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[Finale Fireworker]

I think Mother 3 is all but confirmed

Spoiler

in my head

at this point.

Lucas's trophy still specifically declares Mother 3 as a Japan-only release though. Which is kind of discouraging.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I am curious if there's a Six Degrees of Ryu now.

Now that he's in Smash, it should be fairly easy.

 

[Mistle]

just saw the twitch gameplay videos. good to see that Roy looks Falco-fied, in that he's not just another Marth/Lucina.

 

[Son Of D]

I am curious if there's a Six Degrees of Ryu now.

Now that he's in Smash, it should be fairly easy.

1. Scorpion
2. Kratos (Mortal Kombat IX)
3. Sophitia (Soul Calibur Broken Destiny)
4. Ayane (Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate)
5. Samus (Dead or Alive Dimensions)
6. Ryu (Super Smash Bros)

Not sure if the Samus inclusion is cheating though since she was just a background cameo.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Hmm, should I limit it only to crossover games? Like focusing only on characters he has fought that aren't Street Fighter characters.

 

[AzureTranquility95]

just saw the twitch gameplay videos. good to see that Roy looks Falco-fied, in that he's not just another Marth/Lucina.

An in-depth post about the changes would be nice, and would probaly encourage more people to spend $4-$5 on Roy as an aside.

Falco's changes in Brawl were simply remarkable. (And then they nerfed him a bit in Smash 4, lol). Only real blemish was LANDMASTER again instead of an Arwing-related Final Smash. :/

 

[Mistle]

aw, they shrunk dream land! still a great stage addition, just wish it kept its proportions.

anyway, so, i understand how they datamined videos and such. but how is someone actually playing them?

 

[IntelliHeath]

Wow, seriously? You'd think shorter range = more power. Ah well, I still appreciate the effort Sakurai put in to make Roy less clone-y, especially since I preferred him over Marth back when I was a kid playing Melee.

....but I guess if Marth/Lucina miss, they pretty much fly off the stage, so I guess less risk?

Did you know that If you missed then you could stop yourself by press B again, right?

Any Smash and Street Fighter fans?

I'm both.

But it seems we're a rare bunch given the commentary about QC motions lol.

Both here, and love it! I'm so thrilled to do FADC, Input, etc.

No wolf? :'(

Keep believing then you should get one.

 

[Zonic]

Hmm, should I limit it only to crossover games? Like focusing only on characters he has fought that aren't Street Fighter characters.

I would, consideiring it'd cut down on time, size, and the fact we know he's fought people like Ken & Akuma so many times.

 

[AR15mex]

Hi guys here are some vids I found on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xcZt_2OrPg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIbxFnT-mKE

watch them as they may get deleted...

on different topic... this means wii u has been hacked bad!!!!

 

[ShockingAlberto]

1. Scorpion
2. Kratos (Mortal Kombat IX)
3. Sophitia (Soul Calibur Broken Destiny)
4. Ayane (Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate)
5. Samus (Dead or Alive Dimensions)
6. Ryu (Super Smash Bros)

Not sure if the Samus inclusion is cheating though since she was just a background cameo.

It's simpler than that.

1. Scorpion
2. Kratos
3. Sophitia
4. Link (Soul Calibur 2)
5. Ryu

 

[Spinosaurus]

aw, they shrunk dream land! still a great stage addition, just wish it kept its proportions.

This is actually good for Smash 4's meta. Since gimps and edgeguarding aren't as prominent and strong as in 64/Melee, it would've been too large of a stage to be neutral. Kills would've taken longer than usual.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I'm surprised at the amount of any Melee Kirby stage and music love here. Easily the most boring stages in Melee and terrible music (one that highlights the problem with Melee's instruments so easily).

 

[Breakless]

Callin' it

Tomorrow reveals/displays:

Ryu
Roy
Lucas
Chorus Kids
Inkling

16th:

Nintendo X Capcom
Fire Emblem 6 VC
Mother 3 VC
Rhythm Heaven + Localization
Splatoon 3DS

I was really hoping Chorus Kids would be there, but we are likely going to have to wait longer. Hopefully we get Wolf on the 16th. No way Inklings are getting in as DLC this time around.

Agree with the 3 localizations. Highly doubt Nintendo x capcom.....and splatoon 3ds is far too early.

 

[Ivan 3414]

aw, they shrunk dream land! still a great stage addition, just wish it kept its proportions.

All the past Melee and 64 stages in Smash 4 are smaller than the games they originally appeared in. The same issue happened in Brawl. I'm not sure why; it might have something to do with the character models being larger than in Melee and 64?

 

[ec0ec0]

From the in-game tips:

Move / Tip

Hadoken

A projectile from a world-class fighting game. Hold down the button to vary how fast it travels. It’ll disappear after a set distance.

Hadoken

Input the commands from the original series to increase the Hadoken’s power. Use it in midair to make Ryu glide slightly.

Hadoken

Quickly input down, down-forward, forward for 1.25x power. You might have to practice a bit to really figure out howtodo a Hadoken.

Hadoken

Input back, down-back, down, down-forward, forward to unleash a fiery Shakunetsu Hadoken that can deal multiple hits.

Shoryuken

When you enter the original commands, Ryu is momentarily invincible, the move is stronger and looks different…and his shout even changes!

Shoryuken

Input the commands from the original series to become invincible until the move is complete. The move needs no recovery time after landing.

Shoryuken

Input forward, down, down-forward for 1.2x attack power. Think you can pull it off? SURE YOU CAN!

Tatsumaki Senpukyaku

Ryu will float up slightly when using this move after a jump, making this spinning side kick great for recovering.

Tatsumaki Senpukyaku

Input the commands from the original series to power up the attack. One thing to remember: you can’t use it repeatedly in midair.

Tatsumaki Senpukyaku

Enter down, down-back, back for 1.16x power. Increasing the strength also increases the move’s speed and travel distance.

Focus Attack

Ryu will hold his stance until you release the button or a certain amount of time has passed. Then he’ll unleash the punch.

Focus Attack

By turning the opposite way the moment Ryu punches, he will strike in that direction instead.

Focus Attack

Hitting an opponent with the fully charged version of this move will make them slowly crumple. Time for a follow-up attack!

Focus Attack

You can cancel this move by pressing left or right twice quickly, either while charging or right after the punch connects.

Focus Attack

Ryu can take one hit while readying for this move. This is true until right before he attacks, even when charging the move to maximum power.

Side Smash Attack

Ryu steps forward and unleashes his Joudan Sokutogeri. The tip of his foot is the strongest part, but it won’t hit a small crouching enemy.

Strong Down Attack (Strong)

You might have seen this kick in the original games. Just like in those, you can cancel the move after striking by going straight into a special.

Strong Down Attack (Strong)

Hold down the attack button while crouching to use this move. You can cancel it into a special even if the foe is shielding, but only if you hit.

Strong Down Attack (Weak)

Use this attack by crouching and tapping the attack button. If you hit a downed opponent with it, you’ll knock them back to their feet.

Strong Side Attack (Strong)

Keep up the pressure on a guarding enemy with Ryu’s Collarbone Breaker, a double hit that’s good for shield breaking.

Up Air Attack

This uppercut hits the enemy twice and has a deceptively large range. It’s fairly easy to hit enemies directly over you.

Front Air Attack

Hitting an enemy with Ryu’s foot has higher launch power, while his upper leg is perfect for shield breaking. It’s a good move for combos.

Down Air Attack

This is the only attack in Ryu’s arsenal that has a meteor effect. If it hits, your victim will fly diagonally downward.

Upward Throw

This move kicks a grabbed opponent straight upward. As Ryu brings his leg back down, he’ll hit anyone else unlucky enough to be in the way.

He also has strong and weak normals depending on if you tap the button or hold it.

how am i supposed to react to this? this is just too much

 

[SovanJedi]

1. Scorpion
2. Kratos (Mortal Kombat IX)
3. Sophitia (Soul Calibur Broken Destiny)
4. Ayane (Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate)
5. Samus (Dead or Alive Dimensions)
6. Ryu (Super Smash Bros)

Not sure if the Samus inclusion is cheating though since she was just a background cameo.

Just change No. 4 and 5 with "returning Soul Calibur 2 character" and "Link", respectively. :V


BLEEERGH, beaten.

 

[Puruzi]

I'm surprised at the amount of any Melee Kirby stage and music love here. Easily the most boring stages in Melee and terrible music (one that highlights the problem with Melee's instruments so easily).

Fountain of Dreams
Terrible music



Excuse me?

 

[Vena]

how am i supposed to react to this? this is just too much

With unprecedented anger.

 

[tauroxd]

I'm really really impressed with Ryu's model and animations in Smash. Looks fantastic.



If MK8's DLC is anything to go by, it should cost considerably less than $20.

I don't think we should think about MK8 when it comes to SSB4 DLC becaude it doesn't wortk in the same way... But I do hope it's less than $20, much less. Like MK8 hahaha

 

[Son Of D]

It's simpler than that.

1. Scorpion
2. Kratos
3. Sophitia
4. Link (Soul Calibur 2)
5. Ryu

Somehow I forgot about Link in SC2. Also could have gone for Heihachi in Soul Calibur 2 then use SFxT to get to Ryu.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

Fountain of Dreams
Terrible music



Excuse me?

Maybe he's like me and never knew Fountain of Dreams picked up after the serene, instrumental prelude. I always finished the stage so quickly in 1P that I thought the whole song was slow, anticlimactic, and peaceful.

I didn't actually hear the whole song until I was trying to figure out why people liked it so much.

 

[Zonic]

I seriously hope there's some kind of bundle for all the characters seeing as it seems all 3 are coming tomorrow. Like $12 for all 3 instead of $15.

I don't think we should think about MK8 when it comes to SSB4 DLC becaude it doesn't wortk in the same way... But I do hope it's less than $20, much less. Like MK8 hahaha

Willing to bet it'll stay $5 per character, so for all 3 for both systems, it'd be $15. Not sure on Dream Land 64 costing money or not.

 

[Zonic]

Crap, meant to edit my above post....

 

[MrSaturn99]

Any Dream Land 64 footage?

I'm surprised at the amount of any Melee Kirby stage and music love here. Easily the most boring stages in Melee and terrible music (one that highlights the problem with Melee's instruments so easily).

The love for certain Melee stages (Yoshi's Story, in particular) eludes me as well, but calling FOD music terrible is even more incomprehensible.

 

[Mizerman]

I'm surprised at the amount of any Melee Kirby stage and music love here. Easily the most boring stages in Melee and terrible music (one that highlights the problem with Melee's instruments so easily).

Fountain of Dreams + Terrible music = Wut.

Inconceivable...

Let's take this outside.

 

[Roo]

Any Dream Land 64 footage?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_3kI9Ogr68

 

[Immaculate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_3kI9Ogr68

we just need hyrule castle and we're set

 

[MrSaturn99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_3kI9Ogr68

Looks alright to me. I'd rather they rebuild the past stages from the ground-up if they're getting too small to accommodate the fighters, but I understand they need to save time.

 

[Choppasmith]

I have to wonder. Would Ryu Kirby get the same directional input bonus for the Hadoken?

Anyone try it yet?

 

[thecoolFNF]

One other reason I dislike the idea is because doing quarter circle turns on a controller is awful.

Look homeage or not I still don't like the inclusion the input and think it is a terrible path to go down regardless if anybody agrees with me or not.

I'll hope for the best but expect the worst. I've said my peace on the manner so I'll take my leave of the thread.


...you have got to be fucking kidding me.

I am done. I am so fucking done.

LOL you can't be serious. The fact that you find qfc inputs a reason to complain kills me

 

[Immaculate]

I seriously hope there's some kind of bundle for all the characters seeing as it seems all 3 are coming tomorrow. Like $12 for all 3 instead of $15.

Willing to bet it'll stay $5 per character, so for all 3 for both systems, it'd be $15. Not sure on Dream Land 64 costing money or not.

What would be cooler is if they were free for like an extremely limited time(2 hours after the direct)

But I know that wont happen

 

[ShockingAlberto]

...you have got to be fucking kidding me.

I am done. I am so fucking done.

...back, down-back, down, down-forward, forward is a half circle

It's not this intensely complicated thing

You know circles? It's half of one of those.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

What would be cooler is if they were free for like an extremely limited time(2 hours after the direct)

But I know that wont happen

It'd be eeeeeven cooler if they gave out a free Wii U to everyone for an hour after the direct.

 

[Zonic]

What would be cooler is if they were free for like an extremely limited time(2 hours after the direct)

But I know that wont happen

Buy 2, get one free or for a discount.

....or own 3 DLC characters, get the fourth free.

Though yeah, would be amazing if something (maybe DL64 stage) was free for a limited time, like for a few days during E3.

Now that I think about it, I wonder what the chances are of a "season pass" similar to MK8 & Hyrule Warriors with 3 characters & 2 stages confirmed so far.

 

[Coolbgdog12]

This is incredible. This is just wow.. Huge leak.. But damn if this isn't great. Smash 4 most amazin game evar confirmed.

 

[tauroxd]

Buy 2, get one free or for a discount.

....or own 3 DLC characters, get the fourth free.

Though yeah, would be amazing if something (maybe DL64 stage) was free for a limited time, like for a few days during E3.

Now that I think about it, I wonder what the chances are of a "season pass" similar to MK8 & Hyrule Warriors with 3 characters & 2 stages confirmed so far.

I think that a season pass it's the best deal for both parts, us and Nintendo.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

They are probably gonna release a Ultra version of Smash Bros next year with all DLC and super balling alternate cover

 

[FyreWulff]

Buy 2, get one free or for a discount.

....or own 3 DLC characters, get the fourth free.

Though yeah, would be amazing if something (maybe DL64 stage) was free for a limited time, like for a few days during E3.

Now that I think about it, I wonder what the chances are of a "season pass" similar to MK8 & Hyrule Warriors with 3 characters & 2 stages confirmed so far.

I'm going to assume there's going to be a later retail SKU of smash that has all of the DLC on the disc

 

[Roo]

Looks alright to me. I'd rather they rebuild the past stages from the ground-up if they're getting too small to accommodate the fighters, but I understand they need to save time.

More than the size of the stage, it bothers how they shamelessly ported the N64 stage over.
The high quality character models simply clash in such a low res texture enviroment.

Why they didn't give the Mario Kart treatment to the retro stages? You're basically playing the same stage you did 10+ years ago but with new life in it. Better lightning, geometry, shadding and textures.

lolno, simply rip the textures from the original game and call it a day.

 

[Dinjoralo]

Callin' it

Tomorrow reveals/displays:

Ryu
Roy
Lucas
Chorus Kids
Inkling

16th:

Nintendo X Capcom
Fire Emblem 6 VC
Mother 3 VC
Rhythm Heaven + Localization
Splatoon 3DS

Okay, for real, why do people want the chorus kids from Rhythm Heaven? That's just a stupid idea for a character.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Okay, for real, why do people want the chorus kids from Rhythm Heaven? That's just a stupid idea for a character.

Because they're adorable and Rhythm Heaven is an amazing franchise that deserves a character

 

[Revven]

More than the size of the stage, it bothers how they shamelessly ported the N64 stage over.
The high quality character models simply clash in such a low res texture enviroment.

Why they didn't give the Mario Kart treatment to the retro stages? You're basically playing the same stage you did 10+ years ago but with new life in it. Better lightning, geometry, shadding and textures.

lolno, simply rip the textures from the original game and call it a day.

I like it how it is. :V

 

[FSLink]

More than the size of the stage, it bothers how they shamelessly ported the N64 stage over.
The high quality character models simply clash in such a low res texture enviroment.

Why they didn't give the Mario Kart treatment to the retro stages? You're basically playing the same stage you did 10+ years ago but with new life in it. Better lightning, geometry, shadding and textures.

lolno, simply rip the textures from the original game and call it a day.

Like how they clash in Pac-Land, Duck Hunt, etc.

Okay, for real, why do people want the chorus kids from Rhythm Heaven? That's just a stupid idea for a character.

You serious? They're cute and the RH series in general has tons of creative characters and possible ideas for moves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKvgZI1CJq0

You're telling me you can't look at that video and imagine what kind of zany moves Chorus Kids or any other RH rep could be using?

 

[Real Hero]

Okay, for real, why do people want the chorus kids from Rhythm Heaven? That's just a stupid idea for a character.

Huh why is it stupid?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

More than the size of the stage, it bothers how they shamelessly ported the N64 stage over.
The high quality character models simply clash in such a low res texture enviroment.

Why they didn't give the Mario Kart treatment to the retro stages? You're basically playing the same stage you did 10+ years ago but with new life in it. Better lightning, geometry, shadding and textures.

lolno, simply rip the textures from the original game and call it a day.

But they didn't rip the textures, they rebuilt them. They just rebuilt them to look exactly the same.

vs.

You can say you'd rather have them rebuilt in modern graphics, but clearly they're aiming for an exact copy. That's not the same thing as ripping the textures.

People probably need to stop equating "I don't like this decision" to "This clearly required no work because I don't like it."

 

[IntelliHeath]

It's simpler than that.

1. Scorpion
2. Kratos
3. Sophitia
4. Link (Soul Calibur 2)
5. Ryu

1. Mario
2. Sonic
3. Mega Man
4. Pac Man
5. Ryu

or

1. Mario
2. Sonic
3. Pac Man
4. Mega Man
5. Ryu

 

[TheOGB]

Wait why didn't ya'll tell me about this new Kirby remix, it's damn good

 

[SmackAttack]

Holy wow, 84 pages? I'm happy to see our boy Roy is back and Ryu is really something. I knew he was likely coming but still didn't expect two Capcom characters in there. I do wish this didn't get leaked though. I mean, we got so close and yet it's a Nintendo leak no less. I wonder if this was all the Smash news we were gonna get.

 

[Roo]

Like how they clash in Pac-Land, Duck Hunt, etc.

I can't stand that stage. gameplay and visual wise it's trash

But they didn't rip the textures, they rebuilt them. They just rebuilt them to look exactly the same.

You can say you'd rather have them rebuilt in modern graphics, but clearly they're aiming for an exact copy. That's not the same thing as ripping the textures.

People probably need to stop equating "I don't like this decision" to "This clearly required no work because I don't like it."

They take the "retro" line way too seriously lol