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BobTheFork
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BB has a deal (at least on the website) to get Black Freighter for $5 with any Watchmen movie version (including DC). I'm just going to get that I think. That's 28 for everything. I'll jsut put BF on my laptop and watch a randomly pause the director's cut to watch a sceneRubxQub said:
Valkyr Junkie
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fistfulofmetal said:
Because the Ultimate edition isn't going to be Snyder-approved since it's his film with someone else's spliced into it.
fistfulofmetal
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thats a bullshit excuse. it's just a way to force us to get both versions so we can get all the special features. what a pile of cunt
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bud said:
i would go with the directors cut. there is one scene that was cut out of the theatrical release at the last minute that really should not have been cut.. i saw the scene online and it was sorely missed in the movie.. i havent seen the directors cut, but that scene alone is worth watching the longer version.
polyh3dron
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It actually IS "Snyder-approved" and is not some hack job like your hare brained baseless assumption.Valkyr Junkie said:
Snyder shot scenes at the newsstand to work with the ultimate edition cut. The Black Freighter scenes aren't just randomly spliced in there by some studio exec who wants to make money off of a double dip.
Valkyr Junkie
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polyh3dron said:
Jesus, dude, what crawled up your ass? When did I call it a hackjob? I'm just recalling what someone else on AVS said. However, I did search and I found a articles from last month stating that Snyder's preferred cut of the movie is the Director's Cut (duh) that does not have the Black Freighter inserted into it. So take that as you will, but you'll probably assume I just insulted your mother or something..........
Ok, I kind of bought the DVD Director's Cut (2-disc) by accident from Amazon (clicked on place order while logged in). Oh well, it was a good price (US$16.49) - I wanted to keep shopping around to add something for free shipping, but since I clicked and will pay $2.98, I may as well leave it.
Anyway, it comes with a Digital Copy.
So what's the deal with this? You enter a code, and it downloads from the internet, or from the disc? Is it DRMed? What flavour of DRM? What is the file type/size/bitrate? Will it go into iTunes or what?
Also, it's disappointing that it's the theatrical edition. What's stopping me from just ripping the Director's Cut?
Anyway, it comes with a Digital Copy.
So what's the deal with this? You enter a code, and it downloads from the internet, or from the disc? Is it DRMed? What flavour of DRM? What is the file type/size/bitrate? Will it go into iTunes or what?
Also, it's disappointing that it's the theatrical edition. What's stopping me from just ripping the Director's Cut?
polyh3dron
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I'd stop insulting my mother immediately if I were you. :lolValkyr Junkie said:
And just wait until the Ultimate Edition comes out, Zack will probably change his mind as to which cut he prefers...
BobTheFork
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Hey, jsut a heads up. It turns out that the info from that BR review site is dead wrong. I asked to chekc the packaging of the complete experience and despite what the site says, the extras of the "missing" disc are on the same disc as the games, just not on the movie disc. I went ahead and bough it and watched it all. It has the making of, the "real life" vigilantes bit, the bit on the machines and the music video. It has everything that the DC cut has except the third disc with the theatrical cut. WOOO I win again! The games are par, but I'm glad I got everything I wanted.polyh3dron said:
Kitschkraft
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Just got done watching this for the first time (Directors cut). I've never read the novel.
I'm very impressed. I am usually very bored by these types of movies and have a very empty feeling after watching most of them. To put it simply, this is definitely a movie I will be thinking about for awhile. It wasn't confusing at all for me and by the end I felt as though I had a decent grasps of all the main characters. Also, this is the first movie that I believe is going to get me interested in checking out the comic/graphic novel (These films usually tend to push me away from the source material).
If I had known that this was something that was trying to be a bit cerebral, I would have seen it in theaters.
Only two plot specific things that bothered me really. I actually didn't like seeing Nixon in the film....I understand how important his character is but I feel as though things would have worked out okay had he just been mentioned in passing and not actually seen. I "bought" the whole revisionist history thing, but actually seeing a guy that doesn't really look like Nixon, playing Nixon, made it a bit hard to buy. Really, all the scenes with the government felt like dead weight to me. Maybe these are scenes that were prolonged in the DC? I also didn't like the midget. That whole thing felt out of place. After
I got it that he was a target in prison, and didn't really need this crew showing up to get the point across. I'm guessing they were used to show
?
Can't believe there was so much talk about the penis. It was hardly even noticeable for me. I'm not gonna lie, the first time he is naked on screen..of course I was looking....:lol After that though, it just wasn't something that was very note worthy to me. I think that you would have to really be trying to get offended/grossed out/turned on to care about the nudity in this film.
The song choices...hit or miss for me. I tend to dislike popular songs in movies in general so I'm sorta biased I guess. I thought the song in the very first scene
worked well, probably my favorite use of music in the film. The only song that really made me cringe was Hendrix AAtW...that just really stood out as a bit too much for me for some reason, especially where it was used at the end of the film like that. I understand that WATCHtower seems like a perfect choice but it just felt jarring to me.
I'm very impressed. I am usually very bored by these types of movies and have a very empty feeling after watching most of them. To put it simply, this is definitely a movie I will be thinking about for awhile. It wasn't confusing at all for me and by the end I felt as though I had a decent grasps of all the main characters. Also, this is the first movie that I believe is going to get me interested in checking out the comic/graphic novel (These films usually tend to push me away from the source material).
If I had known that this was something that was trying to be a bit cerebral, I would have seen it in theaters.
Only two plot specific things that bothered me really. I actually didn't like seeing Nixon in the film....I understand how important his character is but I feel as though things would have worked out okay had he just been mentioned in passing and not actually seen. I "bought" the whole revisionist history thing, but actually seeing a guy that doesn't really look like Nixon, playing Nixon, made it a bit hard to buy. Really, all the scenes with the government felt like dead weight to me. Maybe these are scenes that were prolonged in the DC? I also didn't like the midget. That whole thing felt out of place. After
the interview with the psychiatrist, and the scene where he burned the guy with the hot grease,
how Rorsach gets out his cell
Can't believe there was so much talk about the penis. It was hardly even noticeable for me. I'm not gonna lie, the first time he is naked on screen..of course I was looking....:lol After that though, it just wasn't something that was very note worthy to me. I think that you would have to really be trying to get offended/grossed out/turned on to care about the nudity in this film.
The song choices...hit or miss for me. I tend to dislike popular songs in movies in general so I'm sorta biased I guess. I thought the song in the very first scene
(Where the Comedian is killed)
HomerSimpson-Man
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Watched the Director's Cut today. I enjoyed it, though it's a very long movie and the pacing is very slow pace as is even before the DC, as it tries to fit so much. It's a movie that might have done a lot better in theaters if it was more streamlined and edited for the theatrical release.
Watching the DC, the extra's scenes seemed to flow so well that I barely noticed much over the original release. It expands upon the film well enough, just don't expect it be something as huge of a difference as say the Kingdom of Heaven: Director's Cut, which was quite massive.
Watching the DC, the extra's scenes seemed to flow so well that I barely noticed much over the original release. It expands upon the film well enough, just don't expect it be something as huge of a difference as say the Kingdom of Heaven: Director's Cut, which was quite massive.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Aske said:
I feel so ripped off, but then again: I did it to myself...
Liara T'Soni said:
Almost every song used in the movie can be "heard" playing in the comic book or is quoted one way or another. It was merely a fanservice to use them in the movie.
Oh and yes, Manhattan's penis is HARDLY noticeable (unless ofcourse you are watching out for it).
Oh and Nixon, Midget, etc etc... they are all present in the comic. Almost nothing except the idea behind the ending has changed.
Gary Whitta
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So if it's five discs, does the Ultimate set also include the regular Director's Cut and Theatrical Cuts too? If so I'll just wait for that...
Liara T'Soni said:
In the book the stuff with Big Figure is a bit longer, as they use him to explain the irony and direness of Rorschach being in prison. It's more of a fan-service thing, as well as some needed comic relief. It's pretty much the same vibe from the book, although Figure has more of a personality here.
Dammit, I was all ready to buy the Directors Cut and then all this talk about the Ultimate Edition happened. I have the Ultimate Blu-ray edition of Blade Runner (which I would liken to this because it is also 5 discs and has 4 versions of the film on it). Honestly I've only watched the different stuff on those discs maybe once and even then I know I haven't seen all the bonus stuff.
So as a guy who just cares about the movie with all of the extra scenes included, a director's commentary, and some cool bonus stuff is it ok to just go with the Director's edition?
So as a guy who just cares about the movie with all of the extra scenes included, a director's commentary, and some cool bonus stuff is it ok to just go with the Director's edition?
fistfulofmetal
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Gary Whitta said:
from what i've gathered so far. the ultimate edition is missing special features from the directors cut.
I KNOW. MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Gary Whitta said:
From the sound of it, here's how it'll go:
1. Watchmen Director's Cut
2. Special Features (currently present in Director's Cut)
3. Watchmen Director's Cut + The Black Freighter
4. Special Features II (Should include The Black Freighter on it's own, Holis Mason's under the hood, some artwork provided in Watchmen Portraits book, all the footage currently present in BDLive and more).
5. Watchmen Motion Comic
As of now, I own EVERYTHING Watchmen related that I mentioned above in that 5-disc set so I don't know if I'll double-dip. I'll buy Ultimate Edition when it releases individually i.e. Watchmen + Black Freighter.
exarkun said:
You will seriously not miss out on anything if you go with the Director's Cut and don't care about other stuff. You can watch The Black Freighter on it's own if you want to since it doesn't help in driving the story. It's just a bonus addition for graphic novel fans.
fistfulofmetal
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^^ I truly hope you're correct
Ignatz Mouse
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I had an epiphany about the music--
Yes, it's the same tunes referenced in the book-- but since the book is mute, Moore chose songs that were very familiar to people so they could hear them in their head. In the movie, that just makes it seem heavy-handed.
Yes, it's the same tunes referenced in the book-- but since the book is mute, Moore chose songs that were very familiar to people so they could hear them in their head. In the movie, that just makes it seem heavy-handed.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Truant said:
Yep. Those who own The Black Freighter on blu-ray can see one of the transitional scenes on BDLive.
Oh and I love the fact that now you can download BDLive files in HD or SD and you can queue them up and watch them later instead of waiting for the damn buffering.
lakesideflight
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I just rented the movie, read the graphic novel twice, and man the movie was disappointing. I was expecting it to have to leave out a lot of stuff, but so much of the movie was just terrible. The cheesy music and sound effects, crappy extra dialogue, and some of the acting was just awful and awkward in a lot of places, especially the long sex scene. The movie jumps around so much I don't know how anyone who hasn't read the graphic novel beforehand could follow it. I was hoping the movie would be better, spiderman and Harry Potter ended out being pretty good movies and I hoped this one would be too. Anyone else feel this way?
DevelopmentArrested
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no.lakesideflight said:
also holy fuck the Ultimate Movie Mode is crazy awesome.
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Ignatz Mouse said:
i personally did not feel that way. i thought the music went really well with the movie.
The special features from the two-disc Director's Cut will not be present in the Ultimate Collection this Christmas. Snyder mentioned that last month. But it will have a special commentary track that's exclusive to it, though not he interactive commentary that's on the Blu-Ray.
I'm still going to double dip. I'm a Watchmen whore
I'm still going to double dip. I'm a Watchmen whore
SPACECADET
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shagg_187 said:
black freighter is actually going to be woven into the directors cut with added scenes of the comic boy and news stand man to tie it all together. so i don't think there will be a disc solely for black freighter.
lakesideflight said:
nope
There's your problem. For better or worse, this movie was made as more of a fanservice to those who have read Watchmen, or have at least heard of it before. I know a lot of people who didn't get the movie when they first saw it in theaters, but read the graphic novel after and most of it clicked with them.Medalion said:
polyh3dron
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Wow, the Director's Cut improved an already awesome movie.
And yeah, the penis content has been GREATLY exaggerated by the haters. Blade Runner has its haters just like this movie does.
My brother who watched this with me without seeing it in the theater prior to this or knowing anything about the GN let alone having read it LOVED it. He was able to follow it just fine.
Hollis' death scene was one of the highlights IMO, I can't believe it got cut. It was the most beautifully constructed sequence of the whole film.
And yeah, the penis content has been GREATLY exaggerated by the haters. Blade Runner has its haters just like this movie does.
My brother who watched this with me without seeing it in the theater prior to this or knowing anything about the GN let alone having read it LOVED it. He was able to follow it just fine.
polyh3dron
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Really? Fuck. I would have bought that version then. God dammit.BobTheFork said:
overthehill99
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So they are doing the same thing they did with 300, trying to get us all to double dip?
polyh3dron
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I just realized that there was a scene missing from the Director's Cut that was in the theatrical version... It's a flashback with the Comedian at a party that Laurie was at too talking with some people and saying something like "Just don't ask me where I was when JFK got shot".
SPACECADET
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i just finished watching the directors cut, i am in fuckin' love with this dvd.
i watched 10 minutes of maximum movie mode just to get a taste and it's so detailed it blows my mind. i'm gonna watch the whole movie through that feature next week, give it a little time from having seen the DC version tonight.
best dvd purchase i've made.
i watched 10 minutes of maximum movie mode just to get a taste and it's so detailed it blows my mind. i'm gonna watch the whole movie through that feature next week, give it a little time from having seen the DC version tonight.
best dvd purchase i've made.
Blade Runner was mostly panned, but thats because it was badly hacked by the studio, and people didnt know what to make of it. Watchmen didnt suffer that fate. Sure, it was shortened by 24 minutes, but it appears that it wasnt a fim-altering cut. It was simply a movie that, like thousands of other movies, was met with a lukewarm reception from moviegoers and critics alike. It will have a future like most of the movies - it will have its fans, but most will forget about it.
Had WB forced Snyder to insert stuff that he hadnt intended to, and changed the entire tone and ending of the movie, then the WATCHMEN AM BLADE RUNNER 2009 crowd might have a stronger argument.
Had WB forced Snyder to insert stuff that he hadnt intended to, and changed the entire tone and ending of the movie, then the WATCHMEN AM BLADE RUNNER 2009 crowd might have a stronger argument.
SPACECADET
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yup, i was about to say this.Truant said:
boredJonathan
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I really have to say that the added footage really blends well with the overall film. In fact, I'm not sure I even noticed some of it as I only managed to get to the theaters once to see it then. Of course the Hollis death scene was outstanding, and the short additional bits with Dr. Manhattan were great. Also, I'm pretty sure there was more voice over from Rorschach - which were also welcome additions.
Overall, despite the 3 hours length - I really feel this should have been the cut put out into theaters, things just gelled better, and nothing really felt like it was unnecessary.
Unfortunately didn't have time to fool around with the Ultimate Movie Mode thingy, but since I won't be running around all day (dinner with the gf, 10 hour work shift) and actually have the day off - I'm planning on plopping my ass down on the couch to check it out for sure.
Oh and Ultimate Edition better have a fucking awesome commentary track, and amazing documentaries or else I'll be just fine with the DC version. After actually watching Black Freighter I wasn't impressed with the animation style, which is a shame as the story is still really nice and I thought Gerard Butler did a good job voice over wise.
Overall, despite the 3 hours length - I really feel this should have been the cut put out into theaters, things just gelled better, and nothing really felt like it was unnecessary.
Unfortunately didn't have time to fool around with the Ultimate Movie Mode thingy, but since I won't be running around all day (dinner with the gf, 10 hour work shift) and actually have the day off - I'm planning on plopping my ass down on the couch to check it out for sure.
Oh and Ultimate Edition better have a fucking awesome commentary track, and amazing documentaries or else I'll be just fine with the DC version. After actually watching Black Freighter I wasn't impressed with the animation style, which is a shame as the story is still really nice and I thought Gerard Butler did a good job voice over wise.
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