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Rottenwatch: THE DARK KNIGHT

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Aristotlekh said:
Can we at least agree that she's a much better actress? The, uh, important scene she's in could not have been done by Katie Holmes because she just doesn't have the acting chops for it. It would have been cheesy and soap opera melodrama.

I think few will disagree Gyllenhaal is a worse actress than Holmes, but having seen the Dark Knight twice now, you wouldn't know it. What I hated most was her delivery in a good portion of her dialogue. She seemed to slow down and emphasise the odd word, just for no apparent reason.

While I`ll be the first to admit she wasn`t given a great deal as far as scripting go, I frankly thought she really brought nothing to the role. She turned the whole scene with Lau into a bit of a farce as I recall also.
 
I haven't seen her in any other movie, actually, but I've always heard she's a good actress. She didn't seem to be anything special in TDK. There were definitely moments where I thought her delivery was just strange. But maybe that was her trying to be like Holmes' character in the first one.
 
mr.beers said:
Neither one acted better than the other but at least holmes has the sex appeal to have two guys believably fighting over her.

Fighting over who gets to stay away from her, maybe.
 
maharg said:
Weird. You're right, it was filmed in Chicago. I dunno. The cityscapes looked different from my expectation of Chicago. Cleaner and glassier. At any rate, it still didn't feel like the Gotham from the first movie to me.

Maybe I just need to rewatch the first movie, and I'm getting some of the ubergothic stuff from the Burton movies mixed in.

It's because there are no scenes which take place in the Narrows, which the first Batman was heavily involved in.
 
pizzaguysrevenge said:
The Narrows was destroyed at the end of BB.

Destroyed? Um, when did that happen? We were told they had 'lost' the Narrows at the end of Begins, but it was never implied it was like physically destroyed?
 
maharg said:
Weird. You're right, it was filmed in Chicago. I dunno. The cityscapes looked different from my expectation of Chicago. Cleaner and glassier. At any rate, it still didn't feel like the Gotham from the first movie to me.

Maybe I just need to rewatch the first movie, and I'm getting some of the ubergothic stuff from the Burton movies mixed in.

I don't think you're off. I'm pretty sure they used a lot less CGI on the city, except for the skyscrapers, so it resembles Chicago considerably more than the first film's Gotham City.
 
master15 said:
Destroyed? Um, when did that happen? We were told they had 'lost' the Narrows at the end of Begins, but it was never implied it was like physically destroyed?

Gotham Knight addresses the Narrows. They basically seal the Island off for good and turn the whole Island into the asylum.
 
master15 said:
I think few will disagree Gyllenhaal is a worse actress than Holmes, but having seen the Dark Knight twice now, you wouldn't know it. What I hated most was her delivery in a good portion of her dialogue. She seemed to slow down and emphasise the odd word, just for no apparent reason.

While I`ll be the first to admit she wasn`t given a great deal as far as scripting go, I frankly thought she really brought nothing to the role. She turned the whole scene with Lau into a bit of a farce as I recall also.

I see what you're saying but I personally can't stand Holmes delivery 100% of the time. She sounds like a little kid to me. That baby voice she has is just ugh..
 
woodchuck said:
unfortunately, you don't get to see any holmes nudity, but she's pretty fucking hot in the movie.
Well, I really wanted to see it anyway.

Besides, we have The Gift for that, as Harold and Kumar has taught guys everywhere, if they didn't know already.
 
CajoleJuice said:
Well, I really wanted to see it anyway.

Besides, we have The Gift for that, as Harold and Kumar has taught guys everywhere, if they didn't know already.

The things I would eat out of her ass, you have no idea.
 
Saw it again tonight. Someone basically summed up my thoughts when after the Joker's first big scene they yelled out "rewind it!"

Heath Ledger is this movie.
 
Got back about an hour ago. I arrived for the 10:30pm showing but the clerks told everyone it was sold out, which worked to my benefit because the 11pm showing was in digital projection.

I went into TDK expected it to be good yet kind of wanting it to be "ok" so I could laugh at my uncles, cousins, GAFers, and other Batman fanatics. The Dark Knight is not a good action movie. While it definitely is flawed, it is a great action movie that manages to transcend the boundaries of the action blockbuster typeset without feeling too forced.

TDK doesn't fix many of the problems I had with BB, but it does a good job of hiding most of them through the course of the nearly 3 hour movie. I'm still not a fan of the Batman Brawling, which - while it's definitely shot better this time - still seems sloppy. Yet this time the action scenes are bigger, focusing less on guys fighting and more on stuff blowing up; in short the action is simply amazing, and even stuff we've seen a billion times before (chase scenes, flying scenes, etc) are eye popping dishes of chaotic goodness - deftly shot. TDK has already seen its fair share of horrible comparisons and analogies, perhaps I'm throwing my hat into the ring by simply saying the action scenes really remind me of Michael Mann's stuff (hell, the first scene feels like the Heat bank scene). It also benefits from a great supporting cast, although I thought they replaced one average actress with another.

BB left me feeling cold due to a rather boring villain and a Batman I couldn't take seriously. While I was still a bit indifferent about Batman this time, the villain wound up stealing the show. The Joker is marvelous. I'm not going to join the Oscar bandwagon but I can definitely say Ledger's performance as The Joker is one of the best villain's I've ever seen on the screen. He steals the entire movie, scene after scene. He's truly unsettling, from his mannerisms to his appearance, and he really goes wild on the city. The man is fucking dangerous. I love how the film doesn't give him any background or excuses; like Batman he simply descends upon the city out of nowhere, changing everything. There are more than a few amazing scenes that ooze suspense where you don't know what the fuck he's going to do, and you almost don't want to know.

I agree with Solo on Eckhart: Ledger is going to get all the press and praise, but Eckhart really shines as well. His Dent is amazing. He's charismatic, daring, and heroic; he feels out of place. He's a hero without a suit who fights injustice just as hard as Batman. Perhaps my biggest problem with the film is how he's treated...later in the film as Two-Face. It's disappointing that Two-Face does not equal Dent on the opposite side of the spectrum, and like Patel said it really reminds you that hey, this is a comicbook movie after all; it seemed like he was thrown in. Instead The Joker is on the opposite of Dent, with Batman in the middle grey area. And perhaps that's the best way to describe Batman overall in the film: The Joker and Dent are far more interesting than Batman, who almost seems like an afterthought thrown into the middle of a crime thriller. And also, giving Batman more lines was a horrible decision. The cookie monster talk is on full display and it's laughable. It really ruins the mood of some of the more sombre scenes.

Despite those flaws I thought it was a great flick. No, it's not The Godfather II. But I think it succeeds in presenting an emotional arc that doesn't seem forced or poorly executed. It does what Heat couldn't accomplish in that sense. I think Heat is a great movie, but it's still feels like an 8/10 due to the weak, poorly fleshed out emotional shit involving Pacino's wife/kids as well as the rest of the females in the movie. TDK manages to make me care about the arcs that separate the action scenes
 
Mr. Spinnington said:
welp, so much for skyrocketing sales!


a cam version hit the net a few hours ago ;/

shit man, it happens for every new movie.

first is the cam, then telesync. But nothing is worth watching until the R5 is released.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Because Batman and Dent are shown to be shallow, and Rachel's look completely ruin that.
When are either of them shallow? Dent shows no act of shallowness in women and Batman isn't a goofy playboy, that is all an act.
 
Cheebs said:
When are either of them shallow? Dent shows no act of shallowness in women and Batman isn't a goofy playboy, that is all an act.


I was being sarcastic.

I mean, people talk as if you can't be in love/obsessed with somebody average-looking.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
I agree, but there are some scenes/shots where she looks less attractive than usual. I'm just trying to make the point.

Yeah. Shes not the most attractive woman in hollywood, but she can act and is good looking. Mountains out of Mole Hills.

Chorazin said:
Which is complete bullshit. It was a great movie, but not the best movie of all time.

I think the Godfather being there has more to do with nostalgia than people would admit. There is no concensus on what the "best movie of all time" is, there are lots of movies that make a case for that spot, including TDK imo. It depends on what criteria you are judging the movies on.

TDK is a blockbuster movie at heart, but it has so much depth. What we usually get in a blockbuster is more akin to transformers: mindless action.
 
Chorazin said:
Which is complete bullshit. It was a great movie, but not the best movie of all time.

The score is just waiting for bullshit backlash from people like you to bring it down. It won't stay number one for long.
 
I had a huge grin on my face every time Heath Ledger was on screen. Definitely the performance of a lifetime.

RIP
 
Chorazin said:
Which is complete bullshit. It was a great movie, but not the best movie of all time.
Sure, but there isn't any one best movie of all time anyway, so being up there pretty much means it's a great movie. No one really should be trying to make a specific rank comparison from such statistics.
 
TheHeretic said:
I think the Godfather being there has more to do with nostalgia than people would admit. There is no concensus on what the "best movie of all time" is, there are lots of movies that make a case for that spot, including TDK imo. It depends on what criteria you are judging the movies on.

Well, there is no single best picture, and no way to judge, but Godfather is a great movie for reasons more than nostalgia. It deserves a high rank.
 
hirokazu said:
Sure, but there isn't any one best movie of all time anyway, so being up there pretty much means it's a great movie. No one really should be trying to make a specific rank comparison from such statistics.
Yeah, but to state that The Dark Knight is "one of the best movies ever" is an exercise in absurdity.
 
Lazy vs Crazy said:
Yeah, but to state that The Dark Knight is "one of the best movies ever" is an exercise in absurdity.


Voting/judging will always skew to the more recent. I read an interview with one of my favorite cartoonists, who found a book from around 1900 rating the best artists ever, and it's full of people nobody knows anymore.
 
what a great movie, went to the imax showing. I think the FIRST scene where the camera is just panning the buildings, you just go WOW. So anyways movie was awesome, and i'm so pissed how Heath is dead. It was performance of a life time.
It was cool how there was areference to Batman's control over the population (omac) i believe? I liked gordon's speech at the end. Great way to end it.
 
With so many people pissed about Ledgers death, I think God might have to give him a reprieve or face the consequences when we all arrive at his house:lol
 
GuessWho said:
what a great movie, went to the imax showing. I think the FIRST scene where the camera is just panning the buildings, you just go WOW. So anyways movie was awesome, and i'm so pissed how Heath is dead. It was performance of a life time. It was cool how there was areference to Batman's control over the population (omac) i believe? I liked gordon's speech at the end. Great way to end it.

Please, tag that post. Mild spoilers, but I still don't appreciate it.
 
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