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Remember Rob Zombie's Atrociously Bad Halloween Remake?

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ChoklitReign said:
I wanted to make a thread about this. :(

He says The Blob is no longer a giant jelly so here's my take on what it is now: The Blob is a morbidly obese professional wrestler fallen from grace who now kills innocent people by suffocating them with his giant belly while stabbing them in the back. If he does that I'll pay to see it.

Correction: The Blob is a morbidly obese professional hillbilly wrestler who now kills trailer trash by suffocating them with his giant belly while stabbing them in the back.

edit: The first Blob remake was excellent. When that guy got pulled down the sink, fucking sweet.
 
Did people actually call the TCM remake scary?

It's as scary as an episode of Scooby Doo. I guess it's an okay remake but theres nothing scary about it, the original was far more creepy.
 
timmy01 said:
just to be clear, the TCM remake is where the guy gets skinned alive with the girl watching, right? or am I thinking of the original?

ugghh.. been too long..


The original was a joke. The cast was horrible and nobody dies for quite a while. Then they all die in like a 10 minute span except the main chick. Then its like 40 minutes of her running through the woods like leather face walks after her.

The remake wasn't much better.
 
RBelong2Us said:
Did people actually call the TCM remake scary?

It's as scary as an episode of Scooby Doo. I guess it's an okay remake but theres nothing scary about it, the original was far more creepy.

Tell me about it. I feel asleep halfway through the movie when I saw it in theaters.
 
Okay, I'm back from seeing this and for whatever it's worth I thought it was leagues better than his first Halloween go-around. I really liked what he did with the psychology, the acting was good from the main characters, the cinematography and art direction was actually pretty fucking fantastic during some scenes and this is just going to depend on what you think about the characters, but it struck some genuine emotion with me toward the end.

So yeah I thought it was quite great. It's EXTREMELY FUCKING BIZARRE, more like Halloween meets Silent Hill. Oh hey look, that's probably why I loved it so much. It's a fucked up movie, the gore/carnage is brutal, it had a better Halloween holiday atmosphere, and the opening 15 minutes or so were amazing. It isn't a scary movie, but it has some pretty cool jump scares, and some of the quieter moments are effective.

All in all, not what you want from Halloween if you're mindset on the opinion that Halloween shouldn't go into character profiling and make Michael Myers more realistic or whatever, but as a standalone take on the story I thought it was great.

And no, I didn't say the TCM remake is scary. But the original isn't either.
 
Hmmm I kinda liked the first Halloween Zombie did, but was not crazy at all about this one. There was some good ideas but overall it just felt so flat and somewhat pointless as it retreads the original just with a different look.

The "twist" was also quite predictable.

He really deviated big time from the Halloween feel with this movie and obviously was creating his own thing with this. The original I liked as while it was somewhat of a shot for shot remake in the later half, it did give it a new spin, this new movie though felt like it was something completely different.

I don't know if it was just me or it felt like a whole lot of editing was done on this as it seemed rushed and kinda sloppy.
 
Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:
edit: The first Blob remake was excellent. When that guy got pulled down the sink, fucking sweet.


yeah- Frank Darabont (Shawshank Redemption, The Mist) wrote The Blob remake and Chuck Russell directed.

GREAT remake. Pretty brutal. Most 'main' characters meet horrible, horrible ends. :lol
Kevin Dillon has a horrible mullet in that. In fact, rewatching it a couple months ago made me realize just how god-damn ugly he was in that movie.


I expect Zombie to come up short again. Way short.
 
So, yeah, I really liked this. Zombie went in such a WEIRD direction here that it's almost incomparable with the first movie -- I can't believe he got away with making a big franchise sequel this strange, to be honest. Sadly, ticket sales will absolutely plummet after what I imagine will be a very strong opening weekend because, frankly, this isn't what the general public wants in a horror movie.

The thing I was expecting to dislike -- Myers' visions of his mother and the implied psychic link between himself and Laurie -- turned out to be one of my favorite aspects. It's made clear from the very start that it'll be the driving force throughout, as if to warn those in the audience anticipating yet another basic retread of the same slasher. This is unquestionably a very different take on the material that fans are going to hate, and I'd even have a hard time recommending the movie simply because most people won't be able to let go of prior expectations.

Anyway, Michael's mommy issues make for an intriguing bridge between humanizing the character and taking us into full-blown supernatural territory, along with his traditional over-powered near-invincibility (which, oddly enough, few people took issue with until now), and watching him lumber on towards inevitability, slaughtering anything that gets in his way, while being allowed occasional glimpses of his actual face turns a killer into something of a sympathetic monster.

There are a number of unexpectedly gorgeous shots and the score is quite good; on the other hand, the script is rather shit and I thought Laurie was a wincingly cliché wad of irritating angst.
 
Awesome, thanks Hota! Sounds like another typical Zombie outing, with his writing getting in the way of all the many other things he does so well. Really looking forward to seeing this on Monday, especially given now that so many reviews have flat out called it weird/bizarre/etc., which is always intriguing.
 
Yeah, just go into it knowing full well that this is a Zombie product, and you've got to take the good with the bad. He lets his own personality into the movies too heavily for my liking (I suspect another director would've had Laurie in a distinctly different and potentially more likable state) and there's more MTV-style editing than there needs to be (read: any at all)... Not sure how I feel about what he does with the Loomis character -- he's basically a fame-hungry asshole in H2, but at least it gives the opportunity for an amusing Weird Al cameo.

Going by what you've said in this thread, Solo, I imagine you'll like it; the other folks... heh, probably not. :)
 
Tbf the original Halloween is one of the best horrors ever made, doing a remake was a mistake if he'd of made a sequel it would have gone down a whole lot better with fans. Showing young michael was a big mistake imo.

However im still looking forward to this one.
 
Jal said:
Tbf the original Halloween is one of the best horrors ever made, doing a remake was a mistake if he'd of made a sequel it would have gone down a whole lot better with fans. Showing young michael was a big mistake imo.

See, I disagree with this. Without discounting Carpenter's film in any way, I'd much rather see remakes that are willing to step in with their own take on the source material instead of slapping nothing more than some fresh teen faces and a glossy new look onto a tired idea or yet another lunkhead sequel trying desperately to build off an extremely shaky foundation -- did you see Resurrection? That's what you'd rather have a continuation of?

Zombie's Halloween was a two movie arc and it's finished now. There'll be plenty more Halloween movies to come, it's too much of an iconic franchise to die off, but fans will never be happy: they complain when endless sequels cheapen it, they complain when a remake happens.
 
Cosmic Bus said:
did you see Resurrection? That's what you'd rather have a continuation of?

The opening sequence of Resurrection was more scary than anything in the Halloween remake, as for the rest of the film i would have to agree with you.

The problem i have with the remake is not that Zombie tries to do something different with the franchise, its because he explains away Michael Myers making which removes any tension from the film.

BTW, the psychic link thing is taken from Halloween 4 & 5 which Danielle Harris also starred in.
 
Coming from someone who enjoyed the remake Halloween II sucked!

What an awful movie, should have seen Final Destination 3d.
 
.hacked said:
Coming from someone who enjoyed the remake Halloween II sucked!

What an awful movie, should have seen Final Destination 3d.

I've seen both and no matter how bad you hate this movie, The Final Destination is even worse. It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen, not just the worst FD movie, but along the lines of literally the worst films of all time. It's that bad. At least Halloween II, love it or hate it, does have a story and character development as well as amazing cinematography. TFD is a Looney Tunes cartoon with gimmicky 3D.
 
Ugh. I can't wait for this 3D gimmick to pass. I mean yes 3D is for the future and it has come a long way since last time, but it definitely needs a lot more time in the oven first.
 
Flying_Phoenix said:
Ugh. I can't wait for this 3D gimmick to pass. I mean yes 3D is for the future and it has come a long way since last time, but it definitely needs a lot more time in the oven first.

The worst offense about the 3D, at least in TFD, is the fact that it's so overdone that it's ridiculous. The gore shots... the computer effects blended with the 3D is the most awful looking thing I've seen in a film in a long long time. That opening car crash scene is so ludicrous that it will make you feel violently ill. The fact that TFD is getting better reviews than H2 makes me rather confused, as critics are picking an empty, ugly film with no plot and cardboard characters with terrible acting over something with way more substance and much, much better filmmaking all around. I'm not saying H2 is perfect, but after seeing both films this weekend, H2 is definitely what I would call more of a "critics film" than TFD.

And of course people are going to say that both of them sucked. That's cool, whatever, but it's a pure and simple fact that Halloween II beats the fucking shit out of Final Destination.
 
brandonh83 said:
I've seen both and no matter how bad you hate this movie, The Final Destination is even worse. It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen, not just the worst FD movie, but along the lines of literally the worst films of all time. It's that bad. At least Halloween II, love it or hate it, does have a story and character development as well as amazing cinematography. TFD is a Looney Tunes cartoon with gimmicky 3D.


Thanks for the heads up, look like we will be catching the wood stock movie instead :D
 
Saw Halloween II last night and found it to be atrocious. I nearly walked out a few times, and this is coming from someone who actually enjoyed the remake. That seemed to at least have some sense of purpose and continuity. This movie suffers from poor directing/editing, for example jumping from an important revelation to the silly Weird Al interview. While I enjoyed the segments focusing on Loomis (mainly for McDowell's delightful overacting), they seemed tacked on, inconsequential, and too much of a soapbox for Zombie's views on Hollywood culture.

The cinematography had its moments, but they were weighed down by heaps of nausea-inducing shakycam and cheesy slow-motion. The movie was also lit so dark that practically every kill was obscured in some manner. Don't go to this movie if you enjoy fun and innovative kills. They all boil down to Michael repeatedly stabbing his victims while grunting like the Frankenstein monster. At least the sound effects were brutal. I suppose they'll try to rope us in for an unrated dvd cut in a few months.

The movie also suffers from a cast of mostly unredeemable characters, save for one, who doesn't get enough screen time. The rest are the usual Zombie white trash spitting out "fuck" every other word and sometimes more. The much touted "psychological" aspect comes off as amateur and tiresome throughout the movie. There's nothing that will cause you to reflect on what makes Michael so fucked up, as in the remake. Everything is spelled out for you in the opening quote, so you can take your thinking cap off right after that.

I know that sounds really negative, but that's my honest assessment. The movie was shit plain and simple, and I loathe to think what Zombie has planned for The Blob.
 
Kinda loved it, kinda hated it.

Loomis should have
seen mommy and kid Michael
at the end. Would have made the visions pay off in a classic WTF moment.
 
I didn't hatethe first film. I just really don't have any interest in seeing this one. I still think Rob Zombie will deliver some great movies at some point. I remember seeing an interview with him, Bruce Campbell, and Roger Corman where he came across as very knowledgeable. He has been improving greatly behind the camera but pretty much all of his films contain awful scripts.
 
NY Times made a good point about how Zombie's first Halloween starts off with new material then goes into remake mode, while his sequel starts with the remake portion and then veers off into the new material. I thought that was a neat observation.

I liked how the ending was the only time we heard the classic theme. Also like that the ending was pretty much the same as
Halloween 4
.

I hope that there is a better director's cut, because so much of the film is interesting, but it doesn't quite gel in it's current form.
 
Yes much of it felt like it got cut out. And we of course see some extra footage and dialogue in the trailer that didn't make it in.

As for Zombie going with a sequel instead of the remake route, no. The Halloween series really turned horrible after 2, only found 4 to be enjoyable at all. Though H2O was ok, the series just turned out so bad especially with part 5 and 6 and the garbage they injected into the franchise.

I enjoyed the original remake as it wasn't a pure remake and did something new unlike most remakes nowadays that just retread the same material with a shiny new coat. Still really having a hard time coming to grips with how 2 start out... perhaps a nice directors cut with bunch of extra footage will change my mind. Stuff just stood out too much like the strip club massacre which felt pointless.

What did people think of them changing Myers look in this from the iconic overalls?
 
Halloween II is a fucking bizarre movie, both thematically AND structurally. The nudity and language are toned down big time from the 2007 film, but then the gore is ramped up about 10 times. The plot is totally non-sensical, and Malcolm McDowell hams it up big time, and there are some not fully-formed twists thrown in within the final 5 minutes. Then the best scene in the film ends up being a 10 minute long dream sequence, and Michael Myers is like a murderous nomad Jesus. But it just seems to work.

I cant really say how I felt about it yet, but its either really bad, or really intriguingly brilliant. We need to see the director's cut before I can really say. Oh, and it has some of the best cinematography Ive seen in the genre. I think Ill check this out a second time.
 
Indeed. My impression of it is more favorable that not. Im going to give it a second theatrical showing just for the experience, then wait for the DC to hit home video.
 
I don't know if I would call it flat out BRILLIANT, but I would say that more thought was put into it than most were expecting and the film was very well-made. But come on, it's not really bad! Just settle with "it was good" and move on :D
 
What I most like about it is that Zombie refuses to do a by-the-numbers sequel. It is clear that he does not want this film to be able fit into the old chain of sequels.
 
Count Dookkake said:
What I most like about it is that Zombie refuses to do a by-the-numbers sequel. It is clear that he does not want this film to be able fit into the old chain of sequels.

It's just along my style of horror. It had atmosphere. It had Argento-like colors. It was actually interested in its characters and what they're feeling. The hospital sequence might have been a dream, but to Laurie it's very real. I mean she named her stuffed bear after the security guard. It may have not really happened, but its a very vivid nightmare, probably one of many. Therefore I think it's very effective, real or not. Nightmares suck, and that one causes her to wake up screaming and crying. She probably dreads nightfall.

It had great photography, good performances, throwbacks to old-school horror, no crappy CG at all, nightmarish and bizarre dream sequences, and what I believe to be an awesome ending. It's not perfect, I could have lived without that coroner cursing for 10 minutes while Michael gets out of the van, the new kid that played Michael was pretty boring and the death scenes given to
the two new Laurie friends were stale compared to what comes before
, and a few more things, but compared to horror movies we've been getting, Halloween II is like Schindler's List.
 
Didn't have enough "cool" scenes for my liking. The only one I can recall is when
the hicks severely beat him with a bat and tire iron and leave him for dead, only to have him stand back up and kill them.
That was cool.

The psychological stuff was way out there and amateurish imo, as someone noted. Overall, I felt it was substantially worse than the first remake, which I liked, but didn't love.
 
brandonh83 said:
It had great photography, good performances, throwbacks to old-school horror, no crappy CG at all, nightmarish and bizarre dream sequences, and what I believe to be an awesome ending.

The ending was the "not fully formed" twist I was referring to. Because as I see it, there are two possible scenarios here.

1.
Everything in the film happened, save for Laurie seeing her mother and a young Michael, which was just Laurie losing her mind and having Michael's warped vision shared with her.
2.
Nothing in the film happened, save for the final scene, and it was ALL in the head of Laurie, who had been driven completely batshit insane from the events of the first movie.

My beef is not with either scenario, but rather with Zombie introducing the elements so late and it not being clear what he was going for. Im sure the DC will clarify this.
 
Hated, hated this, on my first watch. Saw it again and loved it. It's much better than the remake and it's one fucked up movie.
 
I'm going to say it's #1. I present to you a huge-ass post, all in spoiler marking!

There is one big thing about the story that throws a twist in everyone's assumptions though, and that is the fact that Laurie and Michael share a mental connection, ala Michael and Jamie Lloyd in Halloween 5. That was a nice narrative homage, IMO. So where do we separate vision from reality? Personally, I'm going to say that it's as simple as this: Laurie shoots Michael at the end of the first one, Brackett finds her walking down the street, they load Michael into a van and Laurie and Annie go to Haddonfield Memorial Hospital, get treated, Laurie moves into the Brackett's place, gets a job at the coffee shop, sees a psychiatric counselor, and has frequently occurring nightmares of Michael coming for her in various scenarios. The most vivid one being the hospital, as while she was there she was probably scared to death that Michael was going to get her there. But he doesn't. So she has nightmares about it instead. Nothing happens until a year later when Michael has gotten so far beyond mental competency that he is seeing some bizarre visions of himself as a child and his mother.

Halloween rolls back around the next year. As the psychiatrist told Laurie, Halloween seems to be a trigger point. It's when Michael killed his family which is what causes the relation to the mentality behind it being Halloween. So, when Halloween comes the following year, Michael justifies going back after Laurie again by having hallucinations of his mother telling him that he needs to bring the family together. He hacks and slashes his way back to Haddonfield's city limits, starting at the Rabbit in Red which is where his mother is being put on display as the "mother of Michael Myers." That probably doesn't make him happy so he kills the crap out of everyone there. He then takes Laurie's friends out during and after the Phantom Jam, finally gets her, and tries to fulfill his visions at the old shed.

But here's the kicker. And this is what makes any explanation plausible-- Laurie sees the same visions Michael does. Loomis' big plan to rescue Laurie failed partially due to the fact that he thought he could just go in there and get her to come out, hopefully without Michael flipping and killing them. It was a long shot. But what screwed his plan up is the fact that Laurie was convinced that she was being held down in place by young Michael. None of this was happening though at all. So, in the end, I think it was just a culmination of everything that has happened to her, in both the 1st and 2nd. Loomis revealing to the entire public that Laurie is Michael's sister and divulging private information about her life to everyone. Her foster parents' death. Her nightmares. Annie dying in her arms. What I think did it is the fact that, at the very end, even after she stabs the crap out of him, Michael raises the knife to kill her but doesn't. I know he was "dying" but if he wanted her dead he would have killed her. And then she's all like "I love you brother" which carried over, mentally, from her hallucination that her mother was forcing her to say "I love you mommy." I think all of this, combined with everything she's went through in just a year's time, sent her into a psychotic state. It wasn't thoroughly explained, but I think Rob Zombie meant for viewers to realize all the extensive levels of traumatic damage Laurie is experiencing, and be able to rationally work out the reasoning behind the ending.

I won't try to pretend that I know for fact that it wasn't all in her head. What I love about horror films, when done right, is the ability to have conversations such as this, and it's a huge reason why I loved this one. But I do think everything that was shown in the film actually happened except for the hospital attack sequence and of course the visions of Deborah Myers and young Michael. I think everything else was indeed real.
 
Wow, nice write up man! That certainly seems plausible. I also have come up with a third scenario:

1.
Everything in the film happened, save for Laurie seeing her mother and a young Michael, which was just Laurie losing her mind and having Michael's warped vision shared with her.
2.
Nothing in the film happened, save for the final scene, and it was ALL in the head of Laurie, who had been driven completely batshit insane from the events of the first movie.
3.
Everything in the film happened, but it was Laurie who killed everyone. Michael is and has been dead since last Halloween, and Laurie's psychosis is being manifested through Michael.
 
Solo said:
Wow, nice write up man! That certainly seems plausible. I also have come up with a third scenario:

1.
Everything in the film happened, save for Laurie seeing her mother and a young Michael, which was just Laurie losing her mind and having Michael's warped vision shared with her.
2.
Nothing in the film happened, save for the final scene, and it was ALL in the head of Laurie, who had been driven completely batshit insane from the events of the first movie.
3.
Everything in the film happened, but it was Laurie who killed everyone. Michael is and has been dead since last Halloween, and Laurie's psychosis is being manifested through Michael.

Nix out #3. Rob Zombie said that he couldn't imagine a
90lbs. girl killing people
:lol
But #1 and #2 are fair game.
 
Hmm damn now I don't remember but could be major clue onto the ending but.....

when Laurie comes out of the shack with Micheal's mask on, does anyone for sure remember if the mask was the same one Michael wore in the movie, or was it actually a perfectly intact mask? Reason why is because I swear the mask she came out in was whole and not damaged like the one Michael wore, as we see in the movie that almost half the mask was torn off showing much of Michael's face. I can't remember for certain but I think I remember the mask being whole while on Laurie..... that would mean that it was all in her head unless there was some huge fuck up with the masks, though they made a point of showing that Michaels mask was torn up. Don't remember for certain though and can't find any images or footage to support this, maybe others remember?
.
 
BattleMonkey said:
Hmm damn now I don't remember but could be major clue onto the ending but.....

when Laurie comes out of the shack with Micheal's mask on, does anyone for sure remember if the mask was the same one Michael wore in the movie, or was it actually a perfectly intact mask? Reason why is because I swear the mask she came out in was whole and not damaged like the one Michael wore, as we see in the movie that almost half the mask was torn off showing much of Michael's face. I can't remember for certain but I think I remember the mask being whole while on Laurie..... that would mean that it was all in her head unless there was some huge fuck up with the masks, though they made a point of showing that Michaels mask was torn up. Don't remember for certain though and can't find any images or footage to support this, maybe others remember?
.

Good point. I've seen it twice already so I don't know if I'll be seeing again until it's in my PS3. I honestly didn't pay any attention to that. The shots obscured it a bit, it was hard to get a good look at it if I recall.
 
The mask is pretty clearly shown at the end, just don't remember it's state at this point. My mind is telling me it looked one way, but it could be my head playing tricks on me.
 
There's a shot of
her kneeling down on the ground with it on, and then she removes it
but I didn't really get a good look. Or maybe, like I said I just wasn't paying much attention because I was more like "whoa" during that part :lol
 
Well
when she walks out of the shack it's a pretty slow long sequence of her walking out with the helicopter lights and such on her and then her falling to the ground. It was pretty clear scene especially as the masks hair was standing up pretty much and not obscuring the mask. But I don't remember because originally I thought simply that Laurie yanked the mask off Michael and walked out, but now with what others are saying it's making me remember the scene with a different mask which would indicated others in this thread are correct that it was all in her head. Zombie might have ripped the mask in the first place to give us this clue at the end, but I didn't realize it to notice.

I kind of want to see it again now to check that scene or if it's my mind playing tricks on me from young Micheal wearing the mask in the first movie.
 
Solo said:
Got a second viewing in and you know... I rather enjoyed it. Much better than my first viewing.

The Final Destination made more money so the Weinsteins have greenlit a Halloween 3D which will be a sequel to Halloween II but with no Rob Zombie. So basically whatever wrong Zombie might have dished out with the franchise, 3D is about to kill it for good. Because that's exactly what people who hated RZ's films want-- a 3D gimmick. I mean they don't want substance or craft or anything because 3D is a hit these days. As long as that butcher knife is coming right at me I don't really care about anything else!

Fuck. Fuck me.
 
brandonh83 said:
The Final Destination made more money so the Weinsteins have greenlit a Halloween 3D which will be a sequel to Halloween II but with no Rob Zombie. So basically whatever wrong Zombie might have dished out with the franchise, 3D is about to kill it for good. Because that's exactly what people who hated RZ's films want-- a 3D gimmick. I mean they don't want substance or craft or anything because 3D is a hit these days. As long as that butcher knife is coming right at me I don't really care about anything else!

Fuck. Fuck me.

Damn.

I would love to see a Rob Zombie Halloween 3D that goes totally nuts with the dream imagery, the garish colors and the giant Myers. Bonus points if Myers's mask fixation can be tied into a plot involving the Silver Shamrock company.

But no Zombie... Tears.
 
Been posted in the box office thread, but worth noting here too. The Halloween franchise is once again set to go through a long period of suck. The next movie is being rushed out for next summer, is going to be one of those crappy 3D horror movies, is going to be more "traditional" (read: formulaic), and is going to be directed by the guy who did My Bloody Valentine 3D.

Welp.
 
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