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Awesome, thank you. I can deal with the slow battles and since i can look forward to having a more consistent party i will power through it. Side note, what FF games would you recommend for someone who's spent a lot more time with DQ than FF?
If you like the Dragon Quest formula more, the older games are probably where I recommend looking. You mentioned you had played 3 - which means you either played this game:



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Which one was it? Did you like it?

The closest Final Fantasy games to the Dragon Quest formula would either be the first game (NES) or Final Fantasy V (SNES). Final Fantasy V is known for having an amazing class system that has had a huge impact on most JRPGs since. If you did indeed play 3 (NES or DS remake) then the class system is essentially an evolution of that. It's also a huge inspiration behind 11 and 14's (MMO) class systems. It's also a game where you practically start the game with four party members, and keep them throughout the game. Final Fantasy V definitely has it's own quirks, but it sounds like it might be right up your alley. The "modern" version (available on Steam and phones) has some questionable graphical choices but overall the core gameplay loop as well as the story is still intact.

Moving forward slightly Final Fantasy X I consider to be a great entry in the series that has an interesting story, voiced dialog, turn-based combat, and a fun skill / class / leveling system. The remaster on modern consoles does a pretty good job of making the game not look like a PS2 title, and it's been out for a while so it's cheap almost everywhere.

If you're looking for something more modern it gets a bit tougher, as after 10 the series turned into either MMO (11, 14) titles or AAA cutscene games (13, 15, and to a lesser extent 12). The spin-off World of Final Fantasy somewhat fits the mold of the older games, but it's got really cringey dialog and a psuedo-Pokemon monster-catching aspect that a lot of people don't care much for. Not that any of these games are bad, I love them all for their own reasons, they're just hard to recommend to someone as RPG games because they're all so wildly different. It's really going to depend on your tastes.
 
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I was never the biggest FFIX fan, though I was glad they at least tried to get back to the roots after FFVIII (I hated that one), but you can't deny that its setting has a certain beauty to it.

FFVI and FFVII are in my opinion the only must-play FF games, the others depend strongly on taste.

However if you want a good traditional JRPG closer to Dragon Quest, I'd probaby recommend FFIV. But if you didn't like FFIX, it's unlikely you'll like FFIV.
 

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If you like the Dragon Quest formula more, the older games are probably where I recommend looking. You mentioned you had played 3 - which means you either played this game:



or this game:



Which one was it? Did you like it?

The closest Final Fantasy games to the Dragon Quest formula would either be the first game (NES) or Final Fantasy V (SNES). Final Fantasy V is known for having an amazing class system that has had a huge impact on most JRPGs since. If you did indeed play 3 (NES or DS remake) then the class system is essentially an evolution of that. It's also a huge inspiration behind 11 and 14's (MMO) class systems. It's also a game where you practically start the game with four party members, and keep them throughout the game. Final Fantasy V definitely has it's own quirks, but it sounds like it might be right up your alley. The "modern" version (available on Steam and phones) has some questionable graphical choices but overall the core gameplay loop as well as the story is still intact.

Moving forward slightly Final Fantasy X I consider to be a great entry in the series that has an interesting story, voiced dialog, turn-based combat, and a fun skill / class / leveling system. The remaster on modern consoles does a pretty good job of making the game not look like a PS2 title, and it's been out for a while so it's cheap almost everywhere.

If you're looking for something more modern it gets a bit tougher, as after 10 the series turned into either MMO (11, 14) titles or AAA cutscene games (13, 15, and to a lesser extent 12). The spin-off World of Final Fantasy somewhat fits the mold of the older games, but it's got really cringey dialog and a psuedo-Pokemon monster-catching aspect that a lot of people don't care much for. Not that any of these games are bad, I love them all for their own reasons, they're just hard to recommend to someone as RPG games because they're all so wildly different. It's really going to depend on your tastes.
I played the bottom one which i'm guessing is not the real 3rd? I liked it ok but dropped it for some reason. Maybe because it was on an old ipad and i had to restart it so i never did finish it. FFV looks really good, i'm going to grab that one. Going to look into X as well . Thanks again
I was never the biggest FFIX fan, though I was glad they at least tried to get back to the roots after FFVIII (I hated that one), but you can't deny that its setting has a certain beauty to it.

FFVI and FFVII are in my opinion the only must-play FF games, the others depend strongly on taste.

However if you want a good traditional JRPG closer to Dragon Quest, I'd probaby recommend FFIV. But if you didn't like FFIX, it's unlikely you'll like FFIV.
The setting is nice enough. It's just the static screens i have an issue with. They're often hard to navigate and it's easy to miss items and there is also a huge disconnect between them and the overworld. It's almost like 2 different games spliced together. I guess my biggest gripe with IX so far has been the constant character switching but since it gets better, i'll stick with it. How is FFIV similar to FFIX? FFIV looks much more like a DQ game just from screenshots. Do they mess with your party all the time in it?
 
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I played FFIX for the first time last year and I enjoyed it. Not as much as FFVII, but still pretty good. I thought the game was gorgeous and the title music was amazing. But, yeah. The characters chopping and changing was annoying.
 

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I played the bottom one which i'm guessing is not the real 3rd? I liked it ok but dropped it for some reason. Maybe because it was on an old ipad and i had to restart it so i never did finish it. FFV looks really good, i'm going to grab that one. Going to look into X as well . Thanks again
The ones you played is actually the 3rd.

The top one is FFVI and you really REALLY should play it. It's the best one there is in my opinion.

The setting is nice enough. It's just the static screens i have an issue with. They're often hard to navigate and it's easy to miss items and there is also a huge disconnect between them and the overworld. It's almost like 2 different games spliced together.
That's called prerendered background. Did not grow up with that style? Then I can see it's hard to get into. PSX-era I always thought prerendered background style was amazing because of the photorealistic picture in comparison to 3D models back then.
It didn't age too well, but there's some nostalgia for it lately (after there's been nostalgia for 2D, this is basically the next big nostalgia graphics style).

I don't mind having to search every inch and corner of every picture to find "hidden" doors and stuff. That's part of the fun for me.

I guess my biggest gripe with IX so far has been the constant character switching but since it gets better, i'll stick with it.
I kind of like this more than having to decide yourself who to put into your active party. Never can decide.

How is FFIV similar to FFIX? FFIV looks much more like a DQ game just from screenshots. Do they mess with your party all the time in it?
Yes FFIV is like FFXI as in the party constantly switches. This is basically to keep the gameplay fresh. There isn't much customization but instead each character is very unique in how he/she plays.
 
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The ones you played is actually the 3rd.

The top one is FFVI and you really REALLY should play it. It's the best one there is in my opinion.


That's called prerendered background. Did not grow up with that style? Then I can see it's hard to get into. PSX-era I always thought prerendered background style was amazing because of the photorealistic picture in comparison to 3D models back then.
It didn't age too well, but there's some nostalgia for it lately (after there's been nostalgia for 2D, this is basically the next big nostalgia graphics style).

I don't mind having to search every inch and corner of every picture to find "hidden" doors and stuff. That's part of the fun for me.


I kind of like this more than having to decide yourself who to put into your active party. Never can decide.


Yes FFIV is like FFXI as in the party constantly switches. This is basically to keep the gameplay fresh. There isn't much customization but instead each character is very unique in how he/she plays.
Thanks. Ok, so i did play 3. I'll keep FFVI in mind. Yea, i did play some games with prerendered bgs but they have aged like milk which is why i suspect that nostalgia plays a big part in why people don't mind them now. I wasn't big on FF back then. I played VII and tactics on release but that's it. I like VII but would not want to replay it. I love tactics and have replayed it several times on various platforms. As a whole I always found DQ games more appealing but i want to give FF a fair shot. I'm going to keep going with IX and i grabbed X and X-2 pretty cheap for later where i will also get V and VI. I think you're right that i would not like IV. I prefer making those decisions on my own and building characters the way i like it

Thanks again to both of you, you've been very helpful

I'now roughly 16 hours into FFIX and it's starting to grow on me. I'm sailing around looking for Cids wife in order to turn him human again. Having a much more fixed party with multiple characters to choose from really makes a difference and the story has switched up a gear or 2

Another update and this is going to be a rant so feel free to ignore it. I just need to vent my frustration here

So i'm roughly 17 hours in and enjoying the game. Freedom to sail around, a good stable core party and the story is starting to take off and then i go to the Desert Palace...

After being captured i now have to decide on a party to go grab the stone for Kuja. Since i'm told that magic doesn't work there, Vivi is obviously benched as is Dagger. I travel to the forgotten continent and everything goes fine except for the final boss which i had to replay once. The reason being that it relies entirely on confusion which i have no remedy or protection against so it largely relies on luck. That's shitty design. Anyway, second time is the charm and i grab the stone. Then the real frustration starts

First off is the stupid sequence to grab the key. Annoying but not hard. So now i have to disable a trap which is lighting all the lights and this is where the troubles starts. This goes back to the prerenders and how it's very easy to miss things. I've had to backtrack a lot because lights that appeared to be lit were in fact not. That would be tolerable if not for the fact that this party includes a healer who often simply skips her turn because she can't concentrate and 2 characters i haven't used except when forced to and who are therefore under levelled and under geared. It doesn't help any that you can't take 5 steps without spawning random encounters and in here half of them seem to rely on confusion, again, and physical counters which can one shot my characters, severely limiting my options. So i'm forced to rely mainly on Vivi who is very capable but since i haven't been near a shop for a good while and ether potions are scarce, i foresee another major issue soon. This is the point very i logged out

At this point i'm not sure if it's the good sides of game that makes me push on or if it's some kind of battered wife thing. It may even be a sunk cost issue. At any rate i'm very frustrated with the game right now which really sucks since the past couple of hours before the palace have been very enjoyable

Rant over
 
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Neverwinter Knights 2. Underrated, under discussed. I loved that game, wasn't able to finish it because stream threw my save out of an airplane when i started storming demon fortresses or whatever, but i had by then leveled my keep up heaps and put huge thought into my characters etc.. amazing how many ques Pillars of Eternity seemed to take from that title~~

Oblivion, a forgotten tes game. Everyone is so big on Skyrim (rightly), plenty of people are hipster about Morrowind (i completed Morrowind and became a lord and passed all the trials to become the dark elf champion of whatever so clearly i liked and respected that game), it seems like Oblivion has kind of lapsed into a middle ground anonymity.

People seem to think it's boring, the setting, whathaveyou.. i couldn't disagree more. Maybe it is kind of standard Albion high fantasy, but i seriously needed a big dose of that when it came out. I just needed to stroll through wooded glades, explore bump mapped crypts, take back paths all day long.. Oblivion was hugely immersive and had some great quest chains, rivals of Morrowind..

I'll write threads on this phenomenon when i FINALLY get membership, but time hugely distorts one's memory of and appreciation of games. I remember when i was quaking in my prostrate at the thought of escorting the Emperor through the jail catacombs, being a Blade... Seeing those red icons for locked doors or owned horses, whathaveyou... Skyrim obscured scores of hours that i put into this field, if not hundreds, peeling away that later title really reminds me how immersive and mind opening that game was. I'm going to play this game again. I can't really do that with Morrowind. I once overcame how basic the controls were enough to complete huge swathes of the game, but i could never go back that far after The Witcher 3.
 
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Neverwinter Knights 2. Underrated, under discussed. I loved that game, wasn't able to finish it because stream threw my save out of an airplane when i started storming demon fortresses or whatever, but i had by then leveled my keep up heaps and put huge thought into my characters etc.. amazing how many ques Pillars of Eternity seemed to take from that title~~

Oblivion, a forgotten tes game. Everyone is so big on Skyrim (rightly), plenty of people are hipster about Morrowind (i completed Morrowind and became a lord and passed all the trials to become the dark elf champion of whatever so clearly i liked and respected that game), it seems like Oblivion has kind of lapsed into a middle ground anonymity.

People seem to think it's boring, the setting, whathaveyou.. i couldn't disagree more. Maybe it is kind of standard Albion high fantasy, but i seriously needed a big dose of that when it came out. I just needed to stroll through wooded glades, explore bump mapped crypts, take back paths all day long.. Oblivion was hugely immersive and had some great quest chains, rivals of Morrowind..

I'll write threads on this phenomenon when i FINALLY get membership, but time hugely distorts one's memory of and appreciation of games. I remember when i was quaking in my prostrate at the thought of escorting the Emperor through the jail catacombs, being a Blade... Seeing those red icons for locked doors or owned horses, whathaveyou... Skyrim obscured scores of hours that i put into this field, if not hundreds, peeling away that later title really reminds me how immersive and mind opening that game was. I'm going to play this game again. I can't really do that with Morrowind. I once overcame how basic the controls were enough to complete huge swathes of the game, but i could never go back that far after The Witcher 3.
Oblivion was huge when it came out. I think it’s just the younger generation gamers that don’t really know it.

I wish it would get ported to Switch because I’d love to replay it, but I want my RPGs with a portable option nowadays. I’ve been spoiled.
 
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Oblivion was huge when it came out. I think it’s just the younger generation gamers that don’t really know it.
You know what i really miss, but don't think i could ever experience again? Tribunal, from the Morrowind expansion. Morrowind had some kind of art direction. I loved velothi towers with their carved doors and walls, and tribunal interiors were just awesome.

I say i can't experience it again because i don't think i can immerse myself in it in the same way i once did, now that my bar for gameplay and controls etc is so much higher.. even a graphics overhaul isn't enough, indeed it would just show up even more how the proportions and NPCs are so prehistoric... Shame

But hey, if i can't shout out to it in this thread, where else?~~~
 
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FFIX done and i still don't get it. I've seen lots of people talking about it as one of the greatest RPGs of all time and i'm confused as to why. The story is full of one in a million coincidences that are not explained, i'm still not entirely sure what Garland was on about Zidanes true identity in the end and the battle system is a crime against gaming. They call it active battle but it's anything but that. I fail to see what that system adds compared to standard turned based combat let alone anything to excuse how incredibly slow it is. My save says it took me 30 hours to complete and that's with very liberal use of the 3 x speed feature. I'd like to see some stats showing how much of that time was spent just waiting while fighting. I'm fairly sure it's a substantial amount of time. Speaking of the boosts, it's safe to say i would not have completed the game had it not been there. The same goes for the ability to disable random encounters. Hello Desert Palace. Oh and who ever decided that saving should include a long npc animation that can't be skipped should be fired

It's not all bad. There are some good characters and interesting environments but all in all i don't understand how some people rate it as the best RPG ever

On to FFX
 

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Awesome, thank you. I can deal with the slow battles and since i can look forward to having a more consistent party i will power through it. Side note, what FF games would you recommend for someone who's spent a lot more time with DQ than FF? I'm not particular about the setting as long as the game is good
3/9/6/5 and WoFF.

You'll only like 9 and WoFF if you played most of the FF games. Since they are like a loveletter to the series btw.
 
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Okay so I caught the Baron Garayan in Dark Cloud to get the platinum trophy and the more I look at that fish the more I question what kind of evolution had to take place for the Baron to look like it does
 

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hours and hours of gameplay invested in witcher series games, especially the third installement. Planning to replay that one on death march :messenger_peace:
 

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I’m roughly 10 hours into FFX and I keep losing interest and playing something else because of blitzball. I hate it. I can’t win the first game and I refuse to continue the rest of the game until I win it (lol), but everytime I lose and have to reload my save, I’m forced to watch 10 minutes of unskippable cutscenes. It’s torture, I tell you.
 
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I’m roughly 10 hours into FFX and I keep losing interest and playing something else because of blitzball. I hate it. I can’t win the first game and I refuse to continue the rest of the game until I win it (lol), but everytime I lose and have to reload my save, I’m forced to watch 10 minutes of unskippable cutscenes. It’s torture, I tell you.
I can't get into the blitzball stuff and it's the main reason I've never got all the Celestial weapons
 
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hours and hours of gameplay invested in witcher series games, especially the third installement. Planning to replay that one on death march :messenger_peace:
I loved Witcher 1 and 2 but hated 3. It's the game that helped me realize I just don't like open world games.
 

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Not counting Phantasy Star Online and a bit of PSO2 JP, I haven't played much on the RPG front in three or four years. The last one I played was Xenoblade Chronicles, though never finished it. Not sure I'll ever bother getting my hands on a Wii to finish it. Not a bad game, I just believe my mind isn't into a 3D JRPG at this stage of my life. Octopath Traveler looked cool in videos. May get a switch some day and give it a crack.

Recently came across Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky. Looks cool, though getting into that sounds like a can of worms.

 

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I’m roughly 10 hours into FFX and I keep losing interest and playing something else because of blitzball. I hate it. I can’t win the first game and I refuse to continue the rest of the game until I win it (lol), but everytime I lose and have to reload my save, I’m forced to watch 10 minutes of unskippable cutscenes. It’s torture, I tell you.
Play FF12 instead.
 

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OH, wow, so this is getting remastered.


The pretty graphics are starting to make me take back what I was saying about not wanting to play a 3D JRPG....
 

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I bought FFX/X-2 for muh Switch last night and then found out it's too big to download. Have had to take a Prime trial to get a Micro-SD card :|

Also bought a ton of guitar equipment. Literally one cable that would arrive before 24 April.
 
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It comes out in a couple months too. I can't wait I love the xeno series in general.

Since I wasn't keeping up on gaming news this completely blindsided me when I randomly decided to watch the latest Direct last night. Good stuff.

This morning I started dreaming of another remake. One which involves Monolith Soft collaborating with whomever they need to make a Skies of Arcadia remake happen.
 
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I’m roughly 10 hours into FFX and I keep losing interest and playing something else because of blitzball. I hate it. I can’t win the first game and I refuse to continue the rest of the game until I win it (lol), but everytime I lose and have to reload my save, I’m forced to watch 10 minutes of unskippable cutscenes. It’s torture, I tell you.
So, after having this rant, I gave it one last shot before I was considering giving up again and...I won! Finally.

Now time to see what the rest of this game is like...
 
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I loved Witcher 1 and 2 but hated 3. It's the game that helped me realize I just don't like open world games.
Interesting! I'm thinking about starting it but I'm afraid it is kinda overwhelming...I don't have a lot of time to play, I mean, I do now but after all this shit is over...
 

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I am going to start Jade Empire for the first time, next week. I read many positive reviews about it.
Fantastic game! Played it when it came out on the original Xbox in what, 2005 or something? Great story, classic Bioware. One of the games that I'd like to see get a remake.

Just started The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel, hoping to finish it on time for Xenoblade Chronicles: DE release. Gonna be a tight squeeze :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 

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I need to play Lost Odyssey on 360 but I'm in the middle of collecting the rest of the xeno games I'm missing from my collection
 

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I only liked The Witcher 2 from the series. Because it was more like a JRPG. The Witcher 1 was just too large segments without any combat that got me bored and The Witcher 3 felt like I was just working through huge lists of quests, it didn't really give me the thrill of exploration and adventure that I want in an open world RPG.

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I bought Ara Fell Enhanced Edition some days ago and finished it today. Best game I've played this year so far.
 
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OH, wow, so this is getting remastered.


The pretty graphics are starting to make me take back what I was saying about not wanting to play a 3D JRPG....
I was weak and I preordered it. Even if I already played it on Wii. But the additional chapter was enough to convince me
 
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I don't think that I have much left of Bravely Second. I got the Yokai job, which has been the most challenging thing in the game, so far.
 

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I don't think that I have much left of Bravely Second. I got the Yokai job, which has been the most challenging thing in the game, so far.
I got that game when it came out and I played like 2 hours but never went back to it. I don't even remember why.
 

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I’m roughly 10 hours into FFX and I keep losing interest and playing something else because of blitzball. I hate it. I can’t win the first game and I refuse to continue the rest of the game until I win it (lol), but everytime I lose and have to reload my save, I’m forced to watch 10 minutes of unskippable cutscenes. It’s torture, I tell you.
I can't get into the blitzball stuff and it's the main reason I've never got all the Celestial weapons
I loved FFX on PS2 back in the days. And blitzball was my favorite minigame. Spend dozen of hours on it. But yes the beginning is hard.

What I really liked (especially when I had really strong players) was to recruit a low lvl character and train it. Then release it in order that he/she can be recruited by others teams.
I was kind of proud when I was seeing them in other team :)
 
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I got that game when it came out and I played like 2 hours but never went back to it. I don't even remember why.
If I had to guess, I'd say writing of the story and characters. What keeps me playing is the enjoyment I get out of the job system. The same goes for the first game. It was all about the combat for me.

Judging from the Bravely Default II demo, writing won't be the strong point in that game either.
 
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About 6 hours into Breath of Fire 3. Haven't played it in about 20 years and never finished it. Anyone else a fan of this game? I feel like it's overlooked because of BoF4 and the other RPGs of the time.
 

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Breath of Fire 3 didn't work for me for some reason. I kind of had the problem that battles took so much of my resources that I could never really earn money and eventually the game got so hard I just couldn't get further.

I mean Breath of Fire 2 was even harder, but for some reason I felt like I enjoyed it more for the time I played it.

Breath of Fire 4 felt much better balanced except for the final dungeon and boss.

At least all those games are better than Dragon Quarter, which is my most hated game of all time. But that's partially due to the changes in the European version.
 
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At least all those games are better than Dragon Quarter, which is my most hated game of all time. But that's partially due to the changes in the European version.

For someone with no knowledge about this, what were the changes?
Yes, please do tell. I find this kind of stuff interesting, like the many changes that were done from Japan to US of Dirge or Cerberus.

Side note. BoF DQ is on my list to revisit, as I rented it a long time back and had mixed feelings
 

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I honestly dont mind Dragon Quarter but I think that's because I played it first and it's my mother's favorite breath of fire
 

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Breath of Fire 3 didn't work for me for some reason. I kind of had the problem that battles took so much of my resources that I could never really earn money and eventually the game got so hard I just couldn't get further.

I mean Breath of Fire 2 was even harder, but for some reason I felt like I enjoyed it more for the time I played it.

Breath of Fire 4 felt much better balanced except for the final dungeon and boss.

At least all those games are better than Dragon Quarter, which is my most hated game of all time. But that's partially due to the changes in the European version.
BoF 3 requires a lot of grinding, that's for sure. The difficulty is all over the place and I feel like I'm routinely underleveled. With that said, I enjoyed it quite a bit more than the rest of the series. I need to play BoF4 again though.
 

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For someone with no knowledge about this, what were the changes?
Yes, please do tell. I find this kind of stuff interesting, like the many changes that were done from Japan to US of Dirge or Cerberus.
In the EU version they removed the quick save feature (apparently the "evil" Americans abused this feature by copying the quick saves on another memory card to have unlimited saves and it was considered such a bad exploit that they removed quick save altogether) leaving you with only 9 total save token for the whole playthrough.

They also removed the restart feature (the "Keep Exp" part) until you've cleared the game once (basically implemented as New Game+).

I never managed to even beat the tutorial dungeon. Gave up in frustration after 3rd try. Worst wasted $60 ever.
 

ROMhack

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Scopa Scopa How are you fairing with FFX? I'm about ten hours in and finding the story to be hot garbage. If the gameplay weren't so fun I might consider ending it (all).
 
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