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[How About No]

What i mean is, what did Spencer, Marcus and Ashford originally want when they established Umbrella

"I was to become a GAWD"

Everything else was just a means to that goal, morals or financial success be damned

I think after some down time and taking a break from this game. I still prefer RE2/3/CV/4 and 5 over this. The molded suck imo and the lack of enemy variety kinda fizzled things out for me. Still a good game though and for sure gives me hope Capcom is on a good direction.

I'm inclined to agree about the enemy variety. I hope they get a bit more creative in the Not A Hero DLC

 

[darkwing-buck]

I think after some down time and taking a break from this game. I still prefer RE2/3/CV/4 and 5 over this. The molded suck imo and the lack of enemy variety kinda fizzled things out for me. Still a good game though and for sure gives me hope Capcom is in a good direction.

 

[Dusk Golem]

I still think the Bad Ending Path > Good Ending Path.

Scene with Zoe on the boat is a bit more enjoyable than with Mia, the boss fight you have with Mia on the ship on the bad ending path I think is an actually well done 'touching' fight which made me like Mia a bit more, and I think the ending alteration is a bit more appropriate conclusion for the game.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I still think the Bad Ending Path > Good Ending Path.

Scene with Zoe on the boat is a bit more enjoyable than with Mia, the boss fight you have with Mia on the ship on the bad ending path I think is an actually well done 'touching' fight which made me like Mia a bit more, and I think the ending alteration is a bit more appropriate conclusion for the game.

Completely agree

 

[ScherzoPrime]

I hope Not A Hero isn't 'just' the mines again. It'd be cool if it were in the industrial area around the Salt Mines though.

Unrelated, but I'm really thinking of digging into RE stuff now. I don't think I can get into RE2 or 3, but is Veronica HD modernized enough that I can get through it? I know it still has tank controls and I remember kinda sucking at it the last time I tried, but I might want to make another go before I try RE5 or Zero (I loved REmake for what it's worth and RE7 really strongly reminded me of it). Also curious if any of the CGI movies are worth watching.

 

[How About No]

I still think the Bad Ending Path > Good Ending Path.

Scene with Zoe on the boat is a bit more enjoyable than with Mia, the boss fight you have with Mia on the ship on the bad ending path I think is an actually well done 'touching' fight which made me like Mia a bit more, and I think the ending alteration is a bit more appropriate conclusion for the game.

"Aww wifey "

"HEY WHERE ARE ALL YOUR REMOTE BOMBS I WANT THEM"

 

[Alienous]

I still think the Bad Ending Path > Good Ending Path.

Scene with Zoe on the boat is a bit more enjoyable than with Mia, the boss fight you have with Mia on the ship on the bad ending path I think is an actually well done 'touching' fight which made me like Mia a bit more, and I think the ending alteration is a bit more appropriate conclusion for the game.

It felt right in a lot of ways, but it's jarringly handled.

I went with choosing Zoe the first time around, it seemed like the hero thing to do. This thing was bigger than Ethan or Mia, and it didn't seem heroic to prioritize their relationship over someone who had knowledge on how to solve everything, and had earned themselves a cure.

But the game says "fuck that" at the first opportunity it has, and kills her in a way that invalidates the meaning of choosing her. Then Mia, miraculously, rescues Ethan despite being last seen stranded at the dock - the sense of time really breaks down.

But I did feel like the fight was well done. It felt like a fitting end to Mia - this situation was due, in part, to her fuck-up and dishonesty. It felt like an appropriate end to the character, and casts Ethan in a "this situation has killed my family, I'm going to kill this situation" badass way.

 

[brandonh83]

I still think the Bad Ending Path > Good Ending Path.

Scene with Zoe on the boat is a bit more enjoyable than with Mia, the boss fight you have with Mia on the ship on the bad ending path I think is an actually well done 'touching' fight which made me like Mia a bit more, and I think the ending alteration is a bit more appropriate conclusion for the game.

I think this could be the first time I've 100% strongly disagreed with anything you've said

The encounter on the ship with Mia is cool, but Mia surviving is cooler! Call me old fashioned.

 

[FunkyLounge]

I just got into the old house and have a big arachophobia and fear of insects. Yes, even the little ones. Are there here to stay?

I know about one boss fight and this house. Are they present till the end of the game?

 

[dlauv]

After five playthroughs, 100% achievements and completing all of RE.net's objectives, I think this game sits comfortably as the fourth-best game in the franchise, after RE4, REmake, and RE2. It also makes me want to get all cheevos for REmake HD.

I can't reconcile the great multiplayer game in RE5 being better than RE7 when the singleplayer is such a slog. Multiplayer is guaranteed to make any game better, but the mechanics of RE5, to be fair, facilitate multiplayer better than most games (compare to Gears of War or Halo).

 

[Alienous]

I just got into the old house and have a big arachophobia and fear of insects. Yes, even the little ones. Are there here to stay?

I know about one boss fight and this house. Are they present till the end of the game?

Probably use the main thread - this is the spoiler one.

And the insects don't stick around, so soldiering through them is an option. They are tied to that section of the game.

 

[Fancy Clown]

I hope Not A Hero isn't 'just' the mines again. It'd be cool if it were in the industrial area around the Salt Mines though.

Unrelated, but I'm really thinking of digging into RE stuff now. I don't think I can get into RE2 or 3, but is Veronica HD modernized enough that I can get through it? I know it still has tank controls and I remember kinda sucking at it the last time I tried, but I might want to make another go before I try RE5 or Zero (I loved REmake for what it's worth and RE7 really strongly reminded me of it). Also curious if any of the CGI movies are worth watching.

If you loved REmake you can definitely get into RE 2 & 3. The only major thing that's different is the graphics aren't as good, but I think even those hold up really well.

 

[ScherzoPrime]

If you loved REmake you can definitely get into RE 2 & 3. The only major thing that's different is the graphics aren't as good, but I think even those hold up really well.

I loved REmake HD, i.e. 'Not Tank Control' mode. I don't have the patience to wrangle with the controls, though I'd assume using a D-pad alleviates it compared to trying to use analog controlss.

Is 6 worth playing? I actually had fun with the Demo but I've heard that it's utter horseshit from people who's opinion I generally respect.

 

[KingV]

Dude, RE1 had Zombie Sharks. They were always a lolevil corporation.

It doesn't seem like the companies in RE7 are original games Umbrella though. Probably some spin-off or competitor.

Curious though, are there any instances in the REverse of Bioweapons working as intended? There seems to be much more 'catastrophic failures' than cases of their usage as effective weapons of war.

The J'Avos from 6 seemed to be basically as intended.

 

[ScherzoPrime]

The J'Avos from 6 seemed to be basically as intended.

I mean yeah, I can see why for wanton terrorism Bioweapons can be effective. But it seems like the corporations wanted to sell them for battlefield applications. Though I think the Eastern European campaign does have soldiers using Biological augmentation effectively.

 

[Fancy Clown]

I loved REmake HD, i.e. 'Not Tank Control' mode. I don't have the patience to wrangle with the controls, though I'd assume using a D-pad alleviates it compared to trying to use analog controlss.

Is 6 worth playing? I actually had fun with the Demo but I've heard that it's utter horseshit from people who's opinion I generally respect.

I think it's worth it to try to get used to the tank controls, they become second nature in no time, and yeah D-pad works great with them.

Sure, 6 is worth playing especially if you liked the demo. The campaigns are really hit or miss with a lot of shitty stuff, and the story is super dumb even by Resident Evil standards, but the mechanics are fun and there are some high points in there.

 

[Jackpot]

What i mean is, what did Spencer, Marcus and Ashford originally want when they established Umbrella

Spencer wanted immortality and godhood, which Wesker decided to take over.

Marcus had an obsession with his leeches but overall rather small ambitions.

Edward and Alexander Ashford wanted to restore the Ashford legacy to its original power.

Alexia Ashford did it for the sheer joy of exercising her mind and constructing a perfect personal world with her and her ants.

It basically divides into 3 categories for any antagonist:

• Sell BOWs for profit and power
• Grand scheme to conquer the world
• Disappear into your own obsession in pursuit of perfection and madness

 

[Anung]

I still think the Bad Ending Path > Good Ending Path.

Scene with Zoe on the boat is a bit more enjoyable than with Mia, the boss fight you have with Mia on the ship on the bad ending path I think is an actually well done 'touching' fight which made me like Mia a bit more, and I think the ending alteration is a bit more appropriate conclusion for the game.

I also agree. I think picking Mia makes more logical sense for the plot and picking Zoe makes a lot of plot holes but that fight, the tone and the ending make it worth it.

 

[Neff]

RE7 really needed a good villain.

 

[WolfTime]

has there been any talk about the potential connections between the Molded and the Uroboros

 

[brandonh83]

RE7 really needed a good villain.

Thought it had several though the meaning of the word is a bit loose here.

 

[Alienous]

has there been any talk about the potential connections between the Molded and the Uroboros

I don't think so. Is there much of a connection? I thought there were more similarities with Las Plagas, such as leaving hosts relatively human-like and enabling mind control.

Thought it had several though the meaning of the word is a bit loose here.

I thought so, but thinking about it, I'm not sure I'd consider someone like Jack Backer a villain. Antagonists sure, but as far as villains go it's Lucas and Eveline. People who have a purposeful evil intention.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

After getting the Platinum i still have a few questions

Why would Eveline give the serum ingredients to the family instead of destroying it? A file said Eveline gave it to Margarete as a gift but it just seems really silly to have your one weakness available in the house

Also did it explain why things all of a sudden went to shit on the boat? Mia's partner said it was his fault but i guess i missed what he did wrong

Why did Umbrella just happen to show up the morning after Ethan arrived?

Maybe i didnt pay enough attention to the files.

 

[Jerrod]

Dude, RE1 had Zombie Sharks. They were always a lolevil corporation.

It doesn't seem like the companies in RE7 are original games Umbrella though. Probably some spin-off or competitor.

Curious though, are there any instances in the REverse of Bioweapons working as intended? There seems to be much more 'catastrophic failures' than cases of their usage as effective weapons of war.

Tyrant was what they wanted, but it only worked on like .01% of the population and everybody else just turned into zombies. Hunters were successful. G-virus may or may not have been working as intended but we only ever see its affect on Birkin. Most instances though are Umbrella testing the virus on anything and everything or it infecting organisms by accident because of outbreaks, had there been more research there might have been more successes.

After getting the Platinum i still have a few questions

Why would Eveline give the serum ingredients to the family instead of destroying it? A file said Eveline gave it to Margarete as a gift but it just seems really silly to have your one weakness available in the house

Also did it explain why things all of a sudden went to shit on the boat? Mia's partner said it was his fault but i guess i missed what he did wrong

Why did Umbrella just happen to show up the morning after Ethan arrived?

Maybe i didnt pay enough attention to the files.

Most of that isn't explained. I think the only thing you can infer is through the PC in the salt mines and somebody (Lucas?) was in contact with an outsider who was helping him stay free of Eveline's control, probably was this new Umbrella which would explain why they showed up at just the right time. A lot is probably left vague for DLC.

 

[Jawmuncher]

RE7 really needed a good villain.

Jack could have been that villain had they kept him until the end. He was great when he was around.

 

[Astral Dog]

Well, I'm talking about story-wise. "Hey look, it's a dude who was in Resident Evil 1 - these games are connected!", because outside of that moment there isn't really anything tying RE7 to the rest of the franchise narratively.

The gameplay is classic Resident Evil, but I'm sure the same could be said about some indie games - that alone doesn't make a 'Resident Evil' game. Feeling narratively connected to the rest of the games is a part feeling like Resident Evil.

We could say old characters don't neccessarily make Redident Evil a Resident Evil.

RE7 without "Chris" cameo at the end would still have been unmistakibly Redident Evil

Jack could have been that villain had they kept him until the end. He was great when he was around.

Damn how i missed jack when he died
For all the marketing focuding on him he barely makes a giant monster.

There could have been one or two more memorable encounters with him killing him in gruesome ways

 

[100%TrophyMaster]

Finally got through Ethan must die mode today (bless the stars). Way harder than any main game trophy. Still have to complete Nightmare in Dulvey to finish the DLC trophies. Any tips for completing it?

 

[Alienous]

After getting the Platinum i still have a few questions

Why would Eveline give the serum ingredients to the family instead of destroying it? A file said Eveline gave it to Margarete as a gift but it just seems really silly to have your one weakness available in the house

Also did it explain why things all of a sudden went to shit on the boat? Mia's partner said it was his fault but i guess i missed what he did wrong

Why did Umbrella just happen to show up the morning after Ethan arrived?

Maybe i didnt pay enough attention to the files.

The gift Eveline gave Margarete wasn't supposed to be the serum ingredients, I don't think. I thought it was the name the Bakers had given the infecton. As far as the serum ingredients the way I understand it is that Lucas had received them from Tentsu, the organization behind Eveline, to synthesize his own serum (he isn't controlled by Eveline in the game), and I assumed he had hid them around. But I'm not sure.

I don't think the game explains why the boat situation occured, but I believe the implication was that she disliked Alan (Alan says "that bitch never liked me", or something like that) and attacked him. Weak, I know.

Umbrella seems to have been scouting the Bakers for awhile. I believe their are photos the Bakers (maybe Zoe) took of the helicopter, so they might have been keeping an eye on them for awhile and only intervined when the situation exploded.

We could say old characters don't neccessarily make Redident Evil a Resident Evil.

RE7 without "Chris" cameo at the end would still have been unmistakibly Redident Evil

I'd disagree, especially when it's called 'Resident Evil 7'.

Up until the Chris cameo, and a few easter eggs, Resident Evil 7 could have been a really good Resident Evil inspired indie game. Narrative ties are a big part of feeling like part of a franchise, especially as gameplay is prone to change. The only franchise exempt from that is Final Fantasy, I think.

 

[Jawmuncher]

We could say old characters don't neccessarily make Redident Evil a Resident Evil.

RE7 without "Chris" cameo at the end would still have been unmistakibly Redident Evil

I'll disagree with that just as a conversation piece. Since once again it goes back to what you want out of RE. Since "unmistakenly" resident evil is different for all. If I played the entire game oblivious of the RE notes and such. I would not have completed the game saying "it was RE.

Doesn't matter though. It is what it is. It doesn't need it, but I personally wouldn't have minded a bit more connection.

 

[kirblar]

The gift Eveline gave Margarete wasn't supposed to be the serum ingredients, I don't think. I thought it was the name the Bakers had given the infecton. As far as the serum ingredients the way I understand it is that Lucas had received them from Tentsu, the organization behind Eveline, to synthesize his own serum (he isn't controlled by Eveline in the game), and I assumed he had hid them around. But I'm not sure.

I don't think the game explains why the boat situation occured, but I believe the implication was that she disliked Alan (Alan says "that bitch never liked me", or something like that) and attacked him. Weak, I know.

Umbrella seems to have been scouting the Bakers for awhile. I believe their are photos the Bakers (maybe Zoe) took of the helicopter, so they might have been keeping an eye on them for awhile and only intervined when the situation exploded.

Everything out in the mines was stuff only Lucas was aware of.

 

[Astral Dog]

I'll disagree with that. Since once again it goes back to what you want out of RE. Since "unmistakenly" resident evil is different for all. If I played the entire game oblivious of the Light RE notes and such. I would not have completed the game saying "it was unmistakenigly" RE. Since I consider more than just resource management and item boxes RE.

St thr same time 7 is a biy more than resource managment and item boxes,old,dilapidated house with vague puzzles,safe rooms with eerie music. Weird mutated like monsters,diaries,high tech weapons,etc.

Capcom tried to make a Resident Evil here no doubt

 

[Astral Dog]

The gift Eveline gave Margarete wasn't supposed to be the serum ingredients, I don't think. I thought it was the name the Bakers had given the infecton. As far as the serum ingredients the way I understand it is that Lucas had received them from Tentsu, the organization behind Eveline, to synthesize his own serum (he isn't controlled by Eveline in the game), and I assumed he had hid them around. But I'm not sure.

I don't think the game explains why the boat situation occured, but I believe the implication was that she disliked Alan (Alan says "that bitch never liked me", or something like that) and attacked him. Weak, I know.

Umbrella seems to have been scouting the Bakers for awhile. I believe their are photos the Bakers (maybe Zoe) took of the helicopter, so they might have been keeping an eye on them for awhile and only intervined when the situation exploded.



I'd disagree, especially when it's called 'Resident Evil 7'.

Up until the Chris cameo, and a few easter eggs, Resident Evil 7 could have been a really good Resident Evil inspired indie game. Narrative ties are a big part of feeling like part of a franchise, especially as gameplay is prone to change. The only franchise exempt from that is Final Fantasy, I think.

They were going to dangerous places with that boy Jake and his girlfriend becoming the new protagonists and new villains "Ada" and Derek causing global outbreaks everywhere.
Maybe they needed to start fresh a bit.

Anyways we dtill have that Alex Wesker tie with the molded on the manga i wonder when she is going to come back

 

[Jawmuncher]

St thr same time 7 is a biy more than resource managment and item boxes,old,dilapidated house with vague puzzles,safe rooms with eerie music. Weird mutated like monsters,diaries,high tech weapons,etc.

Capcom tried to make a Resident Evil here no doubt

I edited my post a bit more. But yeah that isn't wrong. They definitely did go to roots for an RE game, when it comes to influence. But I know for me personally gameplay elements is less meaningful to me for what RE is. So in that regard the game could easily disguise itself as something else in that element.

That isn't a bad thing either though. RE4 is much the same way. If you played that game not knowing it was RE, it's easy to miss its connection.

For both 4 and 7, I think a big part of that is in a way these games are more "side stories" in a sense. They're self contained. So that always kind of happens with that.

In still curious what they do with RE8. I could see that being like RE5 and inserting more of the past games lore into it. Which is fine by me, since that's part of why I enjoyed 5 over 4.

 

[mercenar1e]

When Ethan headed towards the salt mines Umbrella was at the house so why didn't they run into Eveline?

 

[How About No]

When Ethan headed towards the salt mines Umbrella was at the house so why didn't they run into Eveline?

She was really good at hiding in that attic I guess

What chance do highly trained soldiers have against locked doors and electronically lowering stairs??

I edited my post a bit more. But yeah that isn't wrong. They definitely did go to roots for an RE game, when it comes to influence. But I know for me personally gameplay elements is less meaningful to me for what RE is. So in that regard the game could easily disguise itself as something else in that element.

That isn't a bad thing either though. RE4 is much the same way. If you played that game not knowing it was RE, it's easy to miss its connection.

For both 4 and 7, I think a big part of that is in a way these games are more "side stories" in a sense. They're self contained. So that always kind of happens with that.

In still curious what they do with RE8. I could see that being like RE5 and inserting more of the past games lore into it. Which is fine by me, since that's part of why I enjoyed 5 over 4.

I'd be ok if either RE8 or the next FP game backtracked a bit and took place in Raccoon City again just to have all the cool old tropes and monsters

Spoiler

and maybe VR Outbreak reboot

 

[Jawmuncher]

It'd be pretty sick if chris has a Brainer in his DLC. Umbrella Corps might not have been a good game, but in terms of setting up Umbrella Operatives. The game had a lot of cool ideas.

 

[Gekzee]

I'll disagree with that just as a conversation piece. Since once again it goes back to what you want out of RE. Since "unmistakenly" resident evil is different for all. If I played the entire game oblivious of the RE notes and such. I would not have completed the game saying "it was RE.

Doesn't matter though. It is what it is. It doesn't need it, but I personally wouldn't have minded a bit more connection.

My opinion is that the RE universe at this point is such utter schlock, no connection between the games is a good thing. I honestly think the devs laid off the connections just to distance it from the craziness of the rest of the franchise. Maybe the next game will plunge back into that stuff, but I'm pretty sure public opinion will turn against the franchise for it again.

RE7 should really have been a reboot for the franchise, it would be so easy to make this game the starting point for something great.

 

[Neff]

Jack could have been that villain had they kept him until the end. He was great when he was around.

I love Jack to bits but I don't really consider him a villain as such. His actions aren't his own and he's clearly upset by the things he's done.

The lack of a character wilfully pulling the strings and being accountable for RE7's horrific events really hurts it imo.

 

[Astral Dog]

I love Jack to bits but I don't really consider him a villain as such. His actions aren't his own and he's clearly upset by the things he's done.

The lack of a character wilfully pulling the strings and being accountable for RE7's horrific events really hurts it imo.

Eveline is pure evil Neff,don't let her false appaerance fool you

 

[dlauv]

Eveline is just as much a victim as the others.

 

[Orochinagis]

I love Jack to bits but I don't really consider him a villain as such. His actions aren't his own and he's clearly upset by the things he's done.

The lack of a character wilfully pulling the strings and being accountable for RE7's horrific events really hurts it imo.

Ethan was like super dissapointed in the ending , I saved Mia despite being tortured and lose my limbs so yay I guess

 

[Gekzee]

I love Jack to bits but I don't really consider him a villain as such. His actions aren't his own and he's clearly upset by the things he's done.

The lack of a character wilfully pulling the strings and being accountable for RE7's horrific events really hurts it imo.

There wasn't really a character like that in the original RE though, not even in RE2 or 3. You could point to Wesker but back then he was more of an opportunist taking advantage of a situation he happened to be in the know about and you only learn he's a bad guy at the very end. Birkin caused the Raccoon outbreak but he sort of did it unwillingly. RE3 is just more of the Raccoon incident, Nikolai was ordered to gather data but he caused nothing. You had interested parties in all of these games, but none were moustache twirling villains who caused everything for an evil reason. Even Umbrella wasn't out-right evil, I guess in till RE3 at least, releasing Nemesis to kill the S.T.A.R.S members was the most villainous thing they did.

Eveline is just as much a victim as the others.

To me she is a villain, she's also a victim but her actions in the game are villainous, also she is clearly pulling all the strings.

 

[Neff]

Eveline is pure evil Neff,don't let her false appaerance fool you

True, but she was made that way.

It honestly feels like RE7's team looked at Lisa Trevor and decided to make Tragic Antagonist - The Game.

I like blame-worthy irredeemably unwholesome pantomine villains in my RE.

There wasn't really a character like that in the original RE though, not even in RE2 or 3.

Wesker, Birkin and Irons all committed deliberate acts of straight up villainy with dire consequences for many, many people.

You have a point about RE3, but again I think the lack of a strong villain is something which hurts it.

Even Umbrella wasn't out-right evil, I guess in till RE3 at least, releasing Nemesis to kill the S.T.A.R.S members was the most villainous thing they did.

Did we play the same games?

 

[Astral Dog]

True, but she was made that way.

It honestly feels like RE7's team looked at Lisa Trevor and decided to make Tragic Antagonist - The Game.

I like blame-worthy irredeemably unwholesome pantomine villains in my RE.

She like is that girl from the ring (Marissa something) that everybody thought she would be happy and at peace when she found her mommy but NOPE,she is like fuck im going to kill you anyways 😈

 

[Gekzee]

Wesker, Birkin and Irons all committed deliberate acts of straight up villainy with dire consequences for many, many people.

You have a point about RE3, but again I think the lack of a strong villain is something which hurts it.

Sure, but you said you wanted a villain how pulled the strings and was accountable for all of the events. None of those characters are that. I guess Birkin might, but the T-virus literally just split out randomly as he was killing the Umbrella agents.

 

[Alienous]

Eveline wants Ethan to become her dad so Mia will be her mom, but it seems like the first thing she tells Mia to do ("I can hear her in my head") was to kill Ethan.

Eveline is a dolt.

 

[Dusk Golem]

True, but she was made that way.

It honestly feels like RE7's team looked at Lisa Trevor and decided to make Tragic Antagonist - The Game.

I like blame-worthy irredeemably unwholesome pantomine villains in my RE.

To be fair, that's Lucas.

 

[brandonh83]

What they did with Jack was a lot better than typical shit. The real villains of this series are still basically behind the curtains like Spencer. Wesker, Marcus, etc have just been tools.

 

[Gekzee]

Eveline wants Ethan to become her dad so Mia will be her mom, but it seems like the first thing she tells Mia to do ("I can hear her in my head") was to kill Ethan.

Eveline is a dolt.

The molded clearly have no issue with killing Mia on the tanker whilst Eveline still thinks they're going to be a family. They might have a mind of their own, but you'd expect Eveline to do something about that in the least, yet she doesn't and doesn't seem to care.

I guess gameplay reasons and plot reasons have to be overlooked though when they contradict each other.

I don't know why Eveline couldn't just settle with the Bakers as her family, bringing in Ethan seems counter productive. I guess we're meant to assume it's dumb kid logic driving her.

 

[Mindman]

So what happened to Lucas anyway?