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Rottenwatch: THE DARK KNIGHT

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One thing i'm terribly concerned about...

Where the hell do you go from here? TDK was so great, had such a great cast of people and such a perfect villain that there seems to be nowhere to go but down. Riddler ain't topping this..
 
vas_a_morir said:
It's okay, because they took the Joker about as far as he could go, and there are tons more great Batman villains to explore.
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That's true, but I just want more!

Also GAF: How is the Killing Joke? Should I read it? Also, any other Batman stuff that is a must read?
thebagofsand said:
That part was awesome. The whole theater said wow.
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Yeah, my theatre went nuts.
 
just got back too, simply fucking amazing....i was kinda smashed while watching it cause my friends and I decided to drink before the movie, but shit, was it ever entertaining.

heath ledger had me cracking up the whole time. I'm sorry jack fans but heath's joker shits all over jacks.

this movie, is the best comic/super hero movie of the forever.

Spiderman = lawlercakes compared to this.

ironman? pfft.

Christopher nolan > all.

I will see this movie again on sunday sober.

best joker moment was "let me show you magic trick, wanna watch me make this pen dissappear? BAM!....my theater went nuts at that part
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
One thing i'm terribly concerned about...

Where the hell do you go from here? TDK was so great, had such a great cast of people and such a perfect villain that there seems to be nowhere to go but down. Riddler ain't topping this..
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I think
the joker was going to come back in the 3rd. He didn't die and really, we didn't see him caught either just dangling there laughing
 
Welp, Spider-Man 2 just got its ass kicked by the new greatest comic book movie ever.

Not only that, but the movie is fucking Oscar worthy.

And no, Heath dying has nothing to do with this. He deserve at least a nomination. It was INCREDIBLE.
 
My god....

MY GOD....

this film....THIS FUCKING FILM!!!!

lemme put this out there, the right and the wrong here. Batman Begins is everything I thought I wanted in a film. All of it was familiar, refreshing and excited.


The Dark knight is everything I never knew I wanted in a film. THIS WAS SO INCREDIBLY UNBELIEVABLE. I can't stress this. I can't exagerate it. This film....THIS FILM.....is everything a film should be. My god. They can't top this. No way. i never wanted it to end. It could've went on forever, indefinitely. And if you think the film should've ended 30 minutes earlier, I'm sorry, but not only do i have absofuckinglutely no idea what the fuck you're talking about, YOU'RE A GOD DAMN FOOL. Oh my god. Best ending. Best Beginning. Best middle. Best movie ever.


EVER.
 
i have suffered a big injury to my lower back from lifting yesterday ... if it prevents me from seeing the dark knight tonight ... well ..... I honestly don't know what I will do.
 
Ronin said:
Joker's
"magic trick"
> anything from 89 Joker.

I said wow.
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That was one of my favorite scenes from a movie. Ever. Ever. EVER.

That was the moment I knew this had a chance to be my favorite movie of all time. Obviously too early to tell if I really liked this more than any other movie I've ever seen...but...well...I think I might.
 
oh my fucking god.

i thought i had overhyped this movie in my mind and it BLEW ME THE FUCK AWAY.

oh my god, how can you do a sequal? it cant top this.

they have to go another direction and make it nothing like this.

also every other super hero movie now looks like a kids movie... how was this pg13?
 
StoOgE said:
oh my fucking god.

i thought i had overhyped this movie in my mind and it BLEW ME THE FUCK AWAY.

oh my god, how can you do a sequal? it cant top this.
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I know right...I mean..this was...I can't even describe it. It was incredible.
 
StoOgE said:
oh my fucking god.

i thought i had overhyped this movie in my mind and it BLEW ME THE FUCK AWAY.

oh my god, how can you do a sequal? it cant top this.
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You can't. It's physically impossible. It's never been done in the history of movies.
 
omg rite said:
You can't. It's physically impossible. It's never been done in the history of movies.
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Nolan and Goyer plotted out 3 films. Just give the man time to gather his bearings... we should be in for a rousing conclusion.
 
wow holy fucking christ

I learned a few things today.

1. I disagree with my earlier assessment of who should be the next batman villain. They can NEVER do another Batman movie. Please end the franchise right the fuck now. Nothing will ever be able to top Ledger, nothing will ever be able to replace him. There is no escalation that can possibly provide a third film that can even equal its predecessor. There is no talent alive that can write a script to live up to what was achieved.

The way the film ends - and you guys who seen it know - it means
the ghost of Heath Ledger will always loom over the franchise. Because he's still alive
. His performance is fucking elemental, a force of goddamn nature exploding with every sort of descriptor imaginable: brutally unpredictable, beyond maniacal, and even bursting with electric sexual energy. I don't even say that to be perverse, but he IS the film. He IS the Batman franchise. He IS the Dark Knight film, and now he is a symbol for the top. Nothing can beat it and therefore it makes little sense for anyone to even try. I know people will say 'but Amir0x, that seems a little silly.' It's just out there. I believe it is true.

2. The thing other comic book movies are missing is a true sense of DANGER. This movie does not lack that. It is so far in the other direction that parts of it are shocking, almost waking one up from the droll predictability of previous comic films. Spider-Man 2 had some emotional stability, but its characters only feel threatened in the sort of way a roller coaster may feel moderately frightening in its course. But here characters are dropped from their rafters, thrown to the dogs and everyone is put in the line of fire. Joker is so unhinged that he springs like a bear trap, those who wander into his path crushed beneath the mercilessness.

3. This movie is also a great Ensemble. Gary Oldman is spectacular, Aaron Eckhart is unbelievable, Morgan Freeman... and Maggie Gyllenhall. Of course she deserves special attention for bitch smacking the fuck out of that shallow schoolgirl performance that Katie Holmes previously put out for Begins. I felt she was the weak element of that film, but here Maggie makes me turn and feel she plays an invaluable role in the proceedings. She puts the moral dilemma into a context that feels believable and completely unpretentious. To me Christian Bale was actually the weakest performance - I believe Bruce Wayne playboy was underplayed and Batman "gravel voice" was overplayed. But this is also by contrast to just how unbelievable Joker was.

This film is so amazing in so many ways that I can discuss it for ages. I don't say this as someone who has made the decision on what I was going to feel and never had any chance of changing his mind. I had set up these expectations, and it handily blew them away.

I had a few problems with two specific action scenes, which add up to a total of like ten minutes out of this entire two hour and thirty minute production which seem pretty minor by comparison to how good it all was.
 
Amir0x said:
wow holy fucking christ

I learned a few things today.

1. I disagree with my earlier assessment of who should be the next batman villain. They can NEVER do another Batman movie. Please end the franchise right the fuck now. Nothing will ever be able to top Ledger, nothing will ever be able to replace him. There is no escalation that can possibly provide a third film that can even equal its predecessor. There is no talent alive that can write a script to live up to what was achieved.

The way the film ends - and you guys who seen it know - it means
the ghost of Heath Ledger will always loom over the franchise. Because he's still alive
. His performance is fucking elemental, a force of goddamn nature exploding with every sort of descriptor imaginable: brutally unpredictable, beyond maniacal, and even bursting with electric sexual energy. I don't even say that to be perverse, but he IS the film. He IS the Batman franchise. He IS the Dark Knight film, and now he is a symbol for the top. Nothing can beat it and therefore it makes little sense for anyone to even try. I know people will say 'but Amir0x, that seems a little silly.' It's just out there. I believe it is true.

2. The thing other comic book movies are missing is a true sense of DANGER. This movie does not lack that. It is so far in the other direction that parts of it are shocking, almost waking one up from the droll predictability of previous comic films. Spider-Man 2 had some emotional stability, but its characters only feel threatened in the sort of way a roller coaster may feel moderately frightening in its course. But here characters are dropped from their rafters, thrown to the dogs and everyone is put in the line of fire. Joker is so unhinged that he springs like a bear trap, those who wander into his path crushed beneath the mercilessness.

3. This movie is also a great Ensemble. Gary Oldman is spectacular, Aaron Eckhart is unbelievable, Morgan Freeman... and Maggie Gyllenhall. Of course she deserves special attention for bitch smacking the fuck out of that shallow schoolgirl performance that Katie Holmes previously put out for Begins. I felt she was the weak element of that film, but here Maggie makes me turn and feel she plays an invaluable role in the proceedings. She puts the moral dilemma into a context that feels believable and completely unpretentious. To me Christian Bale was actually the weakest performance - I believe Bruce Wayne playboy was underplayed and Batman "gravel voice" was overplayed. But this is also by contrast to just how unbelievable Joker was.

This film is so amazing in so many ways that I can discuss it for ages. I don't say this as someone who has made the decision on what I was going to feel and never had any chance of changing his mind. I had set up these expectations, and it handily blew them away.

I had a few problems with two specific action scenes, which add up to a total of like ten minutes out of this entire two hour and thirty minute production which seem pretty minor by comparison to how good it all was.
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You pretty much nailed it on every level. Especially the moratorium on the franchise. Best comic book movie ever, maybe the best movie I've ever seen..
 
Fixed2BeBroken said:
The 10 idiots on rottentomatoes need to get thier balls(or tits) removed
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Seriously.


If you don't like this film THERE IS SOMETHING MENTALLY WRONG WITH YOU AND YOU NEED TO SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION. I wish I was kidding. If the Dark Knight does not please you, nothing EVER WILL.
 
All agreed. Fully lives up to the hype-machine manic press.

I'm still taking it all in. Amir0x is on the ball here. To make the third as good or better is a god-like feat that I'm not sure they can live up to.

R.I.P. Heath: Best Performance of a villian I have ever seen.
 
omg rite said:
Welp, Spider-Man 2 just got its ass kicked by the new greatest comic book movie ever.

Not only that, but the movie is fucking Oscar worthy.

And no, Heath dying has nothing to do with this. He deserve at least a nomination. It was INCREDIBLE.
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Just got back from seeing this and I agree with everything you just said. Really, what movie in recent memory was better than this? It was just too damn good. If the Spider-Man franchise wants to get back as the premiere franchise in the fans eyes, then its gonna have to take a quantum leap in maturity.

Also, the joker was motherfucking amazing. Best villain I've ever seen.
 
They should just stop making movies, period.

It's not just another Batman that can't top this, it's any movie.

Pack up Hollywood, it's done.
 
Just got back from seeing it again. Still absolutely amazing.

NO FUCKING WAY this movie does not obliterate every record this weekend. I've never seen anything like the scene at the theatre I went to. I can't think of a single film that's had such an enthusiastic crowd of, well, non-nerds in its favor. Usually they make up most of the midnight crowd, but that was NOT the case tonight. Everyone is going to see this movie because: Batman Begins had amazing word-of-mouth, and everyone has seen/loved it at this point, the Joker is one of the most legendary villains in film/comic history, and Heath Ledger's tragic death is just going to bring in so many more people, realistically -- just to see the absolute blood, sweat and tears he puts into this maniacal performance.

And after seeing it again, I can say without question that my favorite scene in the film is the
interrogation.
Ledger is fucking AMAZING here, especially once he lets on that
Batman will have to choose between Rachel and Dent.
 
Fucking hell, it was a madhouse at my theater. I had to park on the FOURTH fucking floor of the parking garage (I go to this theater a lot and I've always parked on level 1).

I get there about 20 minutes early and it's fucking packed - there's a huge ass line for people buying food & drinks etc. So I just buy a ticket instead and the guy says "pick from theaters 1, 2, or 3" and I was like damn.... I walk through the doors of all three and they're completely packed - only seats would be to sit in the very front row (hell no, screw that). I was about to ask for a refund or something and come back later, then I hear a guy say they just opened theater 11 and everyone who was in the lobby was running to that, it completely filled up in about 5 minutes.

So yeah this movie is gonna be fucking HUGE. It took me 45 minutes just to leave the damn parking lot :lol
 
"Why is he running?

Because we have to chase him."

So poignant, so powerful. Never have I seen the burden of a hero so accurately represented in so many facets of the movie. And not just from Batman.

That's the great part of this film; Batman himself was just ONE of the great heroes in the film, and arguably not even the biggest one.
 
Sean said:
Fucking hell, it was a madhouse at my theater. I had to park on the FOURTH fucking floor of the parking garage (I go to this theater a lot and I've always parked on level 1).

I get there about 20 minutes early and it's fucking packed - there's a huge ass line for people buying food & drinks etc. So I just buy a ticket instead and the guy says "pick from theaters 1, 2, or 3" and I was like damn.... I walk through the doors of all three and they're completely fucking packed, only seats would be to sit in the very front row and fuck that. Then I hear a guy say they just opened theater 11 and everyone who was in the lobby was running to that, it filled up in about 5 minutes.

So yeah this movie is gonna be fucking HUGE. It took me 45 minutes just to leave the damn parking lot :lol
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The audience I saw this film with was fucking annoying.

Every goddamn time something happened *clap cheer*.

When the trailer for Terminator ended, a dude yelled "FUCK YEAH THIRTY POINTS TO GRYFFINDOR"

Another guy yelled when the Dark Knight just started "LET'S HEAR IT FOR BATMAN WOO!" Then the theatre cheered. Then he yelled "AND HEATH LEDGER TOO!" And nobody cheered. And another guy across the theatre yelled "TOO SOON!" :lol
 
oh I must read both threads

this movie rocked hard

I am so sad this dude died and can't play Joker again he nailed the shit out of it

damn I am so tired guess everyone is just getting home too
 
StoOgE said:
minor quible: they should have included the tram from the first movie and kept the same wayne ent. bldg
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Yeah, I don't understand why they didn't include some continuity in terms of the city between both movies.
 
Just got back from seeing it, and two quick things.

First, this movie was epic. I was just amazed as I sat there watching it at how unbelievable in scope and execution the whole movie was. Films are supposed to provide us with worlds beyond belief, and that's exact what we got here.

Second, as has been mentioned, the threat posed by the movie's villains was just so shocking. I really hadn't noticed how honestly little of a threat most other movie villains have felt like until watching this. You really do feel like, "Holy shit, there's just no way to fix up this horrible situation."

Was really great seeing it with a huge (and good) crowd. The theater went crazy at "that one part" early in the movie, and at the other scenes that were just as good.

Phenomenal movie.
 
I can not articulate what I want to say about this movie because I just got home from the theaters and am a bit at a loss of words. What I can say is that this is the best movie I have ever seen.
 
Just got back. Heath Ledger really won me over, as I hated his costume design before seeing the movie (still do). But he nailed the character, and so did the screenwriters. All the scenes without the Joker were kind of "meh" except for
Two Face
. Bale didn't really hold up his end of the film. His Batman voice was still silly - especially when used in casual conversation with people who fucking know his secret identity. I felt like Bale's Batman could have been pulled off by any actor as he didn't bring much to the role. His Bruce Wayne was still entertaining, however. Also, thank whatever you believe in that
Rachel Dawes is fucking dead. It's about fucking time. Hopefully we won't have to put up with another love interest in the next film - Batman's an asexual sociopath, he doesn't date - but I know the studio will force it.
I was disappointed but not surprised that Nolan's Gotham still lacks character or personality. I wasn't expecting Burton's gothic Gotham, but it would have been nice to give the city some distinguishing visual features to separate it from a standard generic city.

Over all, it was definitely an entertaining film and I'll probably see it again so long as I don't have to pay.

Edit: I also like the politics of the film, which is rare for Hollywood. They acknowledged the fact that Batman is a fascist and even criticized him for it. They also made him stick to his no killing code without cheap cop-outs ("I'm not going to kill you, but I'm not going to save you."). And the best bit was
Joker's "society has a plan" speech in the hospital towards the end, pointing out how we value some lives over others and tolerate certain forms of violence no matter how irrational.
 
Amir0x said:
The audience I saw this film with was fucking annoying.

Every goddamn time something happened *clap cheer*.
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That's half the fun of midnight showings!

You can't tell me you didn't clap at the pencil "magic trick".

Another guy yelled when the Dark Knight just started "LET'S HEAR IT FOR BATMAN WOO!" Then the theatre cheered. Then he yelled "AND HEATH LEDGER TOO!" And nobody cheered. And another guy across the theatre yelled "TOO SOON!" :lol
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We got "What the hell! This isn't Wall-E!" which got a good laugh.
 
shidoshi said:
You really do feel like, "Holy shit, there's just no way to fix up this horrible situation."
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The best thing I thought the film did was actually make me feel like it really WAS Batman's fault things were the way they were. He cannot absolve himself from responsibility. It is a really fucking complex moral theme when you think about it.

pitt_norton said:
Fuck! When did the Brother Nolans die???????? When did this happen!!!!!!!
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no, they cannot do it. I am sorry they just can't. They cannot do something literally impossible.

omg rite said:
That's half the fun of midnight showings!

You can't tell me you didn't clap at the pencil "magic trick".
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No I hate people who cheer in theatres. NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU. Do that at premieres :P

I just did the hand up to my mouth "holy shit" motion when he did the magic trick.
 
HOLY SHIT! Amazing movie, one of the best i have ever seen. Fucking Incredible.

The whole Movie Theater (as in all the screens) were sold out. Shit ton of people there, and had to wait a couple hrs to get in. Started 30 minutes late too. But damn, it was worth it.
 
I know that this movie won't be THE BEST MOVIE EVER, and I've yet to see it. Jesus. Calm down, bitches.

Anyway, I have no doubt that this movie will be the best superhero movie ever, though.
 
Greatness Gone said:
I know that this movie won't be THE BEST MOVIE EVER, and I've yet to see it. Jesus. Calm down, bitches.

Anyway, I have no doubt that this movie will be the best superhero movie ever, though.
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To call it a superhero movie is an insult.
 
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