"But DS4 was never licenced to run on PS5 games right so nobody is taking away a licenced product!" these are the shitty excuses you're making for xbox instead of just admitting yeah this is pretty anticonsumer. The only difference is that people would not have necessarily bought a bunch of DS4 for their PS5 or £100+ peripherals because it works, happly use them for years then all of a sudden the manufacturer decides it wants to actively stop you from using them rendering them useless. You have a hard time admitting this is shitty but I just hope MS fixes this and doesn't listen to the evangelist crowd you hang with.
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Report: Xbox will start banning unlicensed third party (wireless) controllers in November
Umm no the frying your board shit was fear mongering excuses from your mate Manabyte. Nothing is frying any boards. They're standard USB devices that have passed FCC testing.
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DaGwaphics
Member
I really think you greatly overestimate the amount of Xbox owners that aren't using the official first-party parts or at the minimum licensed third-party options. The unlicensed products remain unlicensed for a reason, they are mostly junk and mostly won't work to begin with. A serious brand with any credibility at all, would get the products licensed as required.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
First of all, I don't have any issues 'admitting' that I don't care about unlicensed products not working. Feigning outrage over unlicensed stuff not working is ridiculous and just console-war fodder. Again, we're all clear that this is only effecting unlicensed stuff.
Secondly, a DS4 works on the PS5 on a system level, you can do everything with it except play PS5 games. The reasoning being that it doesn't support the same kind of haptics.
Well, I have all that shit disabled on a system level. I still can't use DS4 to play Spider Man 2.
The last time I bought (re: wasted money) on an unlicensed Chinese pad was on the X360 where the analogs broke within days and since it was one of those kind of resellers, there wasn't any way to get my money back either.
Ever since then, I do just the most basic of cursory checks to make sure what I'm buying is genuine and authorized before buying (not that I buy a lot of third party accessories, maybe a pad here or there).
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Even more reason to let the ones who don't just be if that's the case.
And no the unlicensed stuff are not junk. A Fanatec DD Pro is far from junk. A dualsense is far from junk. Some things are unlicensed simply because the manufacturer has not worked with xbox specifically. It's rather silly to suggest that anybody who isn't working with MS and paying whatever licensing fee they ask are making junk products.
Are all SSD manufacturers making junk because MS would only allow their own licenced storage on xbox? Not really.
Connxtion
Member
I suspect it was done due to them sealing the deal with Activision and owning COD, as the 3rd party remap/macro devices (unlicensed controllers are just a victim) are rife in COD and other FPS games, so fecking frustrating going up against someone who has recoil cancelling enabled
.As for cross play, I turn it off if there is an option and if there isn’t then I just have to deal with cheaters.
ManaByte
Gold Member
The guy making 200 jumping toast games a month seems to have no problem getting a license but it seems to much to ask a controller manufacturer to.
GHG
Member
It might not bother you but there will be people that this does bother.
If you want an example have a look at the list of HOTAS/Wheels that are officially supported on Xbox consoles vs on PC in the very same games.
The PC lists are not limited to those devices either by the way because most games will support any peripheral that is recognised as a directinput device.
That is why people will utilise these devices instead of having to purchase multiple versions of expensive peripherals that do exactly the same thing.
If cheating were their primary concern then why did they push so hard for cross-play to become widely supported? "But cheats" is a cop out excuse.
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That's not what I said you had an issue admitting. The fact that you went and dodged actually saying what I said you can't admit only proves my point. Yet you're still complaining DS4 too. Pathetic really.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You want me to 'admit' that them not allowing unlicensed controllers is anti-consumer.
I just can't do that because I don't find that to be anti-consumer at all.
Like I said earlier, no console vendor has any obligation to allow unlicensed, unauthorized peripherals to be used on their hardware.
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HeisenbergFX4
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I get it if it bothers people who have devices this affects and using them for legit reasons, not telling others how to feel as I never said people shouldn't be bothered by this.
Just saying if it stops people from using those modded controllers that allow for stupid shit in games like COD than I am all for it (I will admit I have one I tried and it 100% worked undetected)
Some of these affected devices have no macro functions (outside of turbo) so I'm not sure about that. I just hope they sort it out before the preview goes live for those affected and before others get any ideas.I suspect it was done due to them sealing the deal with Activision and owning COD, as the 3rd party remap/macro devices (unlicensed controllers are just a victim) are rife in COD and other FPS games, so fecking frustrating going up against someone who has recoil cancelling enabled
As for cross play, I turn it off if there is an option and if there isn’t then I just have to deal with cheaters.
GHG
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HeisenbergFX4
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ChorizoPicozo
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
It is FUD but at the same time I don't have any faith that any of my Chinese controllers meet any regulations regardless of what they might say on them.
GHG
Member
The point was that they made a huge fuss about crossplay, exposing their userbase to the "cheaters".
If this were really about cheaters then they wouldn't wait 2 weeks to disable the devices.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Just throwing this out there because I saw mods changed the thread title to wireless controllers but something tells me wired non licensed products will be on that hit list as well
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I think they've always been weird about wireless products, I think you couldn't even get a wireless third party controller last gen.
I actually thought it was the same this generation too, until this thread (which will affect about 2 people here but will trigger a 500 post thread because people want to be angry about Xbox again) - here in the UK the only game specialist store (Game) don't appear to sell a wireless third party controller, that's not licensed.
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ManaByte
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Well if the Black Friday rumors are true, strap yourself in.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
King Dazzar
Member
Yep, that was my point earlier. If the motivation is cheating, then you'd expect usb pluggable devices to be hit too.
King Dazzar
Member
oh, what rumours are those?
Negotiator101
Member
Exactly, also most of these unlicensed third party stuff are low quality crap anyway.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
To me IF this weeds out a few people using modded controllers online games it’s worth it versus the people using these devices to get unlicensed 3rd party devices to work
I am just in the corner on the ring that helps me even a tiny bit
If I had devices I was using that were unlicensed and needed these adapters to work I would likely be in their corner then.
Just being honest I care more about what I might run into
ManaByte
Gold Member
RyanEvans21
Member
It's all about the 
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Pretty sure Nacon is all officially licensed products
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Wait what?
midnightAI
Member
That's fair enough, I'm on the (semi) opposite side, I use DualSense for mainly comfort reasons via wingman, nothing to do with cheating.
I just don't understand people palming it off saying it's only cheap chinese controllers so screw you, when the truth is this 'could' affect a fair few people, people in the same situation as me, people with expensive sim rigs were they use the same wheel on multiple consoles etc.
But like I said, this seems more like a move to get more money rather than cutting out potential cheats (if MS had it their way I'm sure they would have zero third party controllers but the uproar would be insane)
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
No matter what some are saying even in semi private circles its 100% a money grab
And you are dead on, its not just cheap Chinese made crap
As I mentioned I picked up one of those cheating style controllers back playing the Xbox One X and the thing was like $100 at Gamestop and was really a higher quality controller
I do bet the biggest crowd this will effect is like yourself who use a Dualsense on Xbox which is silly it doesnt work natively imo
DaGwaphics
Member
Most of the time they are junk if they are actively trying to subvert the licensing process of a console brand. The big boys that are on the up and up will follow whatever guidelines that are required. I don't think you'd see Razor, Hyperkin, 8BitDo etc. releasing products that intentionally violate the requirements of the platform holders. And it sounds rude, but the people expecting to use a controller from one console brand on another are just being straight-up ridiculous. Where's the Xbox controller support on Nintendo and Sony, LOL. When has that ever been a thing, without some kind of weirdness that would obviously get blocked out on modern systems that get updates. And with good reason, the developers have specific expectations about the hardware that is being supported when they make these games, they don't make a PS5 game thinking about how that is going to work with an Xbox controller and vice versa.
Side question about this, are there actually third-party controllers that use the Xbox wireless technology or do those all use a dongle? I know some of the third-party wireless headsets do, so, I guess they are allowing it now. They used to never license anything wireless.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
The only licensed third party controller that uses wireless is the SCUF, but it's also the most expensive controller.
Precisely.
The folks making the wingman controllers aren’t throwing hysterics on Twitter and will simply get in touch with MS (as they’ve said) to ensure their products continue to work.
The same Microsoft that allows you to use your Xbox One controllers and accessories on Series X/S consoles, allows you to boot into dev mode and run your own code? The one that allows you stream PC games from GeForce Now on the console browser without any fuss?
Lmao
Not really, these aren't born simply to subvert licensing and they're not junk even if they were simply for that purpose. There are often even wheels that are near identical but there is a licensed xbox version and a licensed PS version and you can't use them on both. Somebody who doesn't want to spend upwards of £250 twice or have to remove and swap the wheel from their racing seat depending on what they're playing is well within their right to use an adapter. Doesn't mean the adapter or wheel is junk.
There are only two licenced wireless controllers that use MS's proprietary wireless technology I believe. The Power A MOGA XP Ultra and the Scuf Instinct pro. I'm not sure if the later is a customised xbox controller that's direct from MS but they are also both expensive. On the former maybe due to the licensing cost.
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Bumblebeetuna
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I've really never come across a console player that expects unlicensed accessories to work, hell most of the time I've always stuck with first-party accessories because even the third-party licensed accessories barely work.
I wonder how much of it has to do with all of those dirt cheap bootleg Xbox controllers sold on the Chinese apps. Plus all of the cheating you can do with other controllers.
Hard for me to define it as “anti-consumer” if it negatively affects such a tiny number of consumers but can benefit many more than that.
DaGwaphics
Member
How is that an Xbox problem? If Sony supports the adapters, get the Xbox version and use it on both. If Sony doesn't support the adapters, which really they shouldn't, get a wheel for each or build a PC and don't mess with the locked down hardware platforms.
Wrong, there is also a multiplatform Power A controller. This doesn't have anything to do with those wireless controllers though. The article is given that title because it prevents adaptors which people often use with wireless controllers like the dualsense or victrix pro or whatever they like using.
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I find this reponse to "get a wheel for each" sad and defeatist but whatever. Well I would agree not buying the locked down xbox hardware but here is the thing about that last part. It wasn't locked down when they might have made the decision to buy the xbox and said peripherals. The other thing you mention is also what I fear. For now neither Sony or Nintendo block these. When they see that people are doing what you suggested, buying the xbox version for compatibility because xbox blocked it what do you think that's going to encourage Sony and Nintendo to do?
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King Dazzar
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With that attitude, nothing is the platform holders fault and its always solely the consumers fault for buying the third party product. And if you dont like it, buy a PC. Do you realise how shitty that sounds?
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
When the dualsense only works on PC with a bunch of caveats, expecting the xbox to support dualsense natively is crazy.
DaGwaphics
Member
There's a bit of reality to it though. If you love the DualSense and want to play with that, get a PS5 or a PC where the games will support that controller. Don't bitch and moan about it.
I absolutely HATE the symmetrical layout of the PS controllers, with fervor. But, obviously I use a dual shock with my PS4, I don't expect to plug my Xbox controller in. It is what it is. Plus, there are always wired controllers for both Xbox/Sony that mimic the layout of the "other" brand, for users that are more comfortable with those layouts.
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