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Rottenwatch: THE DARK KNIGHT

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ezekial45 said:
What exactly are those flaws?
Bale's terrible batman voice breaks immersion every time he talks, especially when he has to say more than four words and has to take a deep breath.

The entire hong kong jaunt was mostly unimportant, and as such it was a waste of time and made the movie overlong.

The editing was, in places, a little stiff. Needed bettter transitions.

Batman vs. dogs is kind of lol?

Maggie Gyllenhaal was an objectively poor actress in the film.

And probably some more things.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
With so many people pissed about Ledgers death, I think God might have to give him a reprieve or face the consequences when we all arrive at his house:lol

Don't say that, otherwise when we get there He might not let us in. :lol
 
Lazy vs Crazy said:
Bale's terrible batman voice breaks immersion every time he talks, especially when he has to say more than four words and has to take a deep breath.

The entire hong kong jaunt was mostly unimportant, and as such it was a waste of time and made the movie overlong.

The editing was, in places, a little stiff. Needed bettter transitions.

Batman vs. dogs is kind of lol?

Maggie Gyllenhaal was an objectively poor actress in the film.

And probably some more things.

1. I agree to an extent. I think Bale is the best live action actor to portray Batman/Bruce Wayne, but i think he needs work on his voice for Bats. It just sounds extremely throaty and forced. IMO, his voice work was a step down from the previous movie. It needs some work, thats all. Other than that, i have no complaints with him. He was great.

2. How was it unimportant? Lau's capture forced the mob to hire The Joker. Which set everything else into motion.

3. I thought the editing was great overall. Specifically, during the scenes where The Joker kills Loeb and the Judge.

4. Have you ever been attacked by rottweilers? They make for great protection. They have extremely sharp senses and they bite fucking hard.

5. She's a better than Katie Holmes, thats for sure. Not better looking, but a more talented.

I still think this movie is brilliant.
 
for the complaints about Gotham feeling/looking different, I suppose there is a reason for it. BB took place in mostly the narrows, which was lost at the end of it. You figure that Batman/Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent have been working towards cleaning up Gotham, so naturally it would look cleaner and safer. I'm still complaining about not seeing the train at all though, even in the shots of Wayne Tower it's just completely missing now.
 
Gryphter said:
for the complaints about Gotham feeling/looking different, I suppose there is a reason for it. BB took place in mostly the narrows, which was lost at the end of it. You figure that Batman/Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent have been working towards cleaning up Gotham, so naturally it would look cleaner and safer. I'm still complaining about not seeing the train at all though, even in the shots of Wayne Tower it's just completely missing now.
Trains in some exposition shots

Wayne tower's at the end of the street during the Batman Joker truck showdown
 
Lazy vs Crazy said:
And probably some more things.

I'll agree with you that the film had flaws, but none of those were them. Scenes like
finger prints off a bullet from the bullet hole, turning everyone's cell phone into a radar, and yes, even the stupid bad pod 180 up that wall which everyone seems to think was OMG SO AWESOME
were totally unnessecary, eye-rolling, groan inducing moments that brought the film dangerously close to campy comic book movie land. I loved the film, but contrary to the internets, it wasn't perfect. Luckily the film is long enough and filled with so many great moments that it really doesn't matter.
 
DEO3 said:
totally unnessecary, eye-rolling, groan inducing moments that brought the film dangerously close to campy comic book movie land.

the movie took itself very seriously, but i see nothing wrong with dipping into "comic book movie land" every so often in this case. see also: the voices of the thugs from the heist in the opening.
 
beelzebozo said:
the movie took itself very seriously, but i see nothing wrong with dipping into "comic book movie land" every so often in this case. see also: the voices of the thugs from the heist in the opening.
The film takes liberties, and when it does (outside of the sonar) it only lasts a couple of seconds. It is a film, after all.
 
I think there are a few things that explain the city looking different:

1) Less narrows.

2) Because Batman is so effective at night, the criminals go out in the day more.. (they even mention this in the movie).. so we are seeing alot more Gotham during the day, which didnt happen much in Begins.

3) Batman, Dent and Gordon have been cleaning the city up a good deal.

4) The train does make a few establishing shots, but was obviously less prominent. I think they should have CG'ed it in a few more shots.

5) They changed Wayne Enterprises building, but like was mentioned, it still made a shot in the movie. So who knows exactly whats going on there. Maybe they switched buildings because of Damage to it in the first? Maybe they wanted a more secure location for the secret Batman related stuff going on?

6)
No Batcave

I think they also showed more of the modern glassy buildings in Chicago that they avoided in begins. So it certainly looked different. I think with showing Hong Kong they had to show Gotham being a bit more modern.
 
Since when did the best movie equate to a perfect movie? What movie has been ever perfect? The Dark Knight is sufficiently awesome enough to warrant being the best movie for whomever that deems it so in their own list.
 
Lazy vs Crazy said:
Dunno, but not this. It's my third or fourth favorite movie I've seen this summer.
That was exactly my point. It's a great movie, good enough for some people to regard it as the best movie ever or at least one of, but others will find too many things they don't like. But the fact that it's being rated very high just shows that a lot of people quite enjoyed what they saw.
 
Totakeke said:
Since when did the best movie equate to a perfect movie? What movie has been ever perfect? The Dark Knight is sufficiently awesome enough to warrant being the best movie for whomever that deems it so in their own list.

Exactly, most movies, even the very best films have issues, there is no perfect movie. It's also silly to tell someone what their "favorite movie" is. Its their favorite movie, not yours. You can not like the movie, but you cant tell them they are wrong. Its an opinion.
 
Totakeke said:
Since when did the best movie equate to a perfect movie? What movie has been ever perfect? The Dark Knight is sufficiently awesome enough to warrant being the best movie for whomever that deems it so in their own list.

Thank you. This one gets it!

High five!
 
Best doesn't mean perfect - any movie anyone else presents as the 'perfect' movie could have holes shot in it due to 'personal opinion.'

That's one reason I stopping reading reviews and 'critics' on the internet (especially message boards) - most times they're actively looking to deflate hype and make a name for themselves.
 
DEO3 said:
I'll agree with you that the film had flaws, but none of those were them. Scenes like
finger prints off a bullet from the bullet hole, turning everyone's cell phone into a radar, and yes, even the stupid bad pod 180 up that wall which everyone seems to think was OMG SO AWESOME
were totally unnessecary, eye-rolling, groan inducing moments that brought the film dangerously close to campy comic book movie land. I loved the film, but contrary to the internets, it wasn't perfect. Luckily the film is long enough and filled with so many great moments that it really doesn't matter.

What was so bad about the batpod flip? Seriously. It was a slick, abrupt ending to a climactic chase sequence.
I didn't hear very many groans in audience when that happened. Or at least I couldn't over the cheers and "oh shits".
 
StoOgE said:
Exactly, most movies, even the very best films have issues, there is no perfect movie. It's also silly to tell someone what their "favorite movie" is. Its their favorite movie, not yours. You can not like the movie, but you cant tell them they are wrong. Its an opinion.
There is no fundamentally 100% perfect film. The way I nail down a "perfect" film is if the only complaints you have with it are the stylistic choices. "I didn't like his voice" "It's too dark" "Not enough Batman". This is personal preference, not actual legitimate problems with the storytelling, like "Sandman just flew away after killing all of those innocent people, this doesn't make sense in the logic of the world THEY CREATED!", or the way it was acted (i.e. almost everything in stars ep 1-3 is legitimately poorly acted). Those actually bring the film down. Superficial complaints only bring down your enjoyment. This is why i like the rating system of movies in general by critics, because it allows leeway for things like this. 4/4 is not necessarily 100% perfect, but it's so rock solid on all accounts that the only thing that could bring it down is your own preferences.

That's just how I judge it. not trying to impose my way on you guys or anything.
 
yeah, this is all subjective. i dont know why some people are getting their panties in a wad if other people think it's their favorite movie ever
 
ezekial45 said:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jb68x_tOGx8QHjI0Cr6C-Vy79OGgD921LB1G0

According to this site, TDK now holds the weekend record with 155 million.

Yeah that's WB's estimates...the weekend multiplier is kind of on the low side of things, because of the aggressive midnight showings I guess. :P Tomorrow we'll get actuals, I think we'll even better numbers!

Oh also, thanks to TDK, this is the highest grossing weekend ever, by an insane margin of 20%
 
It's so good to see a good movie rewarded. I don't think the drop off will be massive either - word of mouth has to be incredible.
 
Lazy vs Crazy said:
Bale's terrible batman voice breaks immersion every time he talks, especially when he has to say more than four words and has to take a deep breath.

The entire hong kong jaunt was mostly unimportant, and as such it was a waste of time and made the movie overlong.

The editing was, in places, a little stiff. Needed bettter transitions.

Batman vs. dogs is kind of lol?

Maggie Gyllenhaal was an objectively poor actress in the film.

And probably some more things.

The Godfather had problems of its own.

The film never bothers to explore the effects of the mob in society, only on the mob itself. The film never sets any moral standard outside of criminals

There are simply too many characters in the movie, it becomes difficult to track without repeat viewings

The sequence in Italy is slow and mostly irrelevant

The deaths of Sollozzo, McCluskey and Sonny are all very sudden and the movie is very erratic in its pacing

Michaels motivations aren't particuarly well developed: joining the military to get away from his mob roots and then running the show with merciless efficiency. We can piece it together through his fathers struggle but the script is lacking in this area

Most of the characters in the movie (especially the men) are cold, distant and completely unrelatable

Overall the film hasn't aged all that well, the drama is very gradual and its a style of filmmaking that doesn't click with a modern audience. I would say the same about Rosemary's Baby and a lot of films from the late 60's early 70's

I think the Godfather is one of the best films of all time, and those are just a few of the flaws that stand out to me personally. I'm not going to use the word objective as you have, thats just my opinion. No movie is perfect, especially when you are comparing films you saw years ago to a film you saw a few days ago. We remember the great moments, forget many no so great moments.
 
Amir0x said:
It's so good to see a good movie rewarded. I don't think the drop off will be massive either - word of mouth has to be incredible.

I'll bet this clears $400MM before its out of theaters.
 
pollo said:
and uhh..put me in the : This is the best movie ever camp.

Because, erm, it is the best movie ever. :lol

No, just no :lol

Movie of the year? Probably for the MTV Movie Awards.....

I still think Wall-E is the best movie of the year so far.
 
The Main Event said:
No, just no :lol

Movie of the year? Probably for the MTV Movie Awards.....

I still think Wall-E is the best movie of the year so far.

Ok, lets give Nolan and co more credit than that. MTV movie awards? Thats like putting it on the same level as Transformers or Con Air, pure popcorn munching summer fluff. This movie was much more than that, you dont have to give it best picture ever stuff, but it is much more than your typical summer fare
 
I wonder if Ledger ever burst out laughing when he told Gyllenhall she was beautiful in the movie. Be like "O god I can't do this. I need a stunt double for this part".
 
The Main Event said:
No, just no :lol

Movie of the year? Probably for the MTV Movie Awards.....

I still think Wall-E is the best movie of the year so far.
TDK will likely be nominated for the best picture oscar. So there goes your logic.
 
Amir0x said:
It's so good to see a good movie rewarded. I don't think the drop off will be massive either - word of mouth has to be incredible.

I think the same. This is a movie that will have some major legs. This isn't just a great "comic book movie", it's a fucking amazing MOVIE/FILM from top to bottom that everyone should see.

It's one of the most gripping movie going experiences I've had in a LONG LONG time. Sorry Iron Man, you've been demoted.
 
Wellington said:
If the looks distract from the rest of the film, fuck yes they are everything. The bags/lines under her eyes, her jowls (yes, jowls) and her mannerisms as Rachel just left me wondering why the fuck either of those two knuckleheads would care so much.
I look up to you because you let me down. :- (
 
woodchuck said:
WE DID IT GUYS. WE DID IT

Just estimations man... to be safe better head out and see it again:lol . You have no idea how many peoples away messages say "wanna see batman again". I just don't understand how it hasn't crushed spiderman 3 really, because everyone was just putting it down after it came out. Either way this baby will have some legs.

I'm very surprised people are calling this the "best movie ever" and it sits atop IMDB's top 250. I'm not gunna put down anyones opinions, IMO it's not really up there, but it's still incredible. I think it'll drop a bit on IMDB, but will probably in the top 10.
 
holy shit,just got back,that was amazing *SPLOOGE*


Ledger was so beyond f-ig awesome as the Joker,that no body should ever be allowed to play the part again
 
My only big issue with the movie was Dent. They didn't build him up enough to make the fall work. He's supposed to be the "white knight" yet he never came across as that...probably because he didn't have enough screen time to be fully developed. He has a few major set-pieces with Batman, some with Bruce, some with Gordon, and a handful with Rachel. He never seemed like a champion of the city in any of them, and his relationship with Rachel felt really, really flat...probably all the more reason why the fall wasn't convincing.

Honestly, the only time that Dent/Two-Face was compelling was when Joker had time with him...which I guess is kind of the point since it's Joker's movie, all about his philosophy and his little playthings, but still...give me some meat to Dent. lol
 
It's on Yahoo News now:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080720/ap_on_en_mo/box_office;_ylt=AjYJR4fmUeFHIvUpR0LPQr6s0NUE

`Dark Knight' sets weekend record with $155.34M

LOS ANGELES - Batman has sent Spidey packing as king of Hollywood's box-office superheroes.

"The Dark Knight" took in a record $155.34 million in its first weekend, topping the previous best of $151.1 million for "Spider-Man 3" in May 2007 and pacing Hollywood to its biggest weekend ever, according to studio estimates Sunday.

"We knew it would be big, but we never expected to dominate the marketplace like we did," said Dan Fellman, head of distribution for Warner Bros., which released "The Dark Knight." The movie should shoot past the $200 million mark by the end of the week, he said.

Hollywood set an overall revenue record of $253 million for a three-day weekend, beating the $218.4 million haul over the weekend of July 7, 2006, according to box-office tracker Media By Numbers.

"This weekend is such a juggernaut," said Nikki Rocco, head of distribution for Universal, whose musical "Mamma Mia!" debuted at No. 2 with $27.6 million.

Factoring in higher admission prices, "Spider-Man 3" may have sold slightly more tickets than "The Dark Knight."

At 2007's average price of $6.88, "Spider-Man 3" sold 21.96 million tickets over opening weekend. Media By Numbers estimates today's average movie prices at $7.08, which means "The Dark Knight" would have sold 21.94 million tickets.

Revenue totals for "The Dark Knight" could change when final numbers are released Monday.

The movie's release was preceded by months of buzz and speculation over the performance of the late Heath Ledger as the Joker, Batman's nemesis. Ledger, who died in January from an accidental prescription-drug overdose, played the Joker as a demonic presence, his performance prompting predictions that the role might earn him a posthumous Academy Award nomination.

"The average opening gross of the last five `Batman' movies is $47 million. This tripled that, and for a reason," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of Media By Numbers. "A big part of that was the Heath Ledger mystique and a phenomenal performance that absolutely deserves the excitement surrounding it."

"The Dark Knight" reunites director Christopher Nolan with his "Batman Begins" star Christian Bale, whose vigilante crime-fighter is taunted and tested by Ledger's Joker as the villain unleashes violence and chaos on the city of Gotham.

Overseas, "The Dark Knight" added $40 million in 20 countries where it began opening Wednesday, including Australia, Mexico and Brazil. The film opens in Great Britain this weekend and rolls out to most of the rest of the world over the next few weeks.

"The Dark Knight," which cost $185 million to make, also broke the "Spider-Man 3" record for best debut in IMAX large-screen theaters with $6.2 million. "Spider-Man 3" opened with $4.7 million in IMAX cinemas.

"Every single show is sold out," said Greg Foster, IMAX chairman and president. "We're adding shows as much as we can, but we're at 100 percent capacity."

On opening day Friday, "The Dark Knight" also took in more money than previously counted, Fellman said. The film pulled in a record $67.85 million, up nearly $1.5 million from the studio's estimates a day earlier.

The previous opening-day record also had been held by "Spider-Man 3" with $59.8 million.

Women accounted for most of the audience for "Mamma Mia!", which Universal opened as counter-programming to the male-dominated audience for "The Dark Knight."

"With the crowded summer, we knew we would have to find the right weekend, and this seemed like the perfect one considering three-quarters of our audience was female," Rocco said.

Based on the stage musical set to the tunes of ABBA, "Mamma Mia!" features Meryl Streep, Pierce Brosnan, Colin Firth, Stellan Skarsgard, Julie Walters and Christine Baranski.

The weekend's other new wide release, 20th Century Fox's animated family flick "Space Chimps," opened at No. 7 with $7.4 million.

Estimated ticket sales for Friday through Sunday at U.S. and Canadian theaters, according to Media By Numbers LLC. Final figures will be released Monday.

1. "The Dark Knight," $155.34 million.

2. "Mamma Mia!", $27.6 million.

3. "Hancock," $14 million.

4. "Journey to the Center of the Earth," $11.9 million.

5. "Hellboy II: The Golden Army," $10 million.

6. "WALL-E," $9.8 million.

7. "Space Chimps," $7.4 million.

8. "Wanted," $5.1 million.

9. "Get Smart," $4.1 million.

10. "Kung Fu Panda," $1.8 million.
 
msdstc said:
Jeez hellboy fell hard :(... and Hancock is ridiculous haha how is it still holding so strong.

TDK was going to inevitable demolish Hellboy as they share the same target audience, I think it's only going to be worse next weekend. Again, a really stupid release date by Universal.
 
msdstc said:
Jeez hellboy fell hard :(... and Hancock is ridiculous haha how is it still holding so strong.

I'm sure Del Toro doesn't mind, considering who excited he was about TDK. Better TDK to snuff out Hellboy, than some Will Ferrell comedy.
 
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