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RIP 60Gb PS3 -- Now confirmed by Kaz
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DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
gkrykewy said:
That is a bit insulting. I would never put that heat generating, inherently defective piece of shit under my PS3. Besides, my second X360 broke and I am currently waiting for a system that doesn't heat up like a Black and Decker toaster to appear in the retail channel so I can play my beloved Halo.
But Motorstorm, Resistance, F1, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, MLB The Show, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Warhawk, and a reliable system to play them on along wth Blu Ray discs like The Departed, Casino Royale, 300, and the magnificent Planet Earth makes it pretty damn easy to feel good about my PS3.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
So are we in agreement the drop wasn't a drop at all, but a Fire sale?
This much confusion in the marketplace isn't going to do Sony many favours. I expect that the 499 drop got people who were already going to take the plunge on the PS3 eventually to move, but the resurgence won't last long.
This much confusion in the marketplace isn't going to do Sony many favours. I expect that the 499 drop got people who were already going to take the plunge on the PS3 eventually to move, but the resurgence won't last long.
favouriteflavour
Member
Segata Sanshiro said:
250,000 a month globally right? july to november is 5 months of sales. With the current deals going on (100 off a 60 in USA, pack ins in europe) they could clear the inventory of 60 gig units by december. Doent leave much time though for people during the christmas rush month. Any kind of aggression from nintendo or MS could also through a spanner in the works.
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
Oh sure...Post this news just after I go to work so I have to come in on page 19 instead of getting in on the ground floor of this hilarity.
WTF Sony? WTF?
WTF Sony? WTF?
TheKingsCrown
Banned
QFTSegata Sanshiro said:
Souldriver
Member
Of course every price drops helps a bit, but 500 dollars still seems to be too much for the big public to buy a PS3.justjohn said:
Oh, and if you're talking about Amazon sales...I would be very careful when using that to prove higher sales.
Aggelos
Member
bud said:my hopes of it being 399 by the time mgs4 comes out just died a bit
I think they are dead.
You know what, there is beautiful thing about PS3 and it might sound crazy->
A majority of gamers are bitching about PS3's price. That's really good for Sony.
They are not bitching about the future games (in general I'd say the game catalogue of PS3). I mean after E3 '07 there are not many people saying: "Oh man, PS3 has the worst game catalogue in the entire history of game consoles!!!! PS3 games suck balls!!!!".
Also they are not bitching about the hardware by saying for instance "oh man, Sony spent billions of dollars to create such a shitty hardware?? They are pathetic, PS3 has the worst hardware of this gen!!!"
Generally they are not bitching about the internet service that Sony provides etc....etc....etc....
They are bitchin' mostly about the price and that means only one thing: many gamers really want a PS3, many gamers have a clear or implicit desire to acquire a PS3 but there is an significant obstacle in getting it (the price). There are many who say "If PS3 goes to $450-400 I'll buy it!", "PS3 for $400?! Hell yeah, I'm jumping in!" etc...
So Sony by doing all these stuff (discontinuing models-special offers, which you may call it retarded, stupid, etc) is saying to all of you "have patience and it will happen (the significant price drop)!" "Have faith on us and we are going to deliver!!" "Patience & faith is the key my dear customers, please bear that in mind." [/B]
So this major obstacle (price) that gamers have is going to disappear someday (not this year) and Sony knows that. Sony is aware that has one major obstacle presently but also knows that it
is resovable/soluble by time. The problem is clear/distinct/perspicuous, the objectives/goals are clear/perspicuous/distinct and Sony is concentrating on them with all their energy, SSony is working hard in order to provide solutions and to accomplish goals/objectives.
Therefore once the problem has been solved, PS3 will start to produce good sales, since the gamers want it but the price is preventing them from getting it.
It's LE. They want to get rid of the 60gb version, because the whole thing cost so much to produce, and 80gb drives are cheaper now.Yoboman said:
It would also be stupid to have nothing this holiday season as they rid themselves of the ~1million 60gb's that are left. Hence new sku.
They could easily drop the 80gb down to $549 this holiday season, to sell more, which makes it a better deal than the 60gb version and a hot holiday buy after the upcoming games.
They also can easily then introduce a standalone 80gb version at $499 with rumble and let the LE die off if it hasn't already.
Then have another price drop as the hardware refines later next year.
So people are assuming the head of SCEE knows what the hell he's talking about, when basically the entire corporate staff (not development) has been a group of ass clowns from the first day Phil Harrison left to head up first party games development?
Why? There's a good chance this moron only knows half of what's being planned.
Like a new PS3 SKU at $499.99 with Sixaxis Rumble in August for example. Ever think of that?
This sounds like a really convenient way to sell off the old for newer rumble + software emulation systems. Who knows, maybe they're even close to 65nm chips. But hey, I'm sure Sony really appreciates all the panic that'll clear the retail channel for them.
Why? There's a good chance this moron only knows half of what's being planned.
Like a new PS3 SKU at $499.99 with Sixaxis Rumble in August for example. Ever think of that?
This sounds like a really convenient way to sell off the old for newer rumble + software emulation systems. Who knows, maybe they're even close to 65nm chips. But hey, I'm sure Sony really appreciates all the panic that'll clear the retail channel for them.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
What is more fun right now at retail? Walking into a store and seeing a PS3 for $499.99 or looking at a stack of X360's at $399.99 and trying to find the one with a new enough manufacture date that may have the Cracker Jack treat of a bonus heat sink inside. Careful kids, don't shake the X360's! You might dislodge the GPU.
Aggelos said:
GAF =/= general public. You're right that everything about the PS3 is lovely aside from the price, but that's a substantial dealbreaker. Most people in the real world will only buy one system this gen, and by the time PS3 is cost-competitive, they'll probably already have done so.
DenogginizerOS said:
Dude, you are brutal. I get it - you like motorstorm and your 360 broke. This is just trollish bullshit.
favouriteflavour
Member
Aggelos said:
You are right, i want a PS3. However as time goes on and it remains too expensive for me to buy it I become more satisfied with just having my wii and 360. Eventually it gets to the point where I will bypass it altogether for the next generation of systems or buy a preowned PS3 with a bunch of preowned games. The trouble with a high cost of entry for something desirable is that its possible something else may grab peoples attention while they are waiting.
What I'm confused about is that their latest figures suggest there are well over 1 million units in the American channel right now. Their figures to March 31st (2.62m) are well above the sell through to May of 1.4m.
If Tretton expects the 'price cut' to double sales and Reeves expects there to be no 60GB unit by the end of the month, have there been no new 60GB units in a while? Have they been making EE'less US models since before March? (This in itself is not surprising since they've been making EE'less units for Europe in the same time frame) If many of these >1 million units are in fact the EE'less variety then that discounts the idea that they have a 'much better' profit margin as it would be unlikely they have 65nm components. What this then sets up is a scenario later in the year where they transition to lower cost components with a 'permanent' price cut. Of course, good luck with that idea...
If Tretton expects the 'price cut' to double sales and Reeves expects there to be no 60GB unit by the end of the month, have there been no new 60GB units in a while? Have they been making EE'less US models since before March? (This in itself is not surprising since they've been making EE'less units for Europe in the same time frame) If many of these >1 million units are in fact the EE'less variety then that discounts the idea that they have a 'much better' profit margin as it would be unlikely they have 65nm components. What this then sets up is a scenario later in the year where they transition to lower cost components with a 'permanent' price cut. Of course, good luck with that idea...
favouriteflavour
Member
crazy theory, did sony announce a price cut pre E3 to see if MS would follow suit and now that they havent this is a way of potentially limiting the reduction? ie 80 gig will go to 550 instead of 500 perhaps?
Ah, GAF. Bitch incessantly about the PS3 price, yet scoff at saving a Benjamin like it's as worthless to you as a scrap of toilet paper. Since when did "getting to this kind of money" suddenly make a 20% jump in price insignificant?GitarooMan said:
Incidently, I'm one of those people who was willing to buy the 500 dollar PS3 but not the 600 dollar one. At launch, it was clearly the better deal yet few others among PS3 buyers then seemed to feel the same. Seems to be this back asswards attitude that there's a point where asking 20% more becomes less and less significant and Sony seems to be willing to exploit that as long as they can.
ElectricBlue187
Member
I so called this in the other thread. I'm like the Nostradamus of video games consoles
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
gkrykewy said:
You were the one who brought up the X360. If you don't like my response, don't blame me. I was trying to point out the positive aspects of the PS3 and you accused me of "drinking the kool-aid".
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
Until they price themselves right out of the market.shantyman said:
...Oh wait...
McHuj
Member
I don't see why everyone is getting so upset. They'll be plenty of 60 GB units available until they sell out at retail, even at $499 I doubt it will happen this year. I can't see PS3 moving that many units (guessing that there is a surplus of over 2 million) without another price cut.
Sorry if this point has already been maid, but my guess is that they won't ship anymore 60 GB models to retailers after July, only 80 GB ones. The retail supply should care them over through the holiday.
Probably when MGS4 comes out, (my guess is March), there will be two SKUs 80GB at 399 with game and a 120GB with a game for $449.
Sorry if this point has already been maid, but my guess is that they won't ship anymore 60 GB models to retailers after July, only 80 GB ones. The retail supply should care them over through the holiday.
Probably when MGS4 comes out, (my guess is March), there will be two SKUs 80GB at 399 with game and a 120GB with a game for $449.
Ninja Kn1ght
Member
If sony get rid of the 60GB PS3 they'll replace it with something else at 499, maybe a straight price drop on the 80GB.
Saoh said:
They are doing this to keep manufacturing costs of the HDD down.
IIRC soon 80 GB HDDs will be cheaper to make than 60GB HDDs. So in order to keep the hard drives from being such a huge price burden they are going to have to flush out the existing channel for every upgrade they make. Also keep in mind the new 80 GB is being labeled a special edition, expect the normal edition to fall down to $499 as soon as the 60 GBs are gone.
TheKingsCrown
Banned
So there will be "infinite" slivers of time where one can get a PS3 for $499.Razoric said:
I think this strategy is questionable, however, because it still looks like a gimped system to the consumer. And it will likely confuse them. Your thoughts?
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
gkrykewy said:
Well then that is a compliment to Sony because I am not transcribing a press release when I say that, I am saying how I feel.
fortified_concept
Banned
DeaconKnowledge said:
Ummm... the drop was a drop and the fire sale is a fire sale.
As long as PS3 60GB exists it is a price drop.
Chiaroscuro
Member
Well, I only read like 6-7 pages of this madness thread, but that MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.
Interpretation 1: it is a clearence of the 60GB model, 80 GB will continue to sell with MS for US$ 599 after that. So price drop is a joke.
Interpretation 2: it is a clearence of the 60GB model, as soon it rans out (maybe a couple of months if they are lucky) they will introduce a barebone 80GB model for US$ 499. So the actual bundle with MS is a joke! Why buy it now? MotorStorn isn´t worth US$ 100. Wait a couple of months for the barebone and get MS cheaper (like US$ 40), saving more than $60.
Makes no sense no how you read it. They want to sell this thing or not? Any smart consumer will wait...
Interpretation 1: it is a clearence of the 60GB model, 80 GB will continue to sell with MS for US$ 599 after that. So price drop is a joke.
Interpretation 2: it is a clearence of the 60GB model, as soon it rans out (maybe a couple of months if they are lucky) they will introduce a barebone 80GB model for US$ 499. So the actual bundle with MS is a joke! Why buy it now? MotorStorn isn´t worth US$ 100. Wait a couple of months for the barebone and get MS cheaper (like US$ 40), saving more than $60.
Makes no sense no how you read it. They want to sell this thing or not? Any smart consumer will wait...
GitarooMan
Member
You made my point for me, 100 dollars certainly isn't worthless but I don't think that extra one hundred dollars was scaring most of the people off who were interested from buying a PS3 (otherwise don't you think Sony would have kept the 20GB around and more people would have bought it?). You can say you thought the 500 dollar one was a better value and that's a valid point, but had there been only a 600 dollar one at launch would you have not bought it? That's my only point.kaching said:
TheKingsCrown said:
I think the pricing will start taking a downward turn. The 80 GB version will soon be $499 and then dropped to $399 with the introduction of a $499 120 GB SE version. Then the 120 version will eventually become $399, then later dropped to $299 with the introduction of a $399 240 (?) GB SE version, and so on.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Can someone please post the article? pretty please? that site is blocked at work.
antoniogaud
Member
If Gaffers are confused by the pricing, can you imagine the general public's reaction? I doubt they know of Sony's eventual plan to phase out the $499, but I laso doubt they can distinguish the important difference between the 60 and 80 gig models ("So 20 extra gigs... what can they be used for? Game saves?")
I have a 20gig unit and an extended EB warranty so what happens if mine breaks? Do I get the 60gig as a replacement?
I have a 20gig unit and an extended EB warranty so what happens if mine breaks? Do I get the 60gig as a replacement?
ElectricBlue187
Member
Chiaroscuro said:
they obviously want you to THINK they're dropping the price without having to deal with the financial loss of ACTUALLY dropping the price
TheKingsCrown
Banned
Mmm, yeah I get this. What I don't get is what it gains for Sony in terms of installed base, since their installed base, bar some mass belief that PS3 has magically gotten cheaper since the $499 20 GB model, will likely grow at the same rate it has already, with bumps for major titles perhaps. In the end, Japan still rejects the machine and America is semi-luke warm.Razoric said: