still did it to get the girl. He is still horny for Leia in ESB after all.
SJurgenson
Banned
There was no mention in the video about there being an interracial aspect to the lack of relationship.
They were not being race-positive in that segmt, they were being sexist.
This race tangent is so weird. They did a great job with having diverse representation. RLM acknowledges this and makes fun of how the first movie was a white's only club and that it had some pushback in the later movies.
Now Disney went all out with diverse casting, being a first in such a multimillion dollar movie, which admittedly is a big bet. But it's a bet with the safest variables and circumstances in your favour by doing it with the most beloved pop culture ip of all time. And it definately payed off with a lot of positive coverage because it's valued a lot nowadays. It being a corporate decision doesn't exclude it from having race/gender positive representations and they repeatedly say that it's fantastic so people won't jump to conclusions and call them klan leaders. They are cynical people that will see the cynical side, the business-advertising aspect as a crucial component of it. Everything they do is tongue in cheek, look at all the -> gay gags they did, I was laughing my ass off because it's a humorous depiction of the positive of Poe being possibly gay.
Now Disney went all out with diverse casting, being a first in such a multimillion dollar movie, which admittedly is a big bet. But it's a bet with the safest variables and circumstances in your favour by doing it with the most beloved pop culture ip of all time. And it definately payed off with a lot of positive coverage because it's valued a lot nowadays. It being a corporate decision doesn't exclude it from having race/gender positive representations and they repeatedly say that it's fantastic so people won't jump to conclusions and call them klan leaders. They are cynical people that will see the cynical side, the business-advertising aspect as a crucial component of it. Everything they do is tongue in cheek, look at all the -> gay gags they did, I was laughing my ass off because it's a humorous depiction of the positive of Poe being possibly gay.
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