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RTTP: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
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Refreshment.01
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And this is what Wind Waker is, a collection of amazing gameplay mechanics that aren't exploited to full potential. Nintendo was in such a rush to have the game ready that they even set up for a world covered by sea as a design method to speed up the devlopment process.
It's like you said. The sailing mechanic is really good, but nothing it's achieved with it. Not even ship to ship battles?! Only questionable part of sailing it's because of how NIntendo implemeted the baton of Wind. That's easily fixable with some clever controller mapping.
Re-release in HD on WiiU + splice in the two cut dungeons (which also means two new bosses, and perhap two new items!) + one new island to visit per square on the map (49 new islands!) + WiiU GamePad support for on-the-fly inventory and map, and/or Tingle Tuner + orchestral music (with an option for original midi) + DIFFICULTY SELECT = greatest game ever.
I don't remember any other tunes from the game, but the main theme is some of the best music in the series. Always puts a smile on my face.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEoU70DXr90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEoU70DXr90
I thought this, too. XD
And The Wind Waker is still my #1 Zelda game as well. I was hoping that Skyward Sword would top it, and I believe it did in some areas (the controls were fantastic), but overall it still didn't beat The Wind Waker for me.
TAS
Member
I would pay $100 for that without hesitation.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Rather than 49 new islands, I'd rather they let us explore the area beneath the sea. Maybe more dungeons there?
m.i.s.
Banned
Should've put a smiley at the end of the post for those taking my post too literally. And the bolded above is subjective anyway.
PThe triforce hunt would've been so much better if they just decided to put the triforce pieces directly in the treasures instead of the maps that tell you where to find them. Getting these maps was still fun, as you have to visit several mini-dungeons to get them.
I really like that game and it gives me a feel of a great explorer. Many islands are purely optional and some even have some nice caves. And all the other stuff there like submarines, great octupii and maps that show you where to find some treasure. I liked that. Yes, I would've loved to have some more bigger islands, but Wind Waker is still one of the games where I absolutely felt like an explorer.
And speaking about the difficulty, ever played Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon for the N64? Wind Waker is like Dark Souls compared to it.
I really like that game and it gives me a feel of a great explorer. Many islands are purely optional and some even have some nice caves. And all the other stuff there like submarines, great octupii and maps that show you where to find some treasure. I liked that. Yes, I would've loved to have some more bigger islands, but Wind Waker is still one of the games where I absolutely felt like an explorer.
And speaking about the difficulty, ever played Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon for the N64? Wind Waker is like Dark Souls compared to it.
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
I always wanted to explore the mountains, forest, and rivers in Hyrule:
Such a shame, too.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Wind Waker is the only 3D Zelda that I truly love. It's my third favorite after Link's Awakening and Link to the Past.
Adding 49 new small islands, one per square on the map, would make exploration of the seas much more interesting, because then there would be at least two interesting destinations per square. Perhaps a number of new sidequests could span these additional isles, I.E. a character on a new isle in square 7G needs you to bring something to a character on an island in square A1. Since the islands themselves would be compact enough, it wouldn't be too massive a design chore, and with the Great Sea being so expansive, it'd be a great way to break up the nothingness.
Nocturnowl
Member
Well I wouldn't call them broken but it's certainly a bit worrying when I consider the first proper dungeon (Dragon Roost Island) the most enjoyable one in the game.
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
Switching to the deku and the bird girl was annoying as fook, especially the deku. He was so damn slow, and it was annoying dying and restarting all over again.
FORMULA FOR THE PERFECT ZELDA:
+ Story, characters, sidequests and time-driven world of Majora's Mask
+ Art direction, whimsy and charm, and exploration of The Wind Waker
+ Combat, dungeons and puzzle-solving of Twilight Princess
+ Density of design per acre of Link's Awakening
You're welcome, Nintendo, send my check in the mail.
+ Story, characters, sidequests and time-driven world of Majora's Mask
+ Art direction, whimsy and charm, and exploration of The Wind Waker
+ Combat, dungeons and puzzle-solving of Twilight Princess
+ Density of design per acre of Link's Awakening
You're welcome, Nintendo, send my check in the mail.
DisenLedZep
Member
Nintendo should take this game, and realease it in complete form for the 3DS...
I know I would buy it day zero.
I know I would buy it day zero.
radioheadrule83
Banned
I always wanted to explore the mountains, forest, and rivers in Hyrule:
Such a shame, too.
Yeah imagine taking the King of Red lions up a river like that in the distance!
Remember the way the moblins came to life in the castle?
There could have been more moments like that throughout the land under the sea... bringing towns and villagers to life, bringing Epona to life, it could have been part of the mission to get them topside before the face-off with Ganon.
Nocturnowl
Member
One of the main reasons I kind of dislike the final two dungeons, the command melody is burnt into my head by excessive use.
+ The Pacing of Ocarina of Time
+ Soundtrack on the level of A Link to the Past
+ Unique new items like the ones found in Minish Cap
I want a cut of this money
+ Difficulty of LoZ
+ Control scheme of Skyward Sword
I wouldn't say that Links Awakening should be a good standard for density, seeing that they wasted a relatively big part of the overworld for a minigame and the graveyard is basically useless. If that's what you mean.
All the other suggestions are great, though.
+ Lively town with lots to discover like Minish Cap or Majoras Mask
+ Soundtrack at least as good as Skyward Sword. That soundtrack is excellent. But, seeing that most Zeldas have excellent Soundtracks, I shouldn't worry.
People know my history with this game, but honestly, over the years it's actually become my second favorite 3D Zelda after OoT*. It doesn't have the best dungeons, and has some really questionable game design (triforce hunt, stealth dungeon in the fuggin START of the game, and that HORRENDOUS sailing mechanic - seriously, who thought this would be a great idea?-), but I absolutely loved the world, the story, and the graphics with the ocean setting really made it seem like you were going on a really epic adventure.
While I personally wouldn't prefer a game with chibi Link, I think I'd rather take a good game with him, than a mediocre game with another Link.
*Haven't finished SS yet. Only 3 hours in.
While I personally wouldn't prefer a game with chibi Link, I think I'd rather take a good game with him, than a mediocre game with another Link.
*Haven't finished SS yet. Only 3 hours in.
Agreed. While the Link of TP/SS is still 'young' you lose a bit of the whimsy when he's not a child. Sailing around the high seas in Wind Waker wouldn't have been the same with an older Link.
Wind Waker is my favourite Zelda. I haven't played many of them, though: OoT, WW, TP, SS and LA (although that was a long time ago) and Minish Cap on handhelds.
The perfect candidate for an HD remake. Do it Nintendo!
- Best atmosphere
- Best story and writing. I'll never forget the moment when I returned to home at it's all dark and stormy and full of enemies. Gotta check back on grandma immediately!
- Best and most amiable characters (Komali is the best!)
- Awesome character design
- Beautiful soundtrack
- Awe-inspiring towering structures
- Figurine and photo quest is the best and most rewarding collectathon ever!
- Combat frenzy (shark island :-D)
A remake would give the opportunity to iron out the drawbacks. What a nice dream.
The perfect candidate for an HD remake. Do it Nintendo!
- Best atmosphere
- Best story and writing. I'll never forget the moment when I returned to home at it's all dark and stormy and full of enemies. Gotta check back on grandma immediately!
- Best and most amiable characters (Komali is the best!)
- Awesome character design
- Beautiful soundtrack
- Awe-inspiring towering structures
- Figurine and photo quest is the best and most rewarding collectathon ever!
- Combat frenzy (shark island :-D)
A remake would give the opportunity to iron out the drawbacks. What a nice dream.
If you're going to post the best song in the game, then at least post one without fucked up quality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7fqllhtdHI
HYDE
Member
A million times this...
revolverjgw
Member
This game kind of lacks a sense of real high seas adventure... because the entire world seems to be just a collection of small islands about the size of my backyard and it feels like there's not much of consequence on to find on them.
plus you get to listen to the hylian stuff they say
Gust Jar, Cane of Pacci, and Mole Mitts were the only new items. Of these, cane of Pacci was the only one that wasn't just a replacement for an item already present in other Zelda Games.
Nocturnowl
Member
Okay you got me, but those three are still more than most Zelda games, plus Rocs cape was a nice improvement on Rocs feather and also those remote bombs were an improvement over the standard ones.
I'm just saying a Zelda game that focuses on adding more new items to the mix would be preferred even if some are simply minor deviations from previous items. To Skyward Sword's credit it did try this.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I like TWW a lot. I think it's a joyous game to look at, the music is great, and the character animations are so fucking wonderful, but...
I think out of all the Redeads in the series, TWW's were the creepiest. Link hides himself behind his shield and shivers, and they have creepier, more animated features than the other games' Redeads.
This. The Triforce hunt really takes the wind out of The Wind Waker's sails. (ohohoho...) It was rather difficult to soldier on through the Triforce hunt for this thread last year.
I think out of all the Redeads in the series, TWW's were the creepiest. Link hides himself behind his shield and shivers, and they have creepier, more animated features than the other games' Redeads.
Roc's Cape is from the Oracle games.
But yeah I still agree with your assesment because of the order in which you gain items. First 2 dungeons have new items, bombs are gotten outside and there's a lot of stuff to do and get before the third dungeon.
7he Talon
Member
One of my favourite games of all time. Loved every aspect of the game. I remember the feeling of sailing across the ocean and seeing a new strange looking silhouette in the distance. The feeling of exploration was great in that game. Seeing the Ghost Ship for the first time was an awesome gaming moment for me. The art style was amazing and still stands the test of time in my opinion.
If only I had a Gamecube controller, I would go back and play it.
If only I had a Gamecube controller, I would go back and play it.
Majukun
Member
really disappointing game for me...too easy (disgustingly easy),and very few new ideas in the franchise..most of them were rip-offs of previous chapters of this series....
is still a good game,maybe even great..but on zelda standards,it's mediocre...
my least favourite 3d zelda...and in the general leaderboard it's hand-to-hand with spirit tracks,and the only one under it is zelda 2
is still a good game,maybe even great..but on zelda standards,it's mediocre...
my least favourite 3d zelda...and in the general leaderboard it's hand-to-hand with spirit tracks,and the only one under it is zelda 2
Looks like someone can't handle motion controls.
radioheadrule83
Banned
If you're going to post the best song in the game, then at least post one without fucked up quality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7fqllhtdHI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2ILsQ7POYE#t=1m39s
Yeah, but Rocs cape was in OoS and remote bombs were in FS.
I agree with continuing to add new items, though I don't agree that SS was a step in the right direction. Both WW and TP had more new or reinvented items than SS.
Anyway, I agree with the sentiment of your post. It makes me sad when people want Zelda to just be about the sword, shield, bow, and Epona. That would be Shadow of the Colossus, and though I love that game, I don't think Zelda should go that route.
This is my absolutely favorite Zelda, and probably one of my favorite games ever. It's also the one I go to when people ask if games can make you emotional. I think Majora's Mask might be better than it because it doesn't have the lengthy sailing and the wasted potential that was the Triforce Quest, but all the same, this game was so amazing as a kid. The reveal about Hyrule, the battle atop Ganon's Tower, the King of Red Lions' heart-breaking scenes, the Master Sword shrine.
This game is so freaking good. I will always remember wasting time running around photographing EVERYONE.
This game is so freaking good. I will always remember wasting time running around photographing EVERYONE.
I still feel it had the best dungeons out of any of the 3d zeldas. They were definitely the strong point of the game, as well as the final battle with Gannon, which was the best in the entire series.
The thing that kills the replay value is the shitty overworld and the triforce quest. I'd love to see it get remade with the Triforce part removed and replaced with a 6th dungeon.
The thing that kills the replay value is the shitty overworld and the triforce quest. I'd love to see it get remade with the Triforce part removed and replaced with a 6th dungeon.
Majukun
Member
Nocturnowl
Member
I found the whole thing too cartoony to be scary, though this isn't a bad thing at all, Link's exaggerated shivering, the redeads gawping mouths, I think it made me laugh the first time.
Floor masters on the other hand....
Ah the curse of me having missed the Oracle games, plus i've just remembered it was in four swords GBA as well.
Okay i'm truly defeated this time, Four Swords screwing me over again, hey even the gnat hat is like the precursor to the Minish Cap itself.
I'm just going to say that the Sand Rod in Spirit Tracks was awesome and more crazy stuff like that leading to new puzzles would be great.