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Research Poll: 56% of all Americans think Islam is un-American
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You Are Viewtiful
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It's so weird how Republican Christian hate Islam more, considering the striking similarities. But religion will always lead to fights with other religions I guess.
LegalEagleMike
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Not looking forward to Christmas party on my side this year. Its going to be 4 hours of pro Trump discussion mixed with whining about Ohio State not making the playoffs.
ThankYouDaletech
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I wonder if America's wealthy ruling class is stoked about all this terrorism. Definitely distracts us from focusing on wealth distribution and giving every American an actual shot at being able to earn a worthwhile life.
ErnieMcCracken
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Double-fucking-whammy right there. I feel your pain.
They've been stoked about it for 15 years.
All you hear about in the news is Terrorism and Islam while they feast and keep on living like kings.
Fenderputty
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At least we're self aware in our discrimination
Pretty much.
On one hand, results like these make sense given the recent news in the past month or so.
On the other hand, that is no excuse to be xenophobic. Anyway, something should probably be done about Republican extremists that propagate hateful rhetoric. (I say Republicans because I don't think I've seen Democrats propagate hate about Islam. If I'm wrong, please tell me; I'm not American.)
On the other hand, that is no excuse to be xenophobic. Anyway, something should probably be done about Republican extremists that propagate hateful rhetoric. (I say Republicans because I don't think I've seen Democrats propagate hate about Islam. If I'm wrong, please tell me; I'm not American.)
ryutaro's mama
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56% Of Americans don't understand the founding principles of America.
And yet, they get to vote.
And yet, they get to vote.
Basileus777
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It's actually lower than I would have thought.
No way, a majority Christian nation (71%) who has suffered from Islamic terrorism for the past two decades in increasing number, considers Islam un-American? What do you expect? Especially for polls taken after two large terror attacks are in the minds of a lot of people.
You'd get these similar results from practically any Christian or formerly Christian/secular nation. There is a difference between believing in the ideal of freedom of religion and then considering a certain religion to be 'un-American'.
You'd get these similar results from practically any Christian or formerly Christian/secular nation. There is a difference between believing in the ideal of freedom of religion and then considering a certain religion to be 'un-American'.
Yep, I'm not sure why this is even remotely shocking. As it also says, a very large number of Democrats think the exact same way.
There is simply such a huge perceived cultural divide between "Muslims" and the typical western civilizations. No matter if it's entirely true or not, when you see what is on TV for either side, how everything is presented, it's like two completely different worlds. I imagine if the same sort of poll was conducted in Muslim majority countries that you would get the exact same type of results if not even greater. None of this should be shocking at all.
This is never, not in even a hundred more years and many more generations, ever going to change.
It has been this way for a very, very long time. I believe that the constant news, the media, and even the internet as a whole has simply shed more light on this type of thing so it's even more obvious than ever.
RustyNails
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If by un-American you mean you can't eat bacon and drink beer, then guilty as charged. Islam is un-American.
It's one of the things I hate about America, you guys take patriotism way too far.
OrlanisWorks
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Unknown Soldier
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Let's just do the Crusades again, only this time with tanks, bombers, and nuclear weapons. The winner of the Great War receives the smoking cinder of post-nuclear Earth as their prize.
Polioliolio
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But the right wingers have so much in common with them!
I don't know if I agree with this characterization: "30 percent of Republican voters in Iowa, a critical primary state". "A critical primary state". Since 1976, the only Republicans to win the caucuses in Iowa and then go on to win the Presidential contest have been Ragan and GW Bush. Since 1988, Iowa only went Red once, for W's reelection. I suppose Iowa, being early, drives media and donor attention, so maybe outright victory in Iowa isn't the most useful metric?
CrocMother
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Oh look, another poll! Americans hate Muslims confirmed!
BreezyLimbo
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I would reckon anything outside of America is un-american.
boiled goose
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Meh. I think all religions are "un American"
It would be weird to say islam is "American" too. It didn't start here. There's not a large percentage. There's no big cultural ties.
I wouldn't say Buddhism or Judaism are American either.
Christianity is also unamerican but has some cultural ties at least like xmas and some less savory things
It would be weird to say islam is "American" too. It didn't start here. There's not a large percentage. There's no big cultural ties.
I wouldn't say Buddhism or Judaism are American either.
Christianity is also unamerican but has some cultural ties at least like xmas and some less savory things
Complistic
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Their treatment of women seems pretty un-American to me.
That'd be about it though.
That'd be about it though.
MrCunningham
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Well, aren't all countries outside of America, un-American in some ways or another?
What's your metric for "increasing number"? You're talking about less than fifty people total since 9/11. If we include 9/11 it dwarfs everything since (and before, really). I suppose the numbers are more complicated if we include casualties from the War On Terror but those seem characteristically different enough to me to motivate their category.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/02/us/california-mass-shooting-san-bernardino.html?_r=1
Team Alucard
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What? Race, religion, and nationality are all covered under the civil rights act of 1964
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
that's a pretty dumb question to ask.
To be fair, a more accurate comparison would probably be to split up each attack, not just have 'Islamic' and "Non Islamic', many of those non islamic attacks have nothing in common with each other.What's your metric for "increasing number"? You're talking about less than fifty people total since 9/11. If we include 9/11 it dwarfs everything since (and before, really). I suppose the numbers are more complicated if we include casualties from the War On Terror but those seem characteristically different enough to me to motivate their category.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/02/us/california-mass-shooting-san-bernardino.html?_r=1
Robot Pants
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Least the Bengals did well
Syph Medwes
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Team Alucard
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The misogyny, homophobia, and hatred for other religions are all major running themes that fundamentalists on both sides share.
They even worship the same god, but don't try and tell them that.
Punishment of apostates?
The Quran is pretty clear that it's the same God, calls Jesus a Muslim etc. Doesn't fit the fundamentalist narrative though that's true.
Team Alucard
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I was talking more about fundamentalist Christians. I always get a kick out of explaining how both religions are descendant from Abraham and seeing them squirm.
Unknown Soldier
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To be fair to the Christians and Muslims though, all modern nations with Christian majorities are secular democracies.
The only majority Muslim nation on Earth which is a secular democracy is Turkey. All the others are dictatorships, theocracies, kingdoms, or failed states like Iraq.
The Pope himself has also said that both religions worship the one God too so not too sure what you're talking about. Unless Joe Schmo from the southern states of the US has more bearing on Christianity to you than the Pope.
Team Alucard
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Yeah, and Christianity is on the decline in all of those nations.
Look at the places where Christianity is growing (ie Africa), and tell me there aren't horrible human rights abuses being perpetrated in the name of the religion.
Not to let Islam off the hook either, because its also responsible for a lot of abhorrent shit.
LaserBuddha
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The disagreement within Islam itself about whether or not Mohammad is the final profit has been enough to cause incomprehensible amounts of bloodshed for centuries.
I think most religions including Christianity are on some level incompatible with American values (not the fake "the 10 commandments inspired the constitution" nonsense values). It's really just a measure of how much religion compromises itself to coexist peacefully with a secular society.
What's your metric for "increasing number"? You're talking about less than fifty people total since 9/11. If we include 9/11 it dwarfs everything since (and before, really). I suppose the numbers are more complicated if we include casualties from the War On Terror but those seem characteristically different enough to me to motivate their category.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/02/us/california-mass-shooting-san-bernardino.html?_r=1
The part that is reveant is that there are approx ~1% Muslims in USA versus 99% others. So ratio of terrorist caused death vs number of population clearly shows a discrepancy .
There are interpretation and part of Islam (Quran /Hadith) that are unamerican. But, absolutely not correlated with Muslims as being unamerican . As pretty much Muslim who live in USA version of Islam obviously is American .
Btw . Nothing is more unamerican than the Old Testament
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