Christopher
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Did he really go on television and spew that garbage?
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Refugee worker in Sweden fatally stabbed
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Did he really go on television and spew that garbage?
archnemesis
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Yes, here is the interview in Swedish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75ye0OSL9T0
Boss Mog
Member
That's how it is in Europe now. You better always support migrants and islam in general otherwise you're racist scum. And honestly I see a lot of that same rhetoric here on GAF, mostly from people on their high horse that have never had to deal with these issues.
I read another disgusting piece of news today out of Norway where a 17 year old girl is going to be charged for using pepper-spray to fight off a migrant that was trying to rape her.
EDIT: It was actually in Denmark not Norway don't know why I remembered it as Norway, my bad.
Boss★Moogle;193482458 said:
Probably because Pepper Spray is illegal for civilians in her country.
ClosingADoor
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I am going to hope some exception is made when protecting yourself from assault or rape, since that it a worse thing to get done to you then being pepper sprayed. I get the police has to charge her, but hope she doesn't get sentenced for anything then.
Doczu
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So it's better to get raped than to pepper-spray an asshole, right?
If you look at that list, it's illegal and/or hard to obtain in many countries for civilian uses.
I didn't make the rules, lol
The most she'd likely get is a fine, unless she's a repeat offender.
Doczu
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This shit is funny in a scary way, because you basically have no way to defend yourself. Think about it this way: the girl must have felt threatened for some time to obtain an illegal "weapon" that she eventually had to use for her own safety and now she will face consequences for it. The guy lives, no harm done other than theburning feeling for some time, and she might get charged for possesion of illegal arms and assault with it.
Banning of pepper-spray does seem counter-productive because civilians can't use guns or knives either.
At that point she'd have to either have an alarm that she'd set off when confronted or know some form of martial arts.
Pepper Spray would be the most logical non-lethal option, but these laws have been in effect for years, so I don't know what it would it would take to loosen them.
Morrigan Stark
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Pepper spray is illegal in Canada too. Disappointing.
Boss★Moogle;193482458 said:
The girl is Norwegian but it took place in Denmark.
While rage inducing it is not surprising. I remember a case in Norway of a guy punching/fighting off/beating up someone who tried to rape his girlfriend, then he got charged for violence against the rapist, so I guess martial arts wouldn't be an alternative either... So a rape alarm is probably the only option to use, and I'm not quite sure how I feel about that.
Boss★Moogle;193482458 said:
This is such an annoying narrative that some people keep trying to push.
People get blamed of being xenophobe too quickly, that is correct. You could argue the same about many monikers/labels these days. That said, in these discussions too many people also do not express themselves in an adequate and reasonable manner. Oftentimes the line between someone with xenophobic views and someone without the ability to express himself reasonably becomes blurry.
I would agree but it's such a shit show that these problems that have existed here from our "own" but weren't given such space. Sure times change, I mean check out Drömhus singer Therese was so blasé about men basically finger banging her if she stage dived. It was things that happened. Wouldn't be "ok", never was, today. Anyway, we had that, people have been sighing and talking about crazy FemmiNazzis instead of acknowledging the problem. "nuhu not me! I love and respect women".
Yepp, as long as they don't point out how our social structure have them 2 steps lower than a man. We have a lot to work on and pointing fingers at shitty immigrants without acknowledging our own shitty behaviour and try to rectify them both is wrong.
A large pile of shit and a small pile of shit still smells like shit.
Generous Europe...we're doing the cheapest thing possible. Take in a few % of those in need(even with economic refugees) because it's way cheaper than do what the UN has asked for since the 80s.
Help, A lot of help.
Well the cheapest thing would be to refuse everything all together. Ignore the Fair Share altogether and give it back...yeah right. We're not giving that money to our own citizens in need. It'll go to bigger tax cuts that still won't help our citizens in need.
I really do hope this will be a slap on the wrist. The law is the law...buuuut do 10 hours of community service and we're fine.
Boss★Moogle;193482458 said:
If you present yourself as racist scum you will be treated there after.
Didn't you know that going to parties with Nazi groups, screaming nazi propaganda or just calling people racial slurs will deem you a racist?
Of course there are idiots that will want to label you a racist. I've been on the receiving end of both side of idiots. Calling out Abo Raad for being a two faced giant piece of shit made me an Islamophobe until I pointed out what he was writing about non muslims and homosexuals.
ClosingADoor
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I don't think anybody here is denying we don't have our own problems - I haven't seen posts saying that. However, the issue is: are we responsible to rectify problems of others? While we are giving them safety, food and housing?
I hear all kinds of things about how we should educate people when they come here, but I don't see that as our responsibility. Certainly not when they come from regions that are not even at war. In December only 39% of refugees arriving in Greece are from Syria. So are we responsible to educate and rectify the problems of those other 61% - even if a certain percentage of that might also qualify for asylum for different circumstances?
I hope the case just gets thrown out. Any punishment would be too much, but it should be logged and handled by police first.
So Many Bullets
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Come on, you can do better than that. Rapists might get it too, so we need more laws. How do you draw a line in that line of thinking? You can apply that to so many facets of life.
How about we address the issue and stop tiptoeing around? Like making pepper spray more easy or hard to acquire is going to actually solve anything.
MisterFalcon
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Spot the fifteen year old in this picture.
Royal_Phalanx
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My sympathy for these refugees, if they even can be called that, is going down every day. We should boot most of those coming into Europe out (the ones who have no case for asylum), and only bring in those in refugee camps (the people who actually need help). If our countries don't, expect to see the far-right growing and growing, and things going to shit for everyone as a result. Assholes like this guy shouldn't be in Sweden to begin with. A lot of them don't have respect for liberty, tolerance or human rights, so why should we take the people who don't, and suffer as a result. I didn't think I would agree with David Cameron on something (though more should be taken in, 20,000 is pitiful). A lot of the refugees *cough* I mean economic migrants, shouldn't even be in Sweden if they passed through multiple safe countries. People from backwards, brutal and regressive countries don't believe in the same things that we do, and it's time we accepted that.
I didn't say posters I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of all these that seems to have awaken to the wrong doing of brown men. They are content sitting on their asses accepting the social structures giving them a boost but someone else pissing in their pissing spot? Yeah, wave that dick around. Not saying they are wrong here just that they started caring for the wrong reasons.
As for responsibility, yes we have that. If we have agreed to a multitude of conventions. We have irked our responsibilities and have withdrawn support for a multitude of social activities we used to have for our kids and elderly. Once you where weird if you didn't play ice hockey or football now only kids with middle class parents can afford hockey. We had youth centers where all sorts of different kids gathered and had fun, fought and where kids in general. The refugee camp we had 30km away from me had a bus that picked them up and dropped them of in town and those kids played with us. The football players played with us and we had fun. Now no one is allowed in on the football field without being part of the club or have a specific training time and the just-for-fun fields are going away if not already gone. Housing issues that aren't even solved for our own are seen as shit if we try and solve it for refugees. It's not like we had this problem for 20 years already. Every political party in power have found a reason to not do it. Now if you get a kid it's just sane to apply for a apartment and if you're lucky it'll be ready when they are 20 something.
If we had all this in place it wouldn't be such an issue today with the asylees.
But as for education everyone here? Yes, I would argue that we have to educate them on the responsibilities they have to the society they are applying to join. Freedom is never free*, everyone who wants to enjoy and partake is also responsible to add to it.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't an US citizenship require some sort of knowledge of everything USA?
*Well if you decide to live in the wild and be some sorta hermit do whatever as long as you don't hurt anyone or indirectly hurt them buy destroying nature.
Nope, the law is the law and community service can be a good thing you end up doing.
Again I say that no one wants those in the most need. Those that have grown up Dadaab and Kakuma are in dire need but we in the western world have perfected the art of sticking our own heads up our collective asses when it comes to them.
Darren870
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Well in other news, Sweden will be sending back 80,000 "asylum seekers" whom have had their applications rejected. This is half of the amount that came into Sweden "seeking asylum".
Wonder if he will be one of them.
Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/28/sweden-to-expel-up-to-80000-rejected-asylum-seekers
Sorry, I forgot to hit ctrl+v
Wonder if he will be one of them.
Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/28/sweden-to-expel-up-to-80000-rejected-asylum-seekers
Sorry, I forgot to hit ctrl+v
Woah, source?
Chittagong
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Spot the fifteen year old in this picture.
Annan/Putin ace attorneys?
Nice to see somebody willing to put their foot down.
ClosingADoor
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Yes. At your own cost. And you have to make the effort. Problem here is a lot of people want in for free, take the benefits and a place from people who actually need help. Less and less people over the last months came from Syria.
We have no obligation to let in people from Algeria, Tunisia, Pakistan, Morocco, etc. We have no obligation to fund their stay and education. If they want to come, they should apply through the regular channels, get a visum and go from there.
But the way the current asylum policy is set up, is they are taken in in Greece or Italy, can travel further into Europe and then stay for months, use multiple identities and make use of services and resources that should go to the actual war refugees.
And for the refugees from Syria, we are letting them make a dangerous journey on which they can die and are vulnerable to abuse. So that process is faulty as well.
Nope, first of all he has to serve his time here then he will be deported.
Yeah I started reading up a bit as soon as I asked that question.
As for that dangerous road.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...l-harassment-on-their-journey-through-europe/
This is an Amnesty report of the tamer sexual harassment women face as they try to make it into Europe. These women actually survived.
I couldn't believe it when I heard what Canada was doing. I was ready for an onslaught of stupid and or racist propaganda to even take root of Canada, they can afford 20k people. So far I've been spared any of that. Ignorance or Canada being better? I decide to believe that Canada is better.
What article?
I don't think I can link it here? it's the most recent one about the murder. All you will get is
archnemesis
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You can access the article from Sweden if you use "co.uk" instead of ".com".
Doesn't work for me, worked with a proxy.
Onlinehero
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Showing sympathy for one (actually two) individuals --> always support migrants and islam.Boss★Moogle;193482458 said:
You seem balanced.
Ironically, considering what swedish prisons are like he will have better living conditions there than in a refugee camp.
entremet
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Creepy. You guys are getting censored?
DM is redirecting Swedish IPs to a 404 page, but why? I don't know.
Miles Quaritch
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Swedish IPs are doing you all a favour if they are blocking the Daily Mail.
Miles Quaritch
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Spot the fifteen year old in this picture.
So you're saying this black teen might be older than he claims to be?
Yeah, I just read the article (from Sweden, for the record). All you need to do is replace the stars with dailymail and co.uk. Censorship and ip-blocks my ass lol, the only "censorship" is the GAF ban.
The "article" (I use that term unwillingly, it's one of the most badly written things I've read in a while) is disgusting. The headline is completely inaccurate - the police weren't attacked and sure as hell didn't run for their lives. The article does a horrible job at actually describing what happened, probably to let the reader's imagination run wild. It quotes RT, which is always a bad idea. And it tops it off by including exploitative pictures of the girl that was murdered for no apparent reason beyond showing some cleavage.
Fuck the Daily Mail. Linking to it is banned for a reason.
EDIT: haha, forgot that GAF even treats writing the url in plain text as a banned link. Fixed.
You can read this article ? "EXCLUSIVE -The city destroyed by migration: Inside the Swedish town where armed gangs patrol the streets, crime has exploded and a beautiful social worker's murder has shocked Europe"
What ISP?
Canada accepts ~0.7% of its population in immigrants each year. An extra 50k is a jump up from the normal ~250k, but it's not unmanageable. About 1 in 5 Canadians were not born in Canada.
We'll be fine.
Caipirinha
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Or vice versa but only one of those is going to make headlines and be used for political gain.
Oh, I thought people were talking about the article Henkka linked. I can't read the "city detroyed by migration" article either but seeing how I can read everything else on the site I assume the Mail pulled it. The fragments I've read from other sites sound stupid as hell though. Mölndal has been destroyed now? I live in Gothenburg and that's certainly news to me.
Maybe it's the Mail that's using an IP blocker to prevent Swedes from pointing that out. Who knows. Don't think for a second it's something being done from our side.
EDIT: Yeah, that's actually what's going on. What the hell. Bypassed it by using the Hola plugin and pretending I was from the UK. What the hell, that's skeezy even for the Mail. Can confirm that the article is garbage anyway though.
DM is blocking it, maybe they're expecting pressure from Swedish lawyers or something.
Miles Quaritch
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MisterFalcon
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Yes, this is a well known issue. In Holland there have been several thousand cases where the age in an immigrant claiming to be under 16 was investigated using an X-ray of the collarbone. Between 2001 and 2007 2133 out of 5527 cases were found to be adults and 1734 were proven to be minors. The rest was in various stages of uncertainty but tending towards being older.
Yepp <3
If any lawyer has anything against that it would be for some of the pictures being credited wrong. As in probably not allowed to use them since they aren't from DM
It should be worth noting that those tests are highly flawed, on occassion verging on pseudoscience, They are completely incapable of reaching the degree of certainty necessary to stand up in a court of law, but lots of countries use them anyway. There is a marigin of error of 2-4 years in older teenagers which is obviously unacceptable when we're talking about testing 15-17 year olds.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21428644-300-with-no-paper-trail-can-science-determine-age/
The Swedish Medical Association is against using the techniques unless where absolutely necessary.
http://slf.se/Aktuellt/Rekommendationerna-for-aldersbestamning-av-barn-behover-ses-over/
Of course, because Canada has the advantage of screening all these people and choosing families from war torn regions. You will most likely receive people who are grateful for the opportunity of living in a peaceful society.
That is infinitely better than receiving mostly frustrated young males who are looking for better economic opportunities (who then find out that Europe is not exactly the best place to build a future when you have no language skills or a proper education). Without a nice buffer zone, the Atlantic ocean, the discourse in Canada would be somewhat different right now.
Hahaha, I love the contrast between the pictures and the text underneath them.
Some teenagers chilling "RUINED!!!"
People laughing "FEAR!"
Girls laughing "TROUBLE!!"
I wanna go there
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