Gravy Boat
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In that case he'll yeah. Fuck Gavin, he's an asshole.
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Rescued piglets served up as sausages to firefighters
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In that case he'll yeah. Fuck Gavin, he's an asshole.
But as long as you do not let the animal suffer gratuitously, who declared it "amoral" to eat animals, particularly raised for such a purpose?
As per the strawman argument, I see it all too often used by Vegans. I just wanted to poke at the sillyness of it.
"Well, would you eat other people?"
No.
Because people aren't animals.
This very same strawman argument has already been used in this very thread.
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Contica
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http://www.*****************/news/a...nitals-serves-paying-dinner-party-guests.html
Not the finest meal, apparently.
Edit: link not working. Was about man who served his genitalia at at restaurant.
Of course not. Bears don't herd other animals into small enclosures and force them to live there for their entire lives. When a bear eats meat, it hunted a free roaming animal. It didn't breed it in a factory.
See above.
As a vegan, I oppose forcing animals to live under the conditions they mostly have to live under. I grew up on a small farm where we did really care for our animals, and no, that's not good enough either. Keep in mind, animals rarely have toilet. They're inside for most of the year, muck gets shoveled during the day. At night, they sleep in it.
Hunting for food I can't really find a huge issue with. Not much different than animals hunting for food.
Honestly, not really. Hunters who kill animals to eat them are generally very morally opposed to causing the animal any suffering.
Skellig Gra
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Are you one of those aggressive vegans GAF was complaining about?
I think people are reading more into my comments than are actually there. I love me some bacon. I was speaking more to the attitudes expressed towards livestock. If deceased humans could be harvested as food and was legal, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of GAF (and people in general) in here would consume it without moral quandaries. That also isn't an attack on their character or person - it's an observation without any pedestals attached and is interesting to think about.
Tezzeractor
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Uh... yes they are.
Dash_Riprock
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Don't tell vegans that. They're pretty committed to seeing them as only one notch above cannibals...
Agent Smith disagrees.
I'm allergic to all fish and all nuts, particularly tree nuts, so I'm guaranteed to die in any desert island scenario that doesn't involve availability of local wildlife to hunt.
My friend should probably eat me before they die instead. I'm useless.
TheLostBigBoss
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I was mainly pointing at the guy that thinks eating bacon calls for getting cancer, or all humans who eat meat are scum
And I think you're really missing the mark on the whole eating people thing...
Funnily enough, many people use this as their reasoning for eating meat. "We're all animals."
Circle Jerk
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It's really not as interesting as you think
Huh? Generally animals don't eat their own dead, so it would be odd for people to eat dead people, even it were legal. So I doubt people in general (and Gaf) would start consuming their dead. I think it's more instinctual and less a moral issue.
smileyforall220
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Not many people here have slaughtered animals by hand if I had to guess. It gives you an appreciation for where the meat comes from. Supermarkets just give you the end result and I roll my eyes at people who enjoy the end part of the process but take offense or feel uncomfortable with the reality that they're eating what was once living animals.
PdotMichael
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"People in general" form our society with moral standards and stuff and we don't do that, so what's your point?
I think the biggest problem I have on this forum is that far too often, people separate humans from animals (as a justification for animal cruelty). While I agree that the well being of humans should be placed above "lesser animals", we can walk and chew gum simultaneously.
No one necessarily "declared" it. It's a way of life. I believe it's immoral to butcher innocent lives when it's not necessary. That doesn't mean I hate you. That doesn't mean I judge all meat eaters. I understand it's a tough thing to break away from. I was there not more than two years ago.
It just saddens and frustrates me to see so many people joyously celebrate the death and suffering of lives. And to assume that these animals are only capable of being slaughtered. That they aren't still intelligent creatures who could even make good pets and friends. Who deserve a chance to life alongside of humans instead of bred for their bellies.
But that's just me
Pagusas
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Yeah that's a pretty easy line to draw.
Diprosalic
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why no horse? delicious.
PdotMichael
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They just wouldn't exist in the first place. We wouldn't have farms full of domestic animals for head patting
But they do exist and it's possible to make changes. And they've proven to be good, loyal pets as well.
Some could make the arugment that particular dog breeds were bred for fighting, but pitbulls make for excellent pets and are gentle and loyal. I don't see people saying "but they were bred to fight, that's their purpose"
When people have proven, for example, that pigs make for just as good of pets. And they were bred for slaughter, right?
Stallion Dan
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Firefighters save piglets so deserve cancer?
In an emergency, if it meant between either starving to death or eating another human being that is already dead to have a chance at survival then sure I would as a last resort.
And before you ask "what if the other guy is still alive?" in that case it is survival of the fittest as dark and gruesome as that indeed is.
adamantypants
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So pig farm slaughters pigs? News at 11
I don't have one. Not everybody is peddling an agenda.
I would argue the opposite - the fact that so many people have an immediate emotional response is probably an indicator that they should try to reflect on why this story, despite being rationally sensible, is unsettling them.
(If you feel sad when pigs burn to death, you should also feel bad when they're slaughtered for meat. The suffering is different but the dying is the same.)
Firefighters rescue sausages, and now the weather.
Escape Goat
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That's really disturbing.
GeordieMark
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I love most of the meat products that come from piggies but this still made me feel a little sad. Out of the fire and into the frying pan.
The taste is also different.
R10Neymarfan
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Not liking these comments in here. Total lack of empathy. You don't save animals just to eat them
That's inherently cruel and sadistic
That's inherently cruel and sadistic
Strangelove77
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I get the joke, but I don't think it's funny.
That being said, it's nothing to be upset about.
That being said, it's nothing to be upset about.
Tezzeractor
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I'm neither vegan nor vegetarian. But this is mainly due to my little influence over groceries and lack of independence.
This story is morbid, but the pigs were of course going to be eaten. The story isn't that special.
Here's the situation as I see it:
Humans recognize that animals feel emotions and suffering. Some we eat even have relatively high intelligence.
Humans have the ingenuity and resources to find or create alternatives.
Humans eat animals anyway.
This isn't some kind of moral high ground. I don't even have a right to speak ill of people who choose to eat meat, as I do too. But it's a little disheartening seeing people not only expressing apathy for the animals, but going out of their way to say, "Now I'm gonna eat these pigs twice as hard! Just to piss off those vegans!"
It's too big of a problem to fix though. The best I think that can happen is lab grown meat becoming mainstream.
This story is morbid, but the pigs were of course going to be eaten. The story isn't that special.
Here's the situation as I see it:
Humans recognize that animals feel emotions and suffering. Some we eat even have relatively high intelligence.
Humans have the ingenuity and resources to find or create alternatives.
Humans eat animals anyway.
This isn't some kind of moral high ground. I don't even have a right to speak ill of people who choose to eat meat, as I do too. But it's a little disheartening seeing people not only expressing apathy for the animals, but going out of their way to say, "Now I'm gonna eat these pigs twice as hard! Just to piss off those vegans!"
It's too big of a problem to fix though. The best I think that can happen is lab grown meat becoming mainstream.
TheLostBigBoss
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Gravy Boat
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There was a 6 month gap between the two events. It wasn't like they were slaughtering the pigs as the firemen were putting their hoses away.
PdotMichael
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Well, the animals on farms aren't pets, they only exist for one reason. Like the horse population declined rapidly after they were obsolete for their once main purpose.
I'm just asking questions!
chromhound
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Just evil...😅
molnizzle
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Depends on how tasty it was.
PdotMichael
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Then you shouldn't eat meat at all
The Albatross
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I think the title of the story belies the timeline. Fire fighters save pigs (which were being raised for food) and gives them back to the farmer. Farmer continues to raise the pigs as food for many months, and instead of giving the meat to their regular distributor, gives them to the farmers.
Like, I get being against raising animals as food in general, but I'm not sure what else should have been done... The pigs, as cute as they probably were as piglets, aren't pets.
No it's not like that at all, the pigs were going to be eaten either way so yes they were saved but there's nothing cruel and sadistic about this story.
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