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People seems to still like sport games.So people get sick of a game if it gets rehashed again and again, year after year?
Thank you.
People seems to still like sport games.So people get sick of a game if it gets rehashed again and again, year after year?
Thank you.
I don't want resident evil to be a goddamn shooter first. I want it to be a survival horror game with decent shooting mechanics. Now it's looking like gears of resident duty 6.
It's this notion that every game, every franchise has to be a super success like COD and their games should be formed around that idea that bugs me.
I should note that I'm a COD fan. MW3 is my least liked one by far, but I'm a fan.
People seems to still like sport games.
the problem here is as you stated it showed what "appeals to everybody" and it just so happens that what that is, leads to developers making very similar games. That's the problem here.The RE you want is long dead and COD had nothing to do with it lol. Companies want successful games, again COD had nothing to do with that. All the series did was show what kind of numbers are possible if you create something that appeals to almost everybody. Maximum number of satisfied gamers isn't a bad goal for any project.
People seems to still like sport games.
Even though sports games are actually rehashed nobody seems to care. EA sells the same exact game every year of a generation... then do it again when the new consoles hit.
Imagine there were a group of guys and one day they decided to go sell their shit, and everyone in the world bought it thinking it was the best shit ever and the guys made more money than anyone had ever dreamed. Now imagine everyone else saw this and thought "hey I'm full of shit, why don't I make that kind of money". So then they all started selling their shit and then suddenly everybody is just buying and selling nothing but shit and the world is covered in it.
the problem here is as you stated it showed what "appeals to everybody" and it just so happens that what that is, leads to developers making very similar games. That's the problem here.
Why does every game have to be a success like COD? A big budget spectacle. There's nothing wrong to aspire for more but trying to surf the same wave as COD is lame to me. Instead of adding things that COD has to make your game better, make your gamer better using what you've already built and expand further.
And you say COD had nothing to do with it when capcom has specifically cited it.
COD is influencing a lot of things, and IMO it's for the worse. And like I said, I enjoy COD.
Indeed. I actually look at CoD games almost like an e-sport, seeing how many people who play it for year after year.Even though sports games are actually rehashed nobody seems to care. EA sells the same exact game every year of a generation... then do it again when the new consoles hit.
CoD games are not "copy, pasted, and rushed out" if that is what you're saying? It takes two years to make each CoD game, a lot of work goes into each game. Improvements/tweaks, new campaign, new maps, new weapons etc. etc.But not every sports game gets "copy, pasted, and rushed out". Ones that do well are usually viewed as being good improvements from their predecessor. See "NBA 2K11".
To be honest, sports games make more changes to gameplay on a yearly basis than most games of other genres with most doing nothing more than just changing up the game's story for each iteration.
Right on. I wonder how many of those same people also "predicted" that Black Ops would sell less than MW2.The people predicting the franchise peaked with Black Ops had no idea. They were pretty much right by luck and guessing instead of using any sort of analysis.
RE4 was much much more survival horror than RE5. RE4 was actually quite a comfortable blend between the 2 ideas of survival horror and shooter. RE5 tipped the scaled to the latter, now RE6 is looking like full blown shooter.Can you give a list of these very similar games? If such a list exists, are there not alternatives in each given genre?
Games are expensive to make. If they're to make a flashy AAA game then it better appeal to a lot of people. Again, adding elements that people enjoy isn't a bad thing such as the prestige and rpg leveling system.
You want a survival horror RE... RE4 wasn't that and had nothing to do with COD.
CoD games are not "copy, pasted, and rushed out" if that is what you're saying? It takes two years to make each CoD game, a lot of work goes into each game. Improvements/tweaks, new campaign, new maps, new weapons etc. etc.
Ah ok, like that. Yeah, i didnt mean to say that sport games dont improve for each new game. I just ment to say that the basic gameplay is the same (which makes perfectly sense), yet people buy the game each year. People still buy the games because they want the "smaller" improvements and new rooster of players etc.. There are changes to CoD games as well, so it's not the same game each year, so i understand why people keep buying those games as well.No I was just stating what many gamers who don't play sports games think.
But not every sports game gets "copy, pasted, and rushed out". Ones that do well are usually viewed as being good improvements from their predecessor. See "NBA 2K11".
To be honest, sports games make more changes to gameplay on a yearly basis than most games of other genres with most doing nothing more than just changing up the game's story for each iteration.
It is already back Well, not sticks and stones due to no crossbow in the game, but "One In The Chamber" and "Gun Game" are back. There is also a new version of Gun Game where you cycle through 6 weapons three times.put sticks and stones back in the game and gun game and it will sale as much as black ops.
It is already back Well, not sticks and stones due to no crossbow in the game, but "One In The Chamber" and "Gun Game" are back. There is also a new version of Gun Game where you cycle through 6 weapons three times.
It is already back Well, not sticks and stones due to no crossbow in the game, but "One In The Chamber" and "Gun Game" are back. There is also a new version of Gun Game where you cycle through 6 weapons three times.
put sticks and stones back in the game and gun game and it will sale as much as black ops.
Indeed. I actually look at CoD games almost like an e-sport, seeing how many people who play it for year after year.
CoD games are not "copy, pasted, and rushed out" if that is what you're saying? It takes two years to make each CoD game, a lot of work goes into each game. Improvements/tweaks, new campaign, new maps, new weapons etc. etc.
I don't think anyone really thought it'd be sustainable for much longer.
It'll still sell a lot for the next few iterations though. Assuming it doesn't just immediately crash.
Just caught your edit. Yeah, i was only referring to MW3, no idea if BO2 has the crossbowI thought you were referring to BO2 and I was about to be upset.
Yep, Infected is pretty fun in my opinion. I dont know if it was like this at lauch, i didnt notice these modes before maybe ~1 month ago, but i havnt payed much attention to the modes outside "standard matches" (or something like that).And infected. One good thing MW3 has done is put those games in community playlists instead of separating them into private matches or wager matches. I don't believe it was like that at launch.
I disagree. COD gives new campaign, mp maps, guns, perks, game modes, and various other gameplay tweaks with each release. That's a lot more than you'll find with the typical, if not every, sports series. Sure, they don't make drastic gameplay changes but it's a somewhat realistic shoother and there's not much you can do that'll still keep it in the genre. They can't add overshields and jet packs like you can get away with in a game like Halo.
RE4 was much much more survival horror than RE5. RE4 was actually quite a comfortable blend between the 2 ideas of survival horror and shooter. RE5 tipped the scaled to the latter, now RE6 is looking like full blown shooter.
Name games similar to COD? Almost every single shooter that has come out post-COD success (this includes 3rd person shooters), they all have very similar mechanics because god forbid someone deviate from it.
Once again, I'm not getting into list wars, I don't see how you can deny that it has influenced many many games, even some in different genres. Even Square looked to it for FF13.
My overall point is, what COD has shown developers is that taking risks or doing something new and innovative is pointless when a game like COD exists and shows that you can get away by doing what they do over and over. So what do they do? They include some or many of the core machanics and overall style that COD has into their games, and then they hope for the same outcome, and if they get it, you know what the next step is? Yearly releases of the same shit over and over.
I don't blame COD, I'm a fan, I don't blame the devs of COD, but I just don't see what world you live in where you can't notice the impact the game has had on the types of games being made, the types of budgets being used to match the spectacle, and so on and so forth.
Sports games usually add one big new gameplay feature, a ton of gameplay tweaks as well as improvements to graphics and audio and the addition of a new game mode and/or the revamping of a exisiting game mode each year.
Don't really see how that's more than what the popular sports games do.
Edit: just read your above post. You're still assuming the people who rate it have played the game.
Maybe not, but if players are becoming less satisfied with each yearly entry I'd really hope Activision would step back and realize too frequent installments helped kill two formerly strong franchises of theirs -- although Tony Hawk and GH were asking for more money because of those plastic peripherals.
Yeah, i didnt mean to say that improvements werent done in sports games. I just ment to say that i understand why people buy sport games each year, and i understand why people buy a CoD game each year There are some types of games that people dont get tired of even if they are "the same" and gets released one time each year.In Fifa's defence, it has gotten better with each passing year.
The thing is, I honestly think Activision is probably in the right here. Nothing -- certainly not biennial installments -- was going to extend COD's reign indefinitely, and as it is Activision will have made billions of dollars over probably 8-9 years from the franchise before it dwindles to a historical curiosity. What they should be doing more is worrying about where the next franchise will come from, not trying to prop this one up.
RE4 was much much more survival horror than RE5. RE4 was actually quite a comfortable blend between the 2 ideas of survival horror and shooter. RE5 tipped the scaled to the latter, now RE6 is looking like full blown shooter.
Name games similar to COD? Almost every single shooter that has come out post-COD success (this includes 3rd person shooters), they all have very similar mechanics because god forbid someone deviate from it.
Once again, I'm not getting into list wars, I don't see how you can deny that it has influenced many many games, even some in different genres. Even Square looked to it for FF13.
My overall point is, what COD has shown developers is that taking risks or doing something new and innovative is pointless when a game like COD exists and shows that you can get away by doing what they do over and over. So what do they do? They include some or many of the core machanics and overall style that COD has into their games, and then they hope for the same outcome, and if they get it, you know what the next step is? Yearly releases of the same shit over and over.
I don't blame COD, I'm a fan, I don't blame the devs of COD, but I just don't see what world you live in where you can't notice the impact the game has had on the types of games being made, the types of budgets being used to match the spectacle, and so on and so forth.
The thing is, I honestly think Activision is probably in the right here. Nothing -- certainly not biennial installments -- was going to extend COD's reign indefinitely, and as it is Activision will have made billions of dollars over probably 8-9 years from the franchise before it dwindles to a historical curiosity. What they should be doing more is worrying about where the next franchise will come from, not trying to prop this one up.
It's too early to say whether there's a significant decline coming, especially considering how volatile the gaming industry seems to be nowadays. The best anyone can say is that the series has probably reached its ceiling already.
So, like, when I was busy researching for a post about just how aggressively shitty Mass Effect 3 actually is, I discovered that there's actually one game with a worse critic-to-user gap*: Modern Warfare 3.
*That is, what you get when you subtract the user percentage score on Metacritic from the Metascore.
I don't understand why people keeping pulling up Skylanders.
It didn't do astronomical numbers. Can someone fill me in on what I'm missing?
I don't understand why people keeping pulling up Skylanders.
It didn't do astronomical numbers. Can someone fill me in on what I'm missing?
It's not that some people are desperate, I just think the majority (myself included) want to see something new.
When people learned it was actually balanced it sold better.Was surprised BO topped MW2 in sales as the internet hype wasn't nearly as high for that game.
It's different. Most of the developers seem to take elements out of the game instead of adding new ones. Look at Ninja Gaiden 3 for example.So... they try to take elements that people enjoy about CoD and put it in their games. How is that a bad thing? Like I said to he other guy, there is still a variety of different shooters.
The series doesn´t have to die, but I want it to be much less succesful. The hysterical sales figures for it have resulted in way too many developers and publishers shifting focus to trying to ride on the CoD wave. I know that this industry will always follow trends since so few dares to be leaders, but this is one trend that does absolutely nothing for me. CoD success just isn´t good for me.
I love how these days, classic = >1 years old
I disagree. COD gives new campaign, mp maps, guns, perks, game modes, and various other gameplay tweaks with each release. That's a lot more than you'll find with the typical, if not every, sports series. Sure, they don't make drastic gameplay changes but it's a somewhat realistic shoother and there's not much you can do that'll still keep it in the genre. They can't add overshields and jet packs like you can get away with in a game like Halo.