PrivateWHudson
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Lots of information. Could someone connect the dots on how Oleg's death moves the needle?
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Reports on Russian connections to Trump [Summaries in OP] #GoldenShowers
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Lots of information. Could someone connect the dots on how Oleg's death moves the needle?
Dubbedinenglish
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Yeah normally I'd say it's crazy but Russia has epidemic of Sudden Onset Death among politicians and businessmen.
So Glencore is shady as fuck (from wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glencore
ABC Radio reported in 2005 that Glencore "has been accused of illegal dealings with rogue states: apartheid South Africa, USSR, Iran, and Iraq under Saddam Hussein", and has a "history of busting UN embargoes to profit from corrupt or despotic regimes".[15] Specifically, Glencore was reported to have been named by the CIA to have paid $3,222,780 in illegal kickbacks to obtain oil in the course of the UN oil-for-food programme for Iraq. The company denied these charges, according to the CIA report quoted by ABC.[15][53]
Insane if there are concrete connections to Trump. The entire wikipedia page is bathed in controversy.
ABC Radio reported in 2005 that Glencore "has been accused of illegal dealings with rogue states: apartheid South Africa, USSR, Iran, and Iraq under Saddam Hussein", and has a "history of busting UN embargoes to profit from corrupt or despotic regimes".[15] Specifically, Glencore was reported to have been named by the CIA to have paid $3,222,780 in illegal kickbacks to obtain oil in the course of the UN oil-for-food programme for Iraq. The company denied these charges, according to the CIA report quoted by ABC.[15][53]
Insane if there are concrete connections to Trump. The entire wikipedia page is bathed in controversy.
I think the idea is that he possibly could have been Steele's informant. That's quite a leap, though, obviously.
LookAtMeGo
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Good post.
I tend to agree with you that it all sounds pretty insane and the way many people have latched onto this idea is kinda insane.
However, I think a bulk of it comes from the insanity in what is being discussed and the fact that for the most part, the sources people are using are verifiable and connect in ways that are beyond coincidental.
Element of confirmation bias is definitely present here but people sound crazy because of the crazy material that's being discussed, I think.
Seems like a very likely candidate honestly, who else would know about the 19% stake?
PrivateWHudson
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Oh, okay. I wasn't picking up on that. Wonder what would lead him to become an informant.
iRAWRasaurus
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Damn as much as I hate conspiracy theories there is too much information that's lining up.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I do believe there is a link between the memo and the 19.5% sale.
Could this explain Trump's reaction to this whole scandle, that he just denies, denies and denies because he knows those who made the deal are already killed off?
He's even fucking shadier than we ever imagined. Seriously, how can GOP let this continue? I could only imagine that it is only going to hurt them in the long term as most Americans are not as stupid as those Trump followers.
SparkleMotion
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They'll dump him when it's most opportune for them, and not a second before.
Poor GRIMES
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Remember a month or so before the election there was that story of Trump being connected to some Russian bank? I think it was ""debunked"" by some outlet but it's worth looking at again.
DragonSworne
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Yep. It was never truely debunked and just forgotten about. Trump had servers pinging Russian bank servers secretly in patterned that resembled conversation communication.
Definitely worth investigating.
Like morse code?
I don't think Trump's reactions have gone beyond his typical counterprogramming-style of tweeting: Tweeting in all caps the opposite of what is true. More like he is worried and trying to spread misinformation and hold on to his base.
GOP is letting this continue because now is the time to get some of their policies through, perhaps. It is encouraging that the Senate Intelligence Committee is going to begin investigating Trump team ties to Russia. Republican-led team, which adds some severity and credibility to it.
Ultimately, if it gets too heated, GOP will cut and run to ensure political survival. Notice how in recent days, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell and other prominent Republicans aren't directly talking about this? No words from Mike Pence also telling. No one wants to be the party that has the Russian-controlled President. The moment things heat up, you'll see the abandonment.
It's also telling that Trump team, besides Trump himself, isn't out there trying to clean this up intensely. Russia's "No Comment" reply to whether Flynn spoke to the Foreign Minister is also telling, a stark difference from merely shutting down the allegations. There is no good way to handle that situation and as such, backed into a corner.
DragonSworne
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Can't remember, but supposedly the communication would spike during major media events. When the server was found out about it was immediately turned off only to be later setup again elsewhere communicating to the same server.
Not 100% sure on the details. Someone else can find a link since I'm currently unable to.
Yep, it was posted here when it came out. No one paid attention to it, and I think it was "debunked" as marketing attempts...or something like that:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...p_organization_communicating_with_russia.html
Edit: Found the Vox follow-up, posted like a day later: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/1/13484340/trump-russia-secret-server
Article for ya
Forgotten but of course, important now. Just like how everyone ignored Mother Jone's article telling us about everything we know from the dossier now.
It was Alfa. The dossier says Mikhail Fridman has dirt on Putin, the only reason why Fridman gets away with the things he is doing. Fridman is part of the inner circle.
It was never properly debunked. I also have first hand knowledge from several clients who were involved in some EM deals with Alfa as a counterparty....dodgy does not even begin to describe it.
The idea that Trump's casino's were a money laundering operation for the FSB has some credence to it given a lot of Alfa's investmentments were questionable at best and only made sense as favours to release capital that was otherwise illegal to gain access to. The dossier hinted at it, but there is no proof that has been presented.
The communication was said to resemble regular back-and-forth email traffic:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...p_organization_communicating_with_russia.html
Wait a second
Alfa Bank. Or as the dossier puts it - Alpha Bank.
Yoooooo
We heading into conspiracy world here.
Alfa Bank. Or as the dossier puts it - Alpha Bank.
Yoooooo
We heading into conspiracy world here.
Billy_Pilgrim
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Does anyone know of any good documentaries on Russian politics from post-soviet collapse to now?
Dubbedinenglish
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Wait Alfa (Alpha) bank is on the dossier too. Shit. Put it on the board.
BronsonLee
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chillybright
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this gif is mesmerizing.
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Infinite Stars
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Shit. This is some straight out of Tom Clancy levels of absurdity, but damn.
I don't want to jump down this rabbit hole, but.. It's seemingly all connected.
Wasn't there some speculation earlier on that they could have been Steele's informants?
Killer Queen
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The conspiracies are worth it for the gifs alone.
iRAWRasaurus
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Yup. The GOP's general silence on this matter is pretty telling. Ordinarily they'd be falling all over themselves to defend their leader and toe the party line, but they're just sort of shuffling about in an awkward quiet. It's only Trump's inner circle that's speaking out.
Ya, I'm typically wary about conspiracy theories, but everything ties together quite well without having to take leaps of faith into dubious logic.
All that's needed is proof, and that's not going to be easy to come by when dealing with masters of covering your tracks.
If they hadn't chosen a toddler as their main man, none of this would have come out.
BronsonLee
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They kinda need to get Steele to testify at a hearing now
WhateverItTakes
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I hope he has the awareness to back up his work and make a failsafe plan in case they try to muzzle him.
Nothing actionable is going to come out of this for a while. The best they can do is give it enough internal momentum to avoid being blockaded by the incoming administration.
neostapler
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there was a link several pages ago citing Steele sending his findings to both US intelligence and British Intelligence because he felt what he found was so important that no one body should have them
Ok, I'm seeing a ton of meta talk about developing conspiracy theories. Are there any articles, red line MS Paints, or tweet chains that can summarize the web?
Is this likely to be a real thing, an amusing set of coincidences, or the emergent result of several symbiotic interests?
Is this likely to be a real thing, an amusing set of coincidences, or the emergent result of several symbiotic interests?
jakonovski
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This is more like
Curt Baboon
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Only one man can connect the dots. No...not a man, but a Body! THE Body!
Infinite Stars
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Honestly, as insane as it sounds I'd think the safest place for him would be the White House. There'd be likely no way that he have anything happen to him that wouldn't end up being linked back to Russia. And assuming that they can delay Golden Goon from taking office, he's basically untouchable in there
Let's leave the red line stuff to 4chan and Reddit. That's when you start down a path that there's no coming back from.
LookAtMeGo
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Its fun tho.
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