ShockingAlberto
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A reasonable assessment would be that this is a disorganized, unprofessional mess.The Sphinx said:
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RIP 60Gb PS3 -- Now confirmed by Kaz
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dammitmattt
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jetjevons said:
No one really knows for sure and all numbers are pulled straight out of asses, but the number is probably somewhere between 500k-1m in the US.
:lol:lol :lol :lol
oh my sony, you ****ed up disgrace of a company, you ****ing had e3, and now you lost it.... i guess thats why the newspapers said you sucked hard at the show.... microsoft and nintendo will run laps around you this holiday season ten fold now, and you might still realign the cost of the ps3. WTF, WTF, WTF......
oh my sony, you ****ed up disgrace of a company, you ****ing had e3, and now you lost it.... i guess thats why the newspapers said you sucked hard at the show.... microsoft and nintendo will run laps around you this holiday season ten fold now, and you might still realign the cost of the ps3. WTF, WTF, WTF......
BenjaminBirdie
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jetjevons said:
It's a tough call. They could see a really phenomenal July and August with people trying to get the cheaper SKU before its gone, which would put up some nice numbers, but then it would leave them with another $599 holiday, which would really be disasterous, I think. Either way, it certainly won't last as long as they need it to.
But it's such a weird situation. It's like driving as fast as humanly possible into a brick wall. The speed (sales) is going to increase all the way through, but the faster you go, the quicker you're going to hit that wall, and the more damage you're going to do when you hit it (more time spent with only a $599 SKU). Very strange.
holy shit, i awaken from my drunken slumber and this is what i find? this thread is hilarious. and i use the word hilarious a lot but really....this is funny as hell. everyone's flipping out! you've got one side spinning so hard they'll be at the Earths core in a half-hour and the other side baiting them and egging them on....it's like some retarded game show on some retarded network run by retarded seals. i'm looking at my PS3 fund and i don't know what i'm going to do yet...should i scrap up and buy now or will the 80 gig drop to 499 thus making it better to wait? how the fuck should i know? good job Sony.
thread highlight: fortified_concept :lol f u c k i n g wow.
thread highlight: fortified_concept :lol f u c k i n g wow.
Do some people here really think that Sony is going to sell out the 60GB PS3 in 1-2 months? Really?
Okay, well let's do some math here. PS3s shipped by March to North America: 2.6 million. Now since then they've probably shipped a few hundred thousand more. Take away Canada and some other areas, and we'll just say roughly 2.7 million.
Now PS3 has sold a bit over 1.4 million in America. So we're left with around 1.3 million in stores, warehouses, etc.
Sony have said that PS3 sales have doubled since the price cut. So what if Sony consistently holds the 2x sales boost for the rest of this year?
July: 160,000
August: 160,000
September: 160,000
October: 160,000
And those would be pretty good sales for the PS3. Okay so it's getting to the holiday months, and we still have over half of the remaining stock left. ~660,000 more to sell.
November: 400,000
Which might be optimistic for the PS3, but it's close to what the 360 and Wii sold last November, and hey, if people are still buying them, then why not. This leaves us with:
December: 260,000 <-- 60GB stock runs out, 80GB takes over
So if they sell this well each month, then 60GB PS3 stock should last until the first week in December. This isn't even accounting for any 80GB PS3s being sold during this whole time. And keep in mind that this is still a $499 product, for it to sell as well as I've shown would be quite good, although if it doesn't sell as well as that, this would leave more stock to be sold in December. So basically, you should still be able to buy one up until the end of November, maybe longer.
That is, unless PS3 sells 3x as much as anything else and sells a massive 1.3 million consoles in July. :lol
Okay, well let's do some math here. PS3s shipped by March to North America: 2.6 million. Now since then they've probably shipped a few hundred thousand more. Take away Canada and some other areas, and we'll just say roughly 2.7 million.
Now PS3 has sold a bit over 1.4 million in America. So we're left with around 1.3 million in stores, warehouses, etc.
Sony have said that PS3 sales have doubled since the price cut. So what if Sony consistently holds the 2x sales boost for the rest of this year?
July: 160,000
August: 160,000
September: 160,000
October: 160,000
And those would be pretty good sales for the PS3. Okay so it's getting to the holiday months, and we still have over half of the remaining stock left. ~660,000 more to sell.
November: 400,000
Which might be optimistic for the PS3, but it's close to what the 360 and Wii sold last November, and hey, if people are still buying them, then why not. This leaves us with:
December: 260,000 <-- 60GB stock runs out, 80GB takes over
So if they sell this well each month, then 60GB PS3 stock should last until the first week in December. This isn't even accounting for any 80GB PS3s being sold during this whole time. And keep in mind that this is still a $499 product, for it to sell as well as I've shown would be quite good, although if it doesn't sell as well as that, this would leave more stock to be sold in December. So basically, you should still be able to buy one up until the end of November, maybe longer.
That is, unless PS3 sells 3x as much as anything else and sells a massive 1.3 million consoles in July. :lol
fatigues_gasolini
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Im suprised theres actual good sane discussions going on in this thread.
AdmiralViscen
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OK, I'm going to assume that Sony is somehow going to know with certainty that 60GBs are fully sold out by October or November, then they're going to rip off the 3-400,000 people who paid $600 for the 80GB by cutting its price to $500 in October or November.
BTW a November price cut is unprecedented.
BTW they won't know the 60GBs are gone unless they give it a few months, if they cut too soon they will have thousands of unsellable 60GBs.
BTW they wouldn't dick over all those people with a price drop after like 6 weeks.
BTW it's obvious that MS/Sony don't like losing more money on their consoles, and are trying to keep purchase prices as high as possible.
This is a great balance of userbase growth and not losing too much money:
-$500 SKU lasts until sometime in November (edit: or into December, see the post above me. my theory gets even better)
-$600 bundle keeps sales strong in Nov/Dec
-$Feb 2008, PS3 relaunch at $500 with 80GB and ShockAxis
And it makes perfect sense. Knock off the Shockaxis if you want.
Your line of thought requires the 60GBs to be sold out in the next 2 months. Do you really think that's reasonable? Even if you give them 3 months to sell out, that's probably a rate of 300-400k per month. You think you're being reasonable?
BTW a November price cut is unprecedented.
BTW they won't know the 60GBs are gone unless they give it a few months, if they cut too soon they will have thousands of unsellable 60GBs.
BTW they wouldn't dick over all those people with a price drop after like 6 weeks.
BTW it's obvious that MS/Sony don't like losing more money on their consoles, and are trying to keep purchase prices as high as possible.
This is a great balance of userbase growth and not losing too much money:
-$500 SKU lasts until sometime in November (edit: or into December, see the post above me. my theory gets even better)
-$600 bundle keeps sales strong in Nov/Dec
-$Feb 2008, PS3 relaunch at $500 with 80GB and ShockAxis
And it makes perfect sense. Knock off the Shockaxis if you want.
Your line of thought requires the 60GBs to be sold out in the next 2 months. Do you really think that's reasonable? Even if you give them 3 months to sell out, that's probably a rate of 300-400k per month. You think you're being reasonable?
fortified_concept
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jaypah said:
Ad hominem "arguments" are not welcome. Please refer to the post that made you "wow" or shut up. Thank you.
CrunchinJelly
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fortified_concept
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cjelly said:
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Mudhoney said:
Fixed
TheJollyCorner
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I just don't understand why they dropped the 20gig version.
They could have that damn thing @ $349- $399 for this holiday.
Leave the 60 or 80gigs to the extreme hardcore.
They could have that damn thing @ $349- $399 for this holiday.
Leave the 60 or 80gigs to the extreme hardcore.
BenjaminBirdie
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jetjevons said:
Yeah, that would be rough.
I think the direst outcome of this, is that all this confusion may just stall sales completely while people wait to see exactly they're actually planning to do, long term. Personally, I'm pretty disappointed that $400 seems that much further away this morning than it did last night.
AdmiralViscen
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Mojo said:
Sphinx owned.
Unless he expects 80GB and 60Gb to occupy the same price point, or a SECOND clearance price drop of the last 60GBs to something under $500. But he's not the one conjecturing!
TheJollyCorner said:I just don't understand why they dropped the 20gig version.
They could have that damn thing @ $349- $399 for this holiday.
Leave the 60 or 80gigs to the extreme hardcore.
Because it loses too much money. The same reason they're trying to hang on to $600 to this very day. And why MS won't come off of $300/400.
The tech in PS3 can't be reasonably sold for $400, regardless of how small the HDD is.
This thread should be about half this size. Most of this thread are just opportunists. This news is really just bad to those of us who were interested in the $500 pricepoint, and now have to rush, so to speak. I didn't think there were that many people interested in a $500 PS3 anyway.
What this does is forces me to buy one as soon as I move home. It's not a big deal, I had planned on it anyway. The way I saw it, I'll get one anyway, but now as least I'm getting in right after a price drop. But I was hoping this was a sustained price drop, b/c I'd like to know that I'll have a steady stream of online competition. I'm not much interested in Sony's bottom line, just mine.
But at like 3am, this thread appears. I'm pissed...at least I was. I think I'm fine now. Not much I can do anyway. I just didn't think they'd turn the screws this quickly. They should at least have feigned interest in keeping that price, but I guess they never planned for that.
Oh well. Before this, the complaints were that there wasn't really a price drop, and that it wouldn't do anything. Now the same people are gonna complain that the price drop being temporary is the worst thing Sony can do. The circle of life. PEACE.
What this does is forces me to buy one as soon as I move home. It's not a big deal, I had planned on it anyway. The way I saw it, I'll get one anyway, but now as least I'm getting in right after a price drop. But I was hoping this was a sustained price drop, b/c I'd like to know that I'll have a steady stream of online competition. I'm not much interested in Sony's bottom line, just mine.
But at like 3am, this thread appears. I'm pissed...at least I was. I think I'm fine now. Not much I can do anyway. I just didn't think they'd turn the screws this quickly. They should at least have feigned interest in keeping that price, but I guess they never planned for that.
Oh well. Before this, the complaints were that there wasn't really a price drop, and that it wouldn't do anything. Now the same people are gonna complain that the price drop being temporary is the worst thing Sony can do. The circle of life. PEACE.
dammitmattt
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AdmiralViscen said:
That makes a lot more sense than them dropping the price this fall in the middle of the shopping season....
fortified_concept said:
who the hell died and made you Pope of Jaypahland? just the essence of 'fortified_concept' is enough for a '"wow" comment at any given time in any given dimension so i don't have to refer to jack shit pally. i 'wow' at you because you are the most smug console fanatic i've ever run across. i'm not calling you an asshole, because you have stock in Sony so i can understand your plight. you own stock right?
Actually, its good of them to tell everyone now what the deal is, rather than waiting for all the 60GBs to be sold out and then be like "oops, sorry guys!" :lol
Honestly, they probably should have done it that way so I could witness once again another GAF meltdown. :lol
Also, can someone explain this whole EE being removed, software emulation business for the BC? Whats the difference/big deal?
Honestly, they probably should have done it that way so I could witness once again another GAF meltdown. :lol
Also, can someone explain this whole EE being removed, software emulation business for the BC? Whats the difference/big deal?
BenjaminBirdie
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dammitmattt said:
(I may be about to get punked here but) Wouldn't it make more sense to make a move like this around Black Friday? Sell like two million PS3s in like a day? Now they're just all but guaranteeing a $600 holiday.
Uhhh... No? When did I say the 60GB has to be sold out in two months? In fact, I think my first post (maybe the second) in this thread said it would certainly take MORE than two months to sell out of 60GB.AdmiralViscen said:
And they're not ripping anyone off, not any more than you're ever ripped off when the price of a product drops. I don't see the logic behind your statement AT ALL. Hell, I bought a 60GB PS3 early in June, and if I hadn't returned it to Best Buy because I heard rumors of the upcoming price drop I would have been "ripped off". But I'm not pissed off by that because I'm a big boy, I know that the price of products change.
AdmiralViscen
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The Sphinx said:
How do you suggest that the 80GB will drop to $500 if there are 600k-1 million 60GBs on shelves for $500? Isn't it your suggestion that the price drop will come before Christmas?
fortified_concept
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jaypah said:
I love you too.
alternative reply: Wow
Anyway I think you take console "wars" a bit too seriously. peace
We already have the facts to predict what is going to happen, and Kaz has already told us more deets, and finally we have common sense:
Facts:
1.) Current 60 GB PS3 costs more to make than 80 GB PS3 (80 GB hard drives are cheaper, and the new 80 GB PS3s don't have the EE chip). Sony isn't going to produce something more expensive when they don't have to anymore.
2.) 80 GB PS3 will be $599 with Motorstorm
Kaz:
1.) He says they are getting rid of the 60 GB PS3s due to cost.
2.) They are moving toward a one SKU market since that's what we have been demanding.
Common sense:
1.) The PS3 wasn't selling at $599 due to it being um $599 and no noteworthy games. It is in Sony's best interest to bring the price down as evidenced by Amazon's blazing sales of a $499 PS3.
2.) It is poor business sense to say "We're going to drop the price another $100 dollars by Christmas but for now buy this $599 model we're introducing".
Conclusion:
1.) 60 GB with EE PS3 @ $499 will disappear when stock is drained. Limited Edition $599 80 GB EE-less PS3 with Motorstorm to keep it company.
2.) 80 GB EE-less PS3 *WILL* go down to $499 with no pack-in after 60 GB with EE PS3s completely disappear. This will happen before Christmas.
3.) Remaining limited edition $599 80 GB EE-less PS3s will disappear leaving only one SKU, the $499 80 GB EE-less PS3. One SKU to further drop price, etc.
Sony realizes that whole one SKU thing is working pretty well for PS2 and Wii, and will pursue it, but first they need to stop losing $$$ on old (arguably superior) PS3 hardware.
Simple.
Facts:
1.) Current 60 GB PS3 costs more to make than 80 GB PS3 (80 GB hard drives are cheaper, and the new 80 GB PS3s don't have the EE chip). Sony isn't going to produce something more expensive when they don't have to anymore.
2.) 80 GB PS3 will be $599 with Motorstorm
Kaz:
1.) He says they are getting rid of the 60 GB PS3s due to cost.
2.) They are moving toward a one SKU market since that's what we have been demanding.
Common sense:
1.) The PS3 wasn't selling at $599 due to it being um $599 and no noteworthy games. It is in Sony's best interest to bring the price down as evidenced by Amazon's blazing sales of a $499 PS3.
2.) It is poor business sense to say "We're going to drop the price another $100 dollars by Christmas but for now buy this $599 model we're introducing".
Conclusion:
1.) 60 GB with EE PS3 @ $499 will disappear when stock is drained. Limited Edition $599 80 GB EE-less PS3 with Motorstorm to keep it company.
2.) 80 GB EE-less PS3 *WILL* go down to $499 with no pack-in after 60 GB with EE PS3s completely disappear. This will happen before Christmas.
3.) Remaining limited edition $599 80 GB EE-less PS3s will disappear leaving only one SKU, the $499 80 GB EE-less PS3. One SKU to further drop price, etc.
Sony realizes that whole one SKU thing is working pretty well for PS2 and Wii, and will pursue it, but first they need to stop losing $$$ on old (arguably superior) PS3 hardware.
Simple.
AdmiralViscen
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The Sphinx said:
No, but you've told me that I'm being unreasonable for not thinking PS3 80GB will cut price before Christmas. I assume that means that you think 80GB will price cut before Christmas? Or have you said absolutely NOTHING constructive at any point?
Do you think PS3 80GB will cut price before Christmas? How will this blend with hundreds of thousands of 60GBs already occupying that price point?
dammitmattt
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BenjaminBirdie said:
That might make sense in some ways, but there's not really a precedent for that in this industry and it could seriously piss off the people who bought the 60GB the week before or those who bought the Motorstorm bundle.
Plus, an extra 20GB at the same price isn't really going to light any sales fires.
haunts said:
A lot of your games either won't work at all or run with small to significant issues with software BC, though some might run better.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Someone tag this for fortified.fortified_concept said:
AdmiralViscen
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The Sphinx said:
The Sphinx said:
Okay.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Oh man! SEGA is the new Sony?
LATER FOOLS
I'VE GOT COMMERCIALS TO SHOOT
LATER FOOLS
I'VE GOT COMMERCIALS TO SHOOT
AdmiralViscen
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haunts said:
Not all games are supported, but most are. Something like 80%.