Super Mario World is still the best platformer ever. Nothing comes close.
What counts as "retro"?
Anything up to and including last generation but the look of it (Fallout 3, GTA V, etc.)
Anything up to and including last generation but the look of it (Fallout 3, GTA V, etc.)
Pac-Man is a sentimental favorite of mine, with its unforgettable maze (which I can still draw by heart), cast of characters, timeless music/sound effects, intermissions, and steady, ramped-up difficulty.I'll never understand the Pac-Man > Ms. Pac-Man opinion.
74) Metroid Prime
73) Elder Scrolls IV : Oblivion
20) Half-Life 2
17) Elder Scrolls V : Skyrim
PC gaming is pretty underrepresented, especially from a retro gaming viewpoint, beyond obvious choices like Half-Life, Doom and Elite.
You're looking for the wrong kind of PC game I think
144) Another World
138) Frontier: Elite II
136) Duke Nukem 3D
135) The Lords of Midnight
126) Flashback
123) Head over Heels
121) Civilization II
120) Cannon Fodder
119) System Shock
118) Command and Conquer Red Alert
114) Kick Off 2
112) Chaos
107) 3D Deathchase
106) Elder Scrolls III : Morrowind
105) Syndicate
104) Impossible Mission
102) Jetpac
98) Civilization IV
96) Portal 2
90) World of Warcraft
88) Quake
81) Turrican II
80) Command & Conquer
73) Elder Scrolls IV : Oblivion
65) UFO : Enemy Unknown (XCOM UFO Defence)
62) Civilization
61) Portal
59) Paradroid
56) Dungeon Master
55) Jet Set Willy
52) Star Wars : Knights of the Old Republic
51) Sensible Soccer
50) Doom II
49) Deus Ex
46) Lemmings
45) Speedball 2 : Brutal Deluxe
44) Sensible World of Soccer
39) Half Life
35) Monkey Island 2 : Lechuck's Revenge
30) Manic Miner
29) Fallout 3
21) Elite
20) Half-Life 2
19) Secret of Monkey Island
17) Elder Scrolls V : Skyrim
8) Doom
There are quite a few, but a lot are uk-centric stuff from the speccy/amiga days.
I think he is meaning IBM PC (DOS, Windows) not generally personal computer. Many of the listed games are Amiga, C64 or Spectrum games.
I agree with your assessment of Xenogears.
I pretty much thought it was everything bad about JRPGs- overly sentimental, silly plot, bloated anime excess, overlong, meandering, excessive and pointless filler- all amped up to the max. It's one of those games that gets overrated because it's by Square, on a popular console and came out during the golden age of RPGs.
The same is true of Secret of Mana and Super Mario RPG.
You know what really upset me? Shining Force made the top 100 in 2004, and didn't receive even a single vote this time.150 titles and not a single Shining title in the mix.
What a mess list.
You know what really upset me? Shining Force made the top 100 in 2004, and didn't receive even a single vote this time.
Trust me, I counted every single one of the bloody things.
Dunno if I can get behind GTA5, Skyrim, Mass Effect on a 'retro' list.
SMW has far more imagination and better control than NSMBU. Also, nothing at all rose-colored about SMK. That game remains amazing to this day. At least you were right about one game, FFVI.NSMBU actually surpassed it and then some. Sadly, most people either overlooked it because they were disappointed it wasn't 3D Mario. It's a shame, really.
Also, Super Mario Kart at #12 is a complete joke. Take off the rose-colored glasses. The AI in that game is some of the worst in history. The CPU racers take the EXACT SAME LINE every race.
Plus, as much as I love Wind Waker, it has zero business being above Final Fantasy VI. Overall good list, though.
Having DKC instead of DKC2 is like having Uncharted instead of Uncharted 2
why
"Retro Gamer Magazine". Multiplayer hasn't really been a significant thing except for the last 10-15 years or so. So the userbase would be a lot greater than gamers who have strictly been playing in the 2000s.Why do these lists always leave out multiplayer games? I guess it's because of the userbase of the magazine this time.
no lies detected. g/s is the inferior game.Pokemon Gold/Silver way below Pokemon Red/Blue?
This. I feel like Euro gaming history gets forgotten about. For instance, I don't know anyone who had a NES, but loads who owned a C64 or Speccy, even BBC Micros and Amstrads.. but not a NES. I knew someone who had a Master System though. Again, Mega Drive seemed to dominate in the 16 bit console wars here, but even then Amiga was a much bigger force to be reckoned with. Amiga was irresistible at the time, it did more than just play games, but the games were a fifth of the price of their console counterparts (and you could always copy them from your mates too.. naughty), but that was the era. And if you weren't gaming on your Amiga you were making music with OctaMED or drawing amazingly detailed and colourful cocks with Deluxe Paint.Anecdotally, I only knew one person with a SNES at that time in the UK. And he worked on the oil rigs. The Genesis was far more prevalent among my friends, but even then it was 4 or 5. Everyone else had C64/Spectrum/Amiga/Atari STs, so that's why there's Turrican and not Metroid for instance.
We received votes for Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles and Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and I counted each of those three as unique entries. Neither of the individual games came close to making the top 150 but the combined game obviously did make it.Btw, did you make the decision to combine the Sonic 3/S&K votes yourselves, or did people actually write in for "Sonic 3 & Knuckles"? Curious about how many people regard them as one game.
SMW has far more imagination and better control than NSMBU. Also, nothing at all rose-colored about SMK. That game remains amazing to this day. At least you were right about one game, FFVI.
We received votes for Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles and Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and I counted each of those three as unique entries. Neither of the individual games came close to making the top 150 but the combined game obviously did make it.
I'm disappointed in my apparent lack of knowledge on pre-DOS PC games. Never even heard of Chuckie Egg, Lords of Midnight, Head over Heels, 3D Deathchase, and Paradroid. Great list though. You guys also sold me on buying some of the older copies of the magazine, that SNES/Genesis issue is mine!
Space Invaders wasn't even good. It's only useful for the IP that had some good games made out of it.