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RIP 60Gb PS3 -- Now confirmed by Kaz

Lince said:
is this also limited?

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available today in Spain (599€)
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Some people don't want a bundle with games that they don't interrested in. They want a ps3 with 2 controllers at 499 or 449 or 399.
 
MickeyKnox said:
What's going on with Sony and the PS3 pricing issue is absolutely what I discussed at length earlier in the thread, (80gb WILL be the main SKU @ $499 without Motorstorm when the 60s are gone.) HOWEVER, the thing worth discussing is what exactly is going on with this interview. It's one of two things:

1. A completely retarded and miopic response to questions the European public will be asking on the part of Reeves which wasn't run through the proper channels internally. Basically an internal console war within Sony and the two markets, with Reeves (and this is why I called it retardedly miopic) basically telling his consumers that "oh no, the US isn't really getting a better deal, their price cut is going to dissapear at the end of the month so please continue buying." Without thinking that it might have a negative effect on the company across the pond.

2. It's a completely deliberate move by Sony to make people think that they had better get the 60gb at $499 while they can since it's going to be disappearing soon, effectively placing an invisible threat out there that if you don't buy a PS3 now you will have to pay $100 more for it, hypothetically increasing demand.


Now, we will be able to better gauge the actual intent of this based on how SCEA responds to it.
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I'm leaning towards #1...

I think it's hard to drive demand on a 3rd place product (only counting 2 of the machines outselling if of course) by threatening to increase the price.
 
I remember something about a Bluetooth request in some FCC doc for the 80GB.

Does anyone think this means the Bluetooth connectivity has been improved on the 80GB?

If so, that would be an advantage over the 60B. However, I don't hear much about Bluetooth controller problems, so maybe they are not that bad on the 60GB?
 
Sapapayo said:
At the moment, we have clues about it, you said you want a confirmation of your theory of 80go = 499, then kaz said that thing.
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Maybe it was a mistranslation?
 
I don't really see much of a problem. Is this no different from yesterday? Did all of the 60GB PS3's suddenly disappear from stores? Are you now not able to buy one this year?

There are still ~1.3 million 60GB models in stock at $499. You're going to be able to find one easily through to the end of the year. So if you actually wanted one at that price, this news shouldn't affect you at all. It's still going to be there all this year. You're still going to be able to buy one.

On the other hand, if you wanted the PS3 at $399, this isn't going to change anything. Price of manufacturing didn't just jump, it's still the same as it was before this news. It's still going to get to $399 at the same time it was before. Sony were never going to still make the 60GB at $399 and 80GB at $499 when the cost of making the two is the same.

The stupid decision was having a console this expensive in the first place. But that's done, they have to live with it. Right now they're focusing on losing as a little money as possible before getting the price down and this is how they're doing it. There's no point in them reducing their price so much that they can't sustain their business, that wouldn't benefit anyone, well maybe the competition. But right now they're just juggling around the SKUs until they're really ready to drop the price.
 
Aggelos said:
How do you define soon??? If you live in the states youn can buy a PS3 for $500. There are 1.2+ million available.




Guys I have this question for ya: What are you going to do if Sony comes in December or somethin' and says "Hy guys, we are introducing a new 120GB PS3 model next month for $550. In the meantime we are discontinuing production of the 80GB model & we are making a special offer/"price cut"-> $450 while stock lasts!!"??
Are you going to buy one???
If you do, then why are you stil postin' in this thread???
If you don't, then you can curse Sony to your heart's content!!!!!
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Don't pay attention, it's a tactic from the usual suspects so that they can troll more efficiently. First they LOL at Reeves' "60GB PS3 will be sold out by the end of July" sentence but then they'll completely ignore that and start screaming SIX HUNDREND DOLLARS in every thread even though the 500$ one is available for purchase.

Now if someone wants to complain about Europe he's totally welcome.
 
Where do we go from here?...I told you about Sony's arrogance
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Arrogance ? :lol
For god's sake, if they COULD lower the price, they WOULD have proceeded. Some people are just silly...They are taking massive costs as of now...What is modesty ? Committing seppuku ?
 
Aggelos said:
No Sony ain't retarded. 80GB without Motorstorm for $549 once the 60GB is sold out.
Afterwards price cut to $449 for 80GB and introduction of new model (120GB?) for $549. So gradually and throught many procedures you got $50 price for PS3 in 2007. Sony ain't stupid....
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Chad? Chad is that you?
 
Sapapayo said:
At the moment, we have clues about it, you said you want a confirmation of your theory of 80go = 499, then kaz said that thing.
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Go back and READ my earlier posts.
Only an idiot would tell his prospective consumers that a price cut on the new model is coming when you have it at a higher price and another less featured model out for the same price point.

Let's also clarify one thing here. We are all (myself included) making assumptions as to what is going to happen to the PS3 bundle pack once the 60gig is no longer readily available. But for me it's like being asked: what's going to happen next after Joe takes out his fishing rod? I would assume that Joe is going fishing, Joe however could also pull his pants down and shove said fishing rod up his ass.

So is it possible that the stand alone PS3 will be $599 come Christmas, yes it's possible but so is the idea of a $799 PS3. Does that make it very plausible? no.
 
Mojo said:
I don't really see much of a problem. Is this no different from yesterday? Did all of the 60GB PS3's suddenly disappear from stores? Are you now not able to buy one this year?

There are still ~1.3 million 60GB models in stock at $499. You're going to be able to find one easily through to the end of the year. So if you actually wanted one at that price, this news shouldn't affect you at all. It's still going to be there all this year. You're still going to be able to buy one..
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It's also likely that once the 60Gb disappears that they're going to rinse and repeat with a barebones 80Gb at $500 and a new bundle at $600. After all, by the time the 60Gb disappears it will be Christmas and they'll have to do it.
 
MickeyKnox said:
Go back and READ my earlier posts.
Only an idiot would tell his prospective consumers that a price cut on the new model is coming when you have it at a higher price and another less featured model out for the same price point.

Let's also clarify one thing here. We are all (myself included) making assumptions as to what is going to happen to the PS3 bundle pack once the 60gig is no longer readily available. But for me it's like being asked: what's going to happen next after Joe takes out his fishing rod? I would assume that Joe is going fishing, Joe however could also pull his pants down and shove said fishing rod up his ass.

So is it possible that the stand alone PS3 will be $599 come Christmas, yes it's possible but so is the idea of a $799 PS3. Does that make it very plausible? no.
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You're just damage controlling yourself. I don't like your attitude because :

- You said sony will say this is false, and blablabla locked thread : then claiming you are right

or

- Sony confirms it, then : it's a strategy "you are right again".

...
 
fortified_concept said:
Don't pay attention, it's a tactic from the usual suspects so that they can troll more efficiently. First they LOL at Reeves' "60GB PS3 will be sold out by the end of July" sentence but then they'll completely ignore that and start screaming SIX HUNDREND DOLLARS in every thread even though the 500$ one is available for purchase.

Now if someone wants to complain about Europe he's totally welcome.
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dude, you just dont get it... IT IS $600!!!!!

(once supply of 60 GB runs dry, which tretton said they will have "plenty" going into holiday season, but shhhh, IT IS $600!!!!)
 
Sapapayo said:
You're just damage controlling yourself. I don't like your attitude because :

- You said sony will say this is false, and blablabla locked thread : then claiming you are right

or

- Sony confirms it, then : it's a strategy "you are right again".

...
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:lol

Please point out exactly where I said that Sony will come out and either confirm or deny this explicitly.
 
Sapapayo said:
You're just damage controlling yourself. I don't like your attitude because :

- You said sony will say this is false, and blablabla locked tthread : then claiming you are right

or

- Sony confirms it, then : it's a strategy "you are right again".

...
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Noone is damage controlling because the 500$ is available for purchase right now and there's an actual price cut. There's no damage to control. If and when the 60GB model is sold out and Sony still hasn't dropped the price on the 80GB version then it'll be time for "damage control".
 
MickeyKnox said:
But for me it's like being asked: what's going to happen next after Joe takes out his fishing rod? I would assume that Joe is going fishing, Joe however could also pull his pants down and shove said fishing rod up his ass.
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You can try to spin and speculate as much as you want - but the fact is, that the interviews of Reeves and Kaz are the ones that will be in todays/tomorrows newspapers, and thus being communicated into the market. And this no good thing, no matter how you look at it.

Maj. PR Debaucle says hi!
 
Hammer24 said:
You can try to spin and speculate as much as you want - but the fact is, that the interviews of Reeves and Kaz are the ones that will be in todays/tomorrows newspapers, and thus being communicated into the market. And this no good thing, no matter how you look at it.

Maj. PR Debaucle says hi!
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It isn't a good thing? Really? So you mean the consumers will not rush to buy the 60GB version afraid that it'll soon be sold out? Or you think more sales is a negative result? Please expand on your logic.
 
If this is true and that the 80gig doesn't drop this fall, it's the dumbest move in the history of gaming. I mean, almost 32x level of dumb here.
 
Hammer24 said:
You can try to spin and speculate as much as you want - but the fact is, that the interviews of Reeves and Kaz are the ones that will be in todays/tomorrows newspapers, and thus being communicated into the market. And this no good thing, no matter how you look at it.

Maj. PR Debaucle says hi!
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To tell you the truth, PR nightmares such as this aren't really that big of a deal. MS's hardware mishaps are bigger, Sony's price tag was bigger, Nintendo's waggle was bigger.
 
Ranger X said:
If this is true and that the 80gig doesn't drop this fall, it's the dumbest move in the history of gaming. I mean, almost 32x level of dumb here.
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If this is true then in order for it to matter before the new year Sony will need to sell at almost double the rate they have for the console's life thus far. That's hardly dumb, and if it's not true then the faux WE'RE HAVING A FIRE SALE to get consumers motivated is the work of an evil genius.
 
DrXym said:
It's also likely that once the 60Gb disappears that they're going to rinse and repeat with a barebones 80Gb at $500 and a new bundle at $600. After all, by the time the 60Gb disappears it will be Christmas and they'll have to do it.
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I doubt they'll do it a 3rd time (at least not until mid-late 2008). They've said that PS3 sales have doubled since the price cut, so if they actually maintain that (160k each month from July), they're still going to have ~700,000 60GB models left to sell during the holiday season (November and December), as well as the 80GB models too. I think that's more than enough for this year.

I don't think we'll see a cut to the 80GB until early next year (Jan/Feb). By then, the manufacturing cost should be below $600 and they'll have more room to breathe.
 
fortified_concept said:
It isn't a good thing? Really? So you mean the consumers will not rush to buy the 60GB version afraid that it'll soon be sold out? Or you think more sales is a negative result? Please expand on your logic.
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And what will you say to people during fall if only the 80go SKU is for sell at 599 ? "You had to buy it ealier" ?
 
Man, I'm glad I early adopted so I don't have to worry about all this pricing shit.

More than made up the difference of any future price cuts in the amount of time that I've owned the PS3.

Jumping in late in the game has to be a headache because of this shit. Truly ridiculous.
 
holy shit the news is spreading fast. the ps3 was number one on amazon just a few days ago, its now plummeted out of the top 30
 
fortified_concept said:
It isn't a good thing? Really? So you mean the consumers will not rush to buy the 60GB version afraid that it'll soon be sold out? Or you think more sales is a negative result? Please expand on your logic.
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"Rush out" for a 500$ luxury item? No, not really. This price mark is still much to high for an impulse buy. Console sweet spot is still 199. OK, lets give the benefit of doubt and say its 249 for next gen. Yet still we´re talking double that amount.
If anything, this will keep people wait longer, until the sku chaos is sorted out, and the price is really coming down.
 
Hammer24 said:
You can try to spin and speculate as much as you want - but the fact is, that the interviews of Reeves and Kaz are the ones that will be in todays/tomorrows newspapers, and thus being communicated into the market. And this no good thing, no matter how you look at it.

Maj. PR Debaucle says hi!
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I'm not trying to "spin", I'm simply trying to figure out what's really going on. If it turns out that this was indeed meant to be taken at straight up face value then you can immediately add me to the "Sony utterly and completely looses this generation" list of posters. I just don't see Sony heading into this holiday season with a $600 base PS3, I know they've been ridiculous with their initial pricing structure, but this would be something far, far beyond the "599 DOLLARU!" debacle of last E3.
 
Sapapayo said:
And what will you say to people during fall if only the 80go SKU is for sell at 599 ? "You had to buy it ealier" ?
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I'm glad you're so worried about the future using big "ifs". What if there's a nuclear holocaust by the end of the year?

My point is the price drop is here and now. The usual suspects should stop being so "worried" about what will happen in the future. I seriously doubt Sony is so stupid to shout from the rooftops that the 60GB model is discontinued just to create negative buzz for themselves.
 
Hammer24 said:
"Rush out" for a 500$ luxury item? No, not really. This price mark is still much to high for an impulse buy. Console sweet spot is still 199. OK, lets give the benefit of doubt and say its 249 for next gen. Yet still we´re talking double that amount.
If anything, this will keep people wait longer, until the sku chaos is sorted out, and the price is really coming down.
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iPhone says "hey I cost even more and people rushed out to buy me... and still are".
 
Here is the Bluetooth stuff I was talking about:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/30/sony_hints_at_80gb_ps3/

Sony is to introduce an 80GB version of the PlayStation 3, documents filed earlier this month with the US Federal Communications Commission (FCC) reveal.

The single-page letter is a request that Sony be allowed to retain the wireless certification already obtained for the PS3 despite the addition of an alternative Bluetooth module. Sony maintains the new adaptor doesn't change the device's wireless characteristics.

So far, so technical. The crucial point comes at the end of the letter, where Sony reveals the new Bluetooth module will also be included in a new PS3 model, this one with the aforementioned 80GB HDD.
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So Sony says it does not change the device's wireless characteristics, but is it a stealth update?:

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/57482.html

The document lists several alterations, including one to the console's Bluetooth module with the addition of "the Reverse F antenna."
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If Bluetooth is improved, the question becomes which is more important, more robust wireless controller connectivity or the last extra % of backward compatibility? Again, I am not sure if the current Bluetooth connectivity is even that big of an issue to begin with, but it is interesting that they are going to the trouble of changing the antenna.
 
I honestly thought this was fake, then I skipped to the last page. I guess Sony really is shooting themselves in the foot. Again. And again. :lol :lol :lol :lol

But hey guys, omfg graphics omg Killzone MGS holy shit Sony omg PS3 am winner wowow right?
 
MickeyKnox said:
If it turns out that this was indeed meant to be taken at straight up face value
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That "if" is the point - its speculation. One could also argue, that Stringer is extremely determined to get Sony back to profitability, no matter at what cost. In that light he would surely refuse to price drop before manufacturing costs have really been coming down. And didn´t MS do a "convincing job" in not dropping their consoles price? The razor/blades business model is not counting anymore - if you ask Stringer.
 
Phoenix said:
iPhone says "hey I cost even more and people rushed out to buy me... and still are".
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The power of Apple. Sony should have Apple market their console. They could charge $1000 and it would still sell out.
 
I wonder if Sony realises how much EVERYONE is going to hate bullshit like this before they do it. I wonder if they sit their surprised to these reactions. I seriously cannot comprehend these decisions.
 
fortified_concept said:
I'm glad you're so worried about the future using big "ifs". What if there's a nuclear holocaust by the end of the year?

My point is the price drop is here and now. The usual suspects should stop being so "worried" about what will happen in the future. I seriously doubt Sony is so stupid to shout from the rooftops that the 60GB model is discontinued just to create negative buzz for themselves.
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Sony made some mistakes in the past, then it has resulted in negative buzz.

And actualy in europe, i see the 599 pack with two games as a mistake, because some people don't want these 2 games with the pack, some just want a ps3 at 499 euros for other games they can choose themself.
 
Sapapayo said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7031817&postcount=212

In response to

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7031665&postcount=121


Didn't you think the interview is shit, then confirmed to be shit, and finally locked ?

Sorry to think that about your statement.
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Reading comprehension...?

I was talking about the other huge thread we had on this when the 80gb SKU was announced Onix, myself and a few others tried to give our take on the situation, that it would be illogical to think that the 80gig PS3 would somehow stay at $599 when not bundled especially since each 80gb model costs less than a 60gb model to make. The thread got really ugly and was then locked. My initial response was because none of this was really "new" info, we all called the 60gb being phased out in the other thread.
 
There were hundred of posters waiting so patiently for this thread. They were like "aww, our press conference sucked and we barely got any new games... we have nothing to attack... OH WAIT! here's something to attack! MOUNT UP!"

It was going so well too. Anyways, to the point of this thread, I don't care, I own a PS3 anyways. You shouldn't care because if you were willing to buy a PS3 at 499, you would have bought it now or soon, and wouldn't need to worry about it being discontinued. If you want to buy it at 499 at christmas? I can almost guarantee you the new model will sell standalone for 499 before the holiday season.
 
Phoenix said:
iPhone says "hey I cost even more and people rushed out to buy me... and still are".
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But the iPhone is, just like the Wii, a social phenomenon surrounded with extremely positive buzz. PS3 (and 360 for that matter) clearly not.
 
MickeyKnox said:
Reading comprehension...?

I was talking about the other huge thread we had on this when the 80gb SKU was announced Onix, myself and a few others tried to give our take on the situation, that it would be illogical to think that the 80gig PS3 would somehow stay at $599 when not bundled especially since each 80gb model costs less than a 60gb model to make. The thread got really ugly and was then locked. My initial response was because none of this was really "new" info, we all called the 60gb being phased out in the other thread.
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I see, sorry for overreacting it.

I am european, and i want a ps3 but i can't afford 599 euros at the moment and i really want real "price drop". I don't undertsand why sony want to keep the "599 things" even in the USA.
 
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