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rhino4evr said:
I just read the first book of 12.

Question. How important is the lengthy text at the end of each book. Involving the first Night Owl..I think?
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It's not important in relationship to the overall story arch of the book. Skipping it should not bring any confusion into the plot beats or narrative. However, reading them is extremely entertaining and adds some enrichment to the characters and the worlds they live in. At first I wanted to skip them too, (since I hate reading novels and the like..) but after reading the first few I actually look forward to these parts of the book the most, they are thoughtful, insightful, and thoroughly entertaining, even if they are just mostly gibberish that doesn't directly move the plot forward itself. On book 8 now.
 
I never did like the Nite Owl segments. Yeah, they do provide some interesting insights but they also read very boringly and straightforward.
 
Kastro said:
I never did like the Nite Owl segments. Yeah, they do provide some interesting insights but they also read very boringly and straightforward.
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Did you read them all? They are not only written by Nite Owl. There are author excerpts, police reports (or something like that) and other miscellaneous pieces of information that is at least somewhat pertinent to the story that preceded before it.
 
ItsInMyVeins said:
I think "Who watches the watchmen?" is sprayed on a wall or something in the comic.
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Yeah I think it's shown twice and the 2nd time iirc Rorschach had just beaten the shit outta the dude doing it...he doesnt get to finish the phrase on the wall
 
SephCast said:
What? Were they really called the Masks or is this guy just a huge idiot?
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IIRC, in the book Rorschach says something about someone killing "masks" i.e costumed heroes. It's not a name. I guess the guy just got confused.
 
Scullibundo said:
Pretty much. Those who invest the time to read Watchmen and give it a chance as more than a 'comic book' usually aren't the ones who make the bulk of the comic book movie box office. To condense a story like Watchmen down is going to be very hard for the generally stupid general public.
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Immediately after I and a couple of my friends saw the movie, that's what our conversation went like: "Man, that was amazing." "Yeah, that was fucking great." "It's gonna bomb at the box office tho, don't you think?" "Yep, pretty sure it will." :)

So, yeah, there's a strong possibility that this won't do very well with the general public. It's no 300, Spiderman, Ironman or whatever, that's for sure.
 
SephCast said:
What? Were they really called the Masks or is this guy just a huge idiot?
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That's just what Rorschach refers to masked vigilantes as. Because they wear masks. It's not a formal name.

It just goes to show how out of it that THR reviewer is.
 
Zabojnik said:
Immediately after I and a couple of my friends saw the movie, that's what our conversation went like: "Man, that was amazing." "Yeah, that was fucking great." "It's gonna bomb at the box office tho, don't you think?" "Yep, pretty sure it will." :)

So, yeah, there's a strong possibility that this won't do very well with the general public. It's no 300, Spiderman, Ironman or whatever, that's for sure.
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Question for you (and everyone else who has seen Watchmen with friends):

Were they able to guess in advance that Adrian Veidt is behind all of this?
 
shagg_187 said:
Question for you (and everyone else who has seen Watchmen with friends):

Were they able to guess in advance that Adrian Veidt is behind all of this?
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Hm, I didn't actually ask, but no one mentioned it, so I guess not. The realization kind of just hits you, because even though Rorschach and, later on, Dan are trying to find the truth consistently throughout the lenght of the movie ("Who could be behind this?"), there's so much going on that you almost forget about the actual endgame. At least that's how it was for me.
 
Sorry if it's been posted before, but deserves it again. :D

peanuts_watchmen.jpg
 
someawful review said:
The ending is much more positive than the comic and it even contains a thinly-veiled reference to Obama. After the resolution on Mars, we see what has happened to Richard Nixon back on earth. His dead body is in the ruins of the Whitehouse. But a hand reaches down and picks up the seal of the president. A black man's hand...
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:lol

very good
 
Chony said:
I don't know if this review is being counted or yet been posted:

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/truth-media-reviews/watchmen-review-spoilers.php
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Overall, Watchmen will be entertaining to everyone looking for a good popcorn flick to give them a jump start on the summer blockbusters. If you can turn your brain off for the film's overlong 163 minute run time you will enjoy yourself. Zack Snyder has taken the incredible art direction of his films like "300" and "Sin City" a step further. The comic panels leap to life in hyper-realistic color and ultra-violence.
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:lol :lol :lol
 
Masenkame said:
Those SomethingAwful reviews are always strange. Maybe just too absurd.

A few interviews with two cast members and director:

Jeffrey Dean Morgan(The Comedian) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wb_l3vJVhg
Malin Akerman(Silk Spectre II) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UxF1t_taDk
Zach Snyder : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz7e1V6QOlo

As well as a review of the movie from the interviewer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nprLEd5WgY
This dude is way too excited, haha.
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Anyone who can watch that interview with Snyder and STILL think that he doesn't get Watchmen is insane.
 
polyh3dron said:
Anyone who can watch that interview with Snyder and STILL think that he doesn't get Watchmen is insane.
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I believe the issue most people has with Snyder is not that he can't understand a comic book, but that he's a terrible director.
 
ItsInMyVeins said:
I think "Who watches the watchmen?" is sprayed on a wall or something in the comic.
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This isn't a huge spoiler, at least I don't think, but Veidt mentions that in Nixon's intended speech he makes a reference to them (the USA?) being the Watchmen of the walls of freedom, or something like that.
 
I love that part about not being able to do "that" in a movie when so many good movies have done it before. You don't even have to use the flashbacks, montages, whatever. You're not limited to seeing a movie once. The ending requires you to think or pay attention? Fuck that! Change it!

I think I prefer the retarded "LOLZ SQUID! It's too unrealistic!" excuse the fans came up with better than that.
 
OH FUCK!!

Rorschach's journal gotcha bitches! - which leads me to think... why did he even bother going home when he left his journal? If he knew word would get out sooner or later, why wouldn't he just say that he wouldn't tell anyone. Tell Jon that he'll comply.. I mean once it was out in the open there would be no point in killing him. Jon killed him to prevent it, but in the end he couldn't.
 
Extollere said:
OH FUCK!!

Rorschach's journal gotcha bitches! - which leads me to think... why did he even bother going home when he left his journal? If he knew word would get out sooner or later, why wouldn't he just say that he wouldn't tell anyone. Tell Jon that he'll comply.. I mean once it was out in the open there would be no point in killing him. Jon killed him to prevent it, but in the end he couldn't.
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Yeah I loved how Rorshach was even able to outwit DR.Manhattan some how.

So what did you think of the GN??
 
Chichikov said:
I believe the issue most people has with Snyder is not that he can't understand a comic book, but that he's a terrible director.
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To describe him as "terrible" is nonsensical overreaching backlash not unusual to the ravings of ... okay, I'll stop there.
 
SO I read up to book 6. So far I have no idea how they are going to make this a movie. I love the book, but it is almost all origin stories, and character development. Kind of lite on action. It will be interesting to see what they do.
 
Rorschach said:
I love that part about not being able to do "that" in a movie when so many good movies have done it before. You don't even have to use the flashbacks, montages, whatever. You're not limited to seeing a movie once. The ending requires you to think or pay attention? Fuck that! Change it!

I think I prefer the retarded "LOLZ SQUID! It's too unrealistic!" excuse the fans came up with better than that.
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I think the better answer WOULD have been that since they took out the "Black Freighter", the island, the origin of Bubastis etc for time reasons; that there would be no foreshadowin for the squid. Some viewers who didn't read the book complained of how Bubastis came out of nowhere as it is, imagine if the squid thing happened.
 
polyh3dron said:
I think the better answer WOULD have been that since they took out the "Black Freighter", the island, the origin of Bubastis etc for time reasons; that there would be no foreshadowin for the squid. Some viewers who didn't read the book complained of how Bubastis came out of nowhere as it is, imagine if the squid thing happened.
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So if the plotline is out entirely, what does Comedian see during his flyover? Does he see anything? This has always been the biggest concern for me, because otherwise there is no catalyst for the story.
 
Extollere said:
Maybe I missed this too somehow, but what was the purpose of Shea
exploding on the boat
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He wrote the pirate comic, and was one of the writers/artists that
Ozy recruited to create the squid. Once their job was done, Ozy killed them so they couldn't be traced back to Ozy's plan.
 
Extollere said:
OH FUCK!!

Rorschach's journal gotcha bitches! - which leads me to think... why did he even bother going home when he left his journal? If he knew word would get out sooner or later, why wouldn't he just say that he wouldn't tell anyone. Tell Jon that he'll comply.. I mean once it was out in the open there would be no point in killing him. Jon killed him to prevent it, but in the end he couldn't.
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I figured it's because Rorschach isn't going to lie or candy coat anything. If they aren't going to accept his views in their newly built society, he's better off making his final stand and going out with his ideals. The new world they're building has no place for someone like Rorschach, and he knows it. Absolute morals just won't jive in a world built upon gray ones. In the end, he'll expose the truth, but despite that he was going to make his stand, as he wouldn't compromise his morals for anything.

That's how I saw it, anyway.
 
Blader5489 said:
He wrote the pirate comic, and was one of the writers/artists that
Ozy recruited to create the squid. Once their job was done, Ozy killed them so they couldn't be traced back to Ozy's plan.
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How the hell does a writer create a squid? :lol Isn't this more of a massive scientific endeavor? I guess this whole bit will be out of the movie for sure.
 
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