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Little Children is a great movie. Jackie should have won an Oscar for it.
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Little Children is a great movie. Jackie should have won an Oscar for it.
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Screening done. That was shit awesome!!! 
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Honestly, I kind of like the movie for what it is, but the more that I think about it and discuss it with people, the more of it I can't help but feel is bullshit.
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Struct09 said:The BD-Live thing was pretty cool. But dammit, whoever was typing kept misspelling "centric" as "sentrick"
hahaha! I know! He also spelled Moloch "Molack". I'm glad 3 of my gazillion questions got answered
Some of them got answered off-screen though e.g. Superman's Effigy and Nixon's Nose but I'm glad 3 of them got direct answers!
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eLGee said:I fell asleep in my couch during the screening.Does anyone know if he answered what graphic novels he would want to make into films in the future, if any?
Sort of, but I won't tell you since you fell asleep! :/
I don't remember the answer.
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Thank you.Teh Hamburglar said:
Young Frankenstein. Loved that movie. ''Destiny, destiny, no escaping that's for me''twinturbo2 said:
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shagg_187 said:Some of them got answered off-screen though e.g. Superman's Effigy and Nixon's Nose but I'm glad 3 of them got direct answers!
what did he say about those?
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He talks about "Watchmen" and "Richie Rich" like they are similar stories. Thankfully this guy didn't get to work on this movie.JdFoX187 said:
DJ_Tet said:I'm sure most people already know this but when I got home from the film I was so impressed with Rorsharch from the movie that I looked up the actor on imdb. Imagine my shock when I saw he played troubled Kelly Leak from the Bad News Bears movies :lol
He did such a great job in Watchmen, the movie is worth watching for him alone.
He was great in Breaking Away, too.
polyh3dron said:
Yeah, I have the BDUP 5000 dual format player. Luckily it gets *most* of the updates that their top tier player gets so it plays all of the movies and the BD+ stuff works on 99% of them.
However, we were promised BD Live compatibility and onboard DTS HD decoding a while ago. Neither has happened. My Yamaha decodes all the lossless audio, but it means I have to go into the player and switch the audio setting if I want to watch the BD+ (or HDi) content.
And the BD Live still doesn't work.
What sucks even more is LG had a dual format player that came out that was a complete piece of shit so I passed on it. Now, their player does *everything* that any top tier HDDVD or BRD player does including BD Live. It was also about 200 dollars cheaper to buy than the Samsung back when I had a choice. So yes, I'm pretty damn pissed at Sammy over the whole thing
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PUT. THE. CANDLE. BACK!!!!StickyFingers said:
PhoenixDark
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Watched it (not the EE) for the first time yesterday. There's more to making a "faithful adaptation" than repeating a book's dialogue. Good adaptations capture the essence of their source material; things might be changed around here or there, but ultimately, staying true to the spirit of the work is more important. That's why LOTR works so well imo. If Jackson had taken the Synder approach it would be unwatchable; imagine sitting through a verbatim account of the Council of Elrond.
Nerds often leave theaters disappointed that the adaption was nothing like the source material. Synder seems more obsessed with ensuring that doesn't happen as compared to making a good movie. Now imo, it's not horrible. But the script just sounds so fucking bad. Maybe it's the wooden, emotionless delivery of lines, but I doubt Marlon Brando could make "whatever happened to the American dream?" sound believable. Often there are no pauses or dramatic...anything in the delivery. It's just "so yea...I heard he was working for the government.." yawn. Clearly more time was put into framing shots (which often look great) than working with the actors.
There are some cringe worthy bad scenes here though. Like the part after Rorschach warns Manhattan/Laurie. Laurie wants to go meet Night Owl, and Manhattan goes into this long, wooden scientific lecture about...whatever. Something that comes with the territory in a comic book. But it just sucks the fucking air out of that scene in the movie. It's the type of thing that's usually followed by a quick joke to wake the audience up or something. The movie is full of stuff like that though
Lots of the action is damn cartoony, which meshes poorly with the serious nature of everything else in the movie. In fact, the only saving grace of the movie is the beginning scene/credits scene, and Rorschach. Great character brought to life perfectly. I liked The Comedian as well, for the most part (that rape scene was cringe worthy).
edit: also I thought Manhattan's POV/origin was done very well. That ten or so minute part is great
Nerds often leave theaters disappointed that the adaption was nothing like the source material. Synder seems more obsessed with ensuring that doesn't happen as compared to making a good movie. Now imo, it's not horrible. But the script just sounds so fucking bad. Maybe it's the wooden, emotionless delivery of lines, but I doubt Marlon Brando could make "whatever happened to the American dream?" sound believable. Often there are no pauses or dramatic...anything in the delivery. It's just "so yea...I heard he was working for the government.." yawn. Clearly more time was put into framing shots (which often look great) than working with the actors.
There are some cringe worthy bad scenes here though. Like the part after Rorschach warns Manhattan/Laurie. Laurie wants to go meet Night Owl, and Manhattan goes into this long, wooden scientific lecture about...whatever. Something that comes with the territory in a comic book. But it just sucks the fucking air out of that scene in the movie. It's the type of thing that's usually followed by a quick joke to wake the audience up or something. The movie is full of stuff like that though
Lots of the action is damn cartoony, which meshes poorly with the serious nature of everything else in the movie. In fact, the only saving grace of the movie is the beginning scene/credits scene, and Rorschach. Great character brought to life perfectly. I liked The Comedian as well, for the most part (that rape scene was cringe worthy).
edit: also I thought Manhattan's POV/origin was done very well. That ten or so minute part is great
I couldn't help but think that the ending was odd. Maybe I'm jaded, but if a US government weapon/uber god went rogue and bombed cities around the world, wouldn't the US be held responsible? I dunno if I can buy Russia kissing and making up in that situation. I'd agree that the book's ending probably is too ridiculous for film, but meh this one wasn't great either
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quadriplegicjon said:
He said that it technically IS superman's effigy but due to legal reasons, they had to name him "Hydrogen Man". He has an H instead of S. Hydrogen Man is also a nod at Dr. Manhattan's symbol.
Nixon's nose: He said alot of people complained about it, but Nixon's nose IS big and they tried to keep it the way it is.
PhoenixDark said:
First of all, I thought Jackson completely missed the point of the LOTR books. He took a book about a journey and made it about a series of battles.
That aside, I thought this movie (especially the director's cut) worked really well. There are some scenes that I didn't care for
1)sex scene
2) the scene in the Vietnamese bar.. I think they should have reworked Manhattan and the Comedian's confrontation about the shooting to a later scene (like in the hospital after he gets fixed up). It just seemed odd to have a philosophical debate about Manhattan's inaction in the heat of the moment.. but that was an issue in the comic as well.
3) Kid asking if Nite Owl II was Jesus
4) Needs the news stand scenes to give us a tie to 'normal' people in the movie. Should be resolved in the ultimate edition.
5) Fight scenes were overdone, but it's a movie.. they probably had to.
6) As violent as the movie is
they should have brought the blood and devastation to Manhattan's attack
I also think they got the Comedian right as far as the way he acted, but they did a poor job of going into the idea that he was the way he acted like an asshole because he thought the world was fucked. I don't think it made the movie, but in the comic there is a line something like "When you realize the world is a joke, being a comedian is the only sane thing to do".
They also needed to do more for Adrian. In the comic most of his character development was done in the periodicals between chapters. Not explaining the Gordian knot and removing his scene with Dr. M at the end was a fucking travesty. They also did a bad job of selling him as the world's strongest/smartest man. They should have had him do a TV interview or something halfway through the movie to develop his character more. I am also hoping they add him talking about dreaming about swimming to a ship in the Ultimate edition once Tales is inserted into the movie.
shagg_187 said:
The problem is most people's mental image of Nixon is from when he was president.. if you look at pictures of him in the 80's his nose really is that pronounced. But most people (especially our age) are not familiar with his look later in life.
I watched the EE last night. I'm really not sure what it added to be honest.
Still, watching the movie again - it works much better knowing what is going to happen, so you don't have to 'work everything out', and you can just enjoy the scenes. I still think it's a bit much for first viewers.
There's just so much to the story that the dialogue HAS to be delivered and then the scene has to move on. This is detrimental. I compared it to Bladerunner as I was watching it, and scenes in that movie are just allowed to breathe, and it works so much better. Some shots need to be lingered upon, and Watchmen just has too much to fit in to allow that.
Still, I immensely enjoyed it. My only real beef is that the Comedian is set up to be a dick throughout the whole movie (although he is also presented as being one of the most profound in that he 'sees' society), but hardly anywhere do you get the idea that Laurie hates him. This makes the 'reveal' a bit weak.
In the book you see her develop a hatred for the Comedian, so 'that' moment is much more poignant.
I thought it was clever that there was a pivotal moment (the forming of the Watchmen, or attempted forming) as a central scene, and flashbacks for all the characters were shown to this point to give you that perspective of the others in the room at that time. It revealed a lot about each character from their own and others' points of view.
Still, watching the movie again - it works much better knowing what is going to happen, so you don't have to 'work everything out', and you can just enjoy the scenes. I still think it's a bit much for first viewers.
There's just so much to the story that the dialogue HAS to be delivered and then the scene has to move on. This is detrimental. I compared it to Bladerunner as I was watching it, and scenes in that movie are just allowed to breathe, and it works so much better. Some shots need to be lingered upon, and Watchmen just has too much to fit in to allow that.
Still, I immensely enjoyed it. My only real beef is that the Comedian is set up to be a dick throughout the whole movie (although he is also presented as being one of the most profound in that he 'sees' society), but hardly anywhere do you get the idea that Laurie hates him. This makes the 'reveal' a bit weak.
In the book you see her develop a hatred for the Comedian, so 'that' moment is much more poignant.
I thought it was clever that there was a pivotal moment (the forming of the Watchmen, or attempted forming) as a central scene, and flashbacks for all the characters were shown to this point to give you that perspective of the others in the room at that time. It revealed a lot about each character from their own and others' points of view.
Since the Motion Comic is only $5 on DVD at Target, I decided "what the hell" ... I normally just stick to bluray now... but the quality is so good that I'm not complaining. Line art scales very well!
Not a bad way to enjoy the comic at all. More companies should try the motion comic thing.
Not a bad way to enjoy the comic at all. More companies should try the motion comic thing.
They're not that far off from each other. The ending of the graphic novel wasPhoenixDark said:
supposed to look like an accident at the Institute for Extraspatial Studies, which would still make it America's fault. I'd say the timing of the accident would be a little suspicious to the Russians.
In the new ending it doesn't really matter who is responsible, because no one is in a position to do anything about it. The main goal was to scare everyone into disarming, and now there's an angry blue god watching every move they make.
In the new ending it doesn't really matter who is responsible, because no one is in a position to do anything about it. The main goal was to scare everyone into disarming, and now there's an angry blue god watching every move they make.
Just finished watching the director's cut for the first time. For reference, I saw the original cut three times in the theater. I enjoyed this cut so much better, even though I can't really name specific scenes that were altered or extended, with the exception of
I went back and read the graphic novel again before I watched the movie and I like most of the changes they did to the movie. THe only thing I didn't like was how they took out the final exchange between Ozy and Dr. Manhattan where he asked if he did the right thing. That could have been so powerful in the movie and there was no reason to remove it at all.
And I'll echo what someone else already said. As bloody and gory as Zach Snyder made the movie with arms being chopped off, people literally fucking exploding and blood everywhere, why was the final attack so sterile? If it's supposed to
It just seemed too clean.
I know it won't happen, but I really hope Jackie Earl Haley gets a nod come Oscar time. That was easily one of the best performances I've seen all year. He's so fucking creepy through the whole movie, especially when talking about the paedophile he kills.
Mason's death.
I went back and read the graphic novel again before I watched the movie and I like most of the changes they did to the movie. THe only thing I didn't like was how they took out the final exchange between Ozy and Dr. Manhattan where he asked if he did the right thing. That could have been so powerful in the movie and there was no reason to remove it at all.
And I'll echo what someone else already said. As bloody and gory as Zach Snyder made the movie with arms being chopped off, people literally fucking exploding and blood everywhere, why was the final attack so sterile? If it's supposed to
emulate Dr. Manhattan's power, wouldn't there be plenty of blood, bones and tissue left? When he blows Rorscach to hell, there's blood all over the snow. The same goes for the people in the bar.
I know it won't happen, but I really hope Jackie Earl Haley gets a nod come Oscar time. That was easily one of the best performances I've seen all year. He's so fucking creepy through the whole movie, especially when talking about the paedophile he kills.
Ok, a little proposition for a fan edit here:
Wouldn't it have been better for the Manhattan on Mars scene to occur after the scientists figure out where he is?
It's kinda stupid that they run in, all 'SIR! We know where he is.......'
'Well?'
'He...he's on Mars!'
When we already know where he is since his big montage scene just played. Shouldn't be too hard to fix?
Wouldn't it have been better for the Manhattan on Mars scene to occur after the scientists figure out where he is?
It's kinda stupid that they run in, all 'SIR! We know where he is.......'
'Well?'
'He...he's on Mars!'
When we already know where he is since his big montage scene just played. Shouldn't be too hard to fix?
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Zaphod said:
3 hours vs 2.5 hours.
untoldhero
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WHAT THE FUCK...
So I bought the Blu-Ray version of Watchmen today in Australia, looking at the running time on the JB website (Aussie Retailer) it was the same as the Directors Cut. But it isn't... why wasn't the directors cut released here? You can't buy it!!
Anyone know if the Directors Cut US is Region Free
How do I check?
So I bought the Blu-Ray version of Watchmen today in Australia, looking at the running time on the JB website (Aussie Retailer) it was the same as the Directors Cut. But it isn't... why wasn't the directors cut released here? You can't buy it!!
Anyone know if the Directors Cut US is Region Free
How do I check?
untoldhero
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Awesome, Let's see if I can return it now!
JdFoX187 said:
I agree.. he was absolutely phenomenal in this movie from start to finish.
However, there is no way they are going to nominate 2 sociopathic comic book characters in a row. This movie also didn't review well enough or make enough money I'm afraid.
Plus he was nominated for the role before this one.. only Meryl Streep, Kate Winslit and Jack Nickolson are eligible to be nominated for every movie they are in.
radioheadrule83
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I missed this at the cinema but I just sat and watched this in all its 3 hour glory in HD
I thought it was fucking awesome. It must have been hard to adapt such a large and crazy graphic novel, but it was done with such precision and care - particularly visually -- the pane->scene accuracy, the billboards, posters and background characters... that intro scene. The liberties taken made sense to me
. I loved it! Wish I'd contributed to the box office takings
I thought it was fucking awesome. It must have been hard to adapt such a large and crazy graphic novel, but it was done with such precision and care - particularly visually -- the pane->scene accuracy, the billboards, posters and background characters... that intro scene. The liberties taken made sense to me
fuck the squid I don't care
Hollis Mason's final fight was awesome, I'm glad he put up a fight, it was horrible the way his Raging Bull moment was cut short though.. the way it just cuts away to ultra violence and the music stops. Ouch! I thought the graphic novel was... graphic.. but the movie was crazy in parts!
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Does Vin Diesel make a cameo in Watchmen? I noticed this when watching it in the theater and can SWEAR this thug looks just like him. This is right after Nite Owl and Spectre II go into the alley.
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Finally saw this movie a few days ago. It was fantastic. Loved that none of the superheroes was sympathetic at all. All of them clung to outdated philosophies to varying degrees.
WickedAngel
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Preface: Never heard of the graphic novel before the movie was announced, still had no interest in either, actively ignored it at the theater...
So, we rented it yesterday and watched it tonight. I was wrong to avoid this; I loved every second of it, though some characters made far more of an impression than others (I was far more interested in Rorschach and the Comedian than I was in the rest of the crew).
I was a little disappointed that I didn't get to see Jupiter go wild on that gang, though.
So, we rented it yesterday and watched it tonight. I was wrong to avoid this; I loved every second of it, though some characters made far more of an impression than others (I was far more interested in Rorschach and the Comedian than I was in the rest of the crew).
I was a little disappointed that I didn't get to see Jupiter go wild on that gang, though.
I saw this close to the day it was released. I thought it was a fairly faithful adaptation of the book. Of course the graphic novel is leagues better, but it was pretty cool to see it made into a movie. I couldn't ask for much more besides some better acting from certain characters.
AgentOtaku
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Finally got to see the Director's Cut
...and I'm still pretty indifferent to it like I was the theatrical. The 3 hour cut of it didn't really resolve the issues I had with it either.
Would have loved to see a miniseries. As it stands now, Watchmen the movie is merely an interesting experiment that will ultimately just kind of be there....
I dunno, I still hold the LotR Trilogy as the poster child of how to adapt to film successfully.
...and I'm still pretty indifferent to it like I was the theatrical. The 3 hour cut of it didn't really resolve the issues I had with it either.
Would have loved to see a miniseries. As it stands now, Watchmen the movie is merely an interesting experiment that will ultimately just kind of be there....
I dunno, I still hold the LotR Trilogy as the poster child of how to adapt to film successfully.
overthehill99
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Does this movie make you make an account to go into the BD-Live features, like Disney does? I found that really annoying, but haven't dove into any of the stuff on this disc yet, other then the movie.
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One more thing...
I still think Billy Crudup is the star in this and gives the most genuine performance (IE: not acting like a cartoon character), especially during Osterman's origin story ...not Jackie Earl Haley
I still think Billy Crudup is the star in this and gives the most genuine performance (IE: not acting like a cartoon character), especially during Osterman's origin story ...not Jackie Earl Haley
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