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Report: NYC cabbie stabbed after passenger asks 'Are You Muslim?'

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Gaborn said:
Considering the odds against any particular cab driver being gay, muslim, or fitting into any one particular category I'd still lean towards robbery. Otherwise you'd have to believe they were just taking a random cab, asked the guy if he was muslim, heard he was, and decided to stab him. RATHER than, intending to stab the guy, asking him if he was muslim, and using it as an excuse. I think he CLEARLY had to plan it.
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Cab drivers are overwhelmingly Asian and in many cases, Muslim. For example, Chicago Yellow Cab recently took down the Anti-Islamic hate campaign advertisement on Yellow cabs by Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller. This is what the CEO had to say:

Michael Levine, the CEO of Yellow Cab Chicago, said the signs were offensive to the cityÂ’s taxi drivers, an estimated half of whom are Muslim.

“They will be removed,” Levine said. “Yellow Cab does not regularly approve advertising content carried by our affiliates, but we do reserve the right to ask them to remove ads that offend either the drivers or the public.”
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xbhaskarx said:
The comments section should provide some entertainment...
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I don't have to go to that cesspool to know what the comments will be like. "If they don't wanna get stabbed, then they shouldn't have built their Ground Zero Victory Mosque!!"
 
Gaborn said:
Correct. Although, that's not necessarily relevant to this case. I think the media is probably going to pile on this situation because of the inflammatory nature of the early report. My guess is there's one or more elements that we're missing here (possibly a history of mental illness, other criminal convictions, etc) that may have influenced this.

In general though I don't think people who commit crimes should be treated differently based on their thoughts/beliefs/motives.

Scorcho - I don't think the penalty for lynching a man because he's black should be any different than the penalty for killing a man for his money. Murder's murder.

Oh, and Stump - I am NOT saying hate crimes (if you define them as a crime motivated by a person's negative beliefs about a member of a particular group) don't exist. I do think sometimes people jump the gun and call something a hate crime before we know anything. The police haven't confirmed yet whether or not the man admitted asking if the guy was a Muslim.
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the police confirmed the attacker asked the guy about his religion, then screamed Assalamu alaiku. Prejudiced intent seems pretty well established to me, even if he was drunk.


Foxnews comments section:
"Well, I hope the cabbie recovers, then goes back to where he came from. The stabber should be punished, but in the first place, he should have joined the military and gone to Iraq or Afghanistan where he could openly and legally blow their heads off. You have to think, folks."


ouch.
 
theignoramus said:
the police confirmed the attacker asked the guy about his religion, then screamed Assalamu alaiku. Prejudiced intent seems pretty well established to me, even if he was drunk.
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At which point I SAID

I still don't believe in the legal concept of hate crimes, that is, punishing motive more harshly, but I accept that this IS clearly a bias motivated crime.
 
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Dram said:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0810/AntiMuslim_attacker_works_at_proPark51_group.html?showall


Alleged anti-Muslim attacker works at pro-Park51 group
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This is just bizarre...

But as often at the intersection of politics and violent crime, the story doesn't appear to fit any easy stereotype: The alleged assailant, Michael Enright, is — according to his Facebook profile and the website of the left-leaning media organization Intersections International — a student at the School of Visual Arts and a volunteer for Intersections, which recently produced a statement of support for the Park51 project, and is funded by the mainstream, liberal Collegiate Church of New York.

Intersections did not respond to two messages, and the group does not appear to be picking up the phone. Enright did not respond to a message through his Facebook account.

But this appears to be the same man: Police described Enright as a resident of Brewster, 21, and an employee of an "Internet media company who had recently spent time with a combat unit in Afghanistan filming military exercises until this past May."

His Facebook picture, above, appears to show him in Afghanistan. The page describes him as a cinematographer and photographer for Intersections.
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crazy :lol
 
Gaborn said:
At which point I SAID

I still don't believe in the legal concept of hate crimes, that is, punishing motive more harshly, but I accept that this IS clearly a bias motivated crime.
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Yeah, I do not like the idea much myself.

It works as a deterrent (and I cannot imagine it to be a very good), but it is still a bit unfair.
 
Jerk 2.0 said:
Yeah, I do not like the idea much myself.

It works as a deterrent (and I cannot imagine it to be a very good), but it is still a bit unfair.
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It seems to me the same deterrent would apply if we increased the penalty for crimes across the board.
 
PhoenixDark said:
What a horrible crime. It's time to stop giving white males cab ride access in NY. Right now their presence is just too sensitive
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what are you even trying to do with this post?
 
Gaborn said:
I somehow have trouble believing the idiot wouldn't have stabbed the guy anyway, seems like a classic robbery type scenario. It's a shame, and especially a shame because the idiot seems to have used anti-religious sentiment as some sort of justification for his idiocy but it's really not that unusual.
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You don't viciously stab someone multiple times without asking for their valuables first... if it were just a classic robbery type scenario.


I'm kind of appalled that some people are making excuses for this piece of trash. :/
 
Gaborn said:
Considering the odds against any particular cab driver being gay, muslim, or fitting into any one particular category I'd still lean towards robbery. Otherwise you'd have to believe they were just taking a random cab, asked the guy if he was muslim, heard he was, and decided to stab him. RATHER than, intending to stab the guy, asking him if he was muslim, and using it as an excuse. I think he CLEARLY had to plan it.
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Or else he was a drunk a-hole to happened to end up in the wrong place at the right time for dumbassery.
 
Freshmaker said:
Or else he was a drunk a-hole to happened to end up in the wrong place at the right time for dumbassery.
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could be. As I said above, based on the new information he seems to be clearly motivated by animus.
 
I wonder if this Enright character is reacting to the Taliban murdering those aid workers earlier in the month. He was in Afghanistan just this past May.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
I wouldn't make any assumptions.
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True, who knows what his motives are, maybe he got indoctrinated to attack Muslims while working at Intersections International...

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Gaborn said:
Oh, and Stump - I am NOT saying hate crimes (if you define them as a crime motivated by a person's negative beliefs about a member of a particular group) don't exist. I do think sometimes people jump the gun and call something a hate crime before we know anything. The police haven't confirmed yet whether or not the man admitted asking if the guy was a Muslim.
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Of course, that dirty muslim cabbie was lying about the guy asking him about his religion. Of course...
 
Inanna said:
Of course, that dirty muslim cabbie was lying about the guy asking him about his religion. Of course...
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Don't put words in my mouth. Going on early reports can lead to a LOT of confusion, I was going with what I believed was the most current pertinent information at that time. I really hope I don't have to repeat yet again what the current information suggests to me.
 
Politico seems to be the only one reporting about this Facebook stuff. I don't exactly trust Politico as far as factual, unbias journalism goes, especially when they're exagerated or flat out lied in the past just to appeal to their very much far right audience.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
Politico seems to be the only one reporting about this Facebook stuff. I don't exactly trust Politico as far as factual, unbias journalism goes, especially when they're exagerated or flat out lied in the past just to appeal to their very much far right audience.
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What do you mean by that? The Facebook page is the Facebook page, with various information listed on it.

Are you suggesting Politico created the facebook page themselves or somehow altered it?

Is this not really Michael Enright's Facebook page?
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=546564905

Otherwise, what are Politico reporting about the Facebook page that you do not accept as factual?
 
I think the reasonable assumption is that something he saw in Afghanistan prejudiced his outlook on Muslims. Probably the Taliban. Going by his facebook profile, the man is your atypical liberal. So something changed his outlook.
 
Gaborn said:
Don't put words in my mouth. Going on early reports can lead to a LOT of confusion, I was going with what I believed was the most current pertinent information at that time. I really hope I don't have to repeat yet again what the current information suggests to me.
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That your assumptions perpetuated by ideology were unsurprisingly incorrect?
 
xbhaskarx said:
WTF...



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why would you leave out the second movie? Falling Down
 
xbhaskarx said:
WTF...



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This is just bizarre...



crazy :lol
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Yeah, I didn't expect this from some liberal hippie filmmaker. Guess you really don't know people.

EDIT: Guess he wasn't liberal at all. My bad.
 
xbhaskarx said:
What do you mean by that? The Facebook page is the Facebook page, with various information listed on it.

Are you suggesting Politico created the facebook page themselves or somehow altered it?

Is this not really Michael Enright's Facebook page?
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=546564905

Otherwise, what are Politico reporting about the Facebook page that you do not accept as factual?
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I didn't imply any of that. I just don't see Facebook as a reliable judge of someone's beliefs, especially seeing other boards going "ITS A DURTY LIB SEE THERE ALL EVUL" despite the facts being flimsy

And here's another Michael Enright that's a starch supporter of Sarah Palin, he even kind of looks like the other one
http://www.facebook.com/Flames0075?ref=fs

Who's to say that guy isn't our man?
 
xbhaskarx said:
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Here is the Fox News story: NYC Cabdriver Stabbed After Telling Passenger He Was Muslim, Police Say

The comments section should provide some entertainment...
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I like this one -

"One raghead cabbie attacked. 2700 Innocent Americans slaughtered. Lemme see.. the math says 2700 Muslims have yet to pay before the balance is achieved." -Tulcas Between the tens of thousands we've handled in Iraq and Afghanistan, I think we've got that deficit pretty much covered. You're not suggesting that they try to even the score in return, are you? That's traitor talk"

Fucking pwnage right there.
 
harSon said:
That your assumptions perpetuated by ideology were unsurprisingly incorrect?
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What ideology is that, in terms of thinking the media often sensationalizes stories based on limited and incomplete information?
 
xbhaskarx said:
True, who knows what his motives are, maybe he got indoctrinated to attack Muslims while working at Intersections International...

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this is why I wouldn't have made assumptions based solely on an organization he was volunteering with. nice try, though.
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Gaborn said:
What ideology is that, in terms of thinking the media often sensationalizes stories based on limited and incomplete information?
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The one that causes you to make unfounded assumptions that go directly against what the facts of the situation currently are.
 
Karma Kramer said:
Hey not too many questions but Enright was my roommate for a year and I just heard about this, pretty fucked up...
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I'll just repost my question from the previous thread:

How did he feel towards Muslims in general? I believe that he went in Afghanistan to make a documentary of sorts, but was he prejudiced towards the people living there?
 
It's worth noting, incidentally, some people have jumped on stories early and made ridiculous assumptions. To whit, Bloomberg:
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg agreed the Times Square car bombing was likely “homegrown” as he proceeded, in an interview excerpt run on Monday's CBS Evening News, to speculate it could have been placed by “somebody with a political agenda who doesn't like the health care bill or something. It could be anything.”
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From here, with video.

harson - I was wrong, I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again I'm sure. Is that what you wanted?
 
effingvic said:
Yeah, I didn't expect this from some liberal hippie filmmaker. Guess you really don't know people.
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Liberal hippie filmmaker who's a fan of Tea Partier State Senate candidate Greg Ball according to his Facebook page, so I guess you really really don't know people.
 
Joe Shlabotnik said:
Liberal hippie filmmaker who's a fan of Tea Partier State Senate candidate Greg Ball according to his Facebook page, so I guess you really really don't know people.
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Which leads me to believe that he was in Afghanistan to make a biased documentary piece that strongly favored American presence.
 
RustyNails said:
I'll just repost my question from the previous thread:

How did he feel towards Muslims in general? I believe that he went in Afghanistan to make a documentary of sorts, but was he prejudiced towards the people living there?
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I never heard anything concrete that would make me think he hated muslims in general. But he definitely was vocal about killing and eliminating all terrorists. But he seemed to enjoy people of different color and although he would get really drunk and do some crazy shit (mostly hurting himself in the process) I would never think he would do something like this.
 
HEs not a liberal LOL

Definitely a republican. I saw him on the streets on the night Obama won and he had such a pissed off look on his face
 
Joe Shlabotnik said:
Liberal hippie filmmaker who's a fan of Tea Partier State Senate candidate Greg Ball according to his Facebook page, so I guess you really really don't know people.
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B-but he liked art and stuff :( I'm so confused.
 
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