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RTTP: The Pokemon. All 721 of them, and counting.
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I fucking love Chesnaught. Knight archetype, completely different colour scheme to other grass types and the fact that it's quite unique in looks means it gets an A+ from me.
Thanks to X and Y's new systems, Chespin was the only Pokemon I've ever EV'd at the beginning forest at level 6 with those soccer minigames. Thing just smacked everything with the great early level up coverage moves it learnt.
Enjoyed using it a bit in OU as well. It was a pretty interesting mon to use, as it countered Mega Gyrados and Bisharp, as could make for a very annoying thing to fight by Spikes/Leech Seeding/Spiky Shield.
Too bad it's fallen by the wayside as the power creep through to ORAS just became way too much for anything to reliably wall that isn't called Mega Sableye or Ferrothorn.
Thanks to X and Y's new systems, Chespin was the only Pokemon I've ever EV'd at the beginning forest at level 6 with those soccer minigames. Thing just smacked everything with the great early level up coverage moves it learnt.
Enjoyed using it a bit in OU as well. It was a pretty interesting mon to use, as it countered Mega Gyrados and Bisharp, as could make for a very annoying thing to fight by Spikes/Leech Seeding/Spiky Shield.
Too bad it's fallen by the wayside as the power creep through to ORAS just became way too much for anything to reliably wall that isn't called Mega Sableye or Ferrothorn.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Chesnaught's great. Picked Chespin on my first run through, was not disappointed
I love Chespin and Chesnaught. I think they pulled of what they were going for pretty well, and I like the Chesnaught itself looks friendly and approachable like a Warrior that prestieged into Paladin would. I don't mind Quilladin, either but it always reminds me that there'd be a ton of legs for a good pinata Pokemon.
My only complaint with Chesnaught is indeed the color scheme. I didn't know that chesnuts whiten, but Shiny Chesnaught actually looks like a plant-animal hybrid while Chesnaught itself can look too much like a fuzzy turtle if you don't know much about it. If it was just on its own, you'd probably assume it was a Ground or Rock-type at first glance rather than Grass/Fighting.
My only complaint with Chesnaught is indeed the color scheme. I didn't know that chesnuts whiten, but Shiny Chesnaught actually looks like a plant-animal hybrid while Chesnaught itself can look too much like a fuzzy turtle if you don't know much about it. If it was just on its own, you'd probably assume it was a Ground or Rock-type at first glance rather than Grass/Fighting.
papertoonz
Member
oh god i never looked at that newpaper in that pic but wow
also time to post this man X and Y final weeks before coming out was insane, cant wait to relive all that again later this year
and for chespin line, i like chespin, dont really care for Quilladin but Chesnaught oh boy
i like him nowadays but man when he was first shown off i lost it, i hated him, but now i love him so every thing is fine again
The only Kalos starter line where I like all of the Pokemon.
Braixen and Greninja are cool, Fennekin is meh, and Froakie, Frogadier, and Delphox are bad. That leaves the Chespin line as the obvious choice.
I gotta wonder where you went though, Birdie, because as far as I saw, Chespin was hated from the very start and it just got worse after the absolute adorability of Quilladin was unveiled to the world.
Braixen and Greninja are cool, Fennekin is meh, and Froakie, Frogadier, and Delphox are bad. That leaves the Chespin line as the obvious choice.
I gotta wonder where you went though, Birdie, because as far as I saw, Chespin was hated from the very start and it just got worse after the absolute adorability of Quilladin was unveiled to the world.
papertoonz
Member
i dont remember chespin ever getting hate, sure he wasn't the most popular out of the three but he wasn't hated
Darth_Caedus
No longer canonical
Chespin is cute, Qullia-whatever is ugly as crap, Chesnaught is solid.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Yeah, this is an ugly ass line. Chespin is okay, but the other two? Lawd have mercy.
woopWOOP
Member
Good ol' hathog. I liked it so much pre-release that I commissioned CrayonChewer an avatar... that I never really ended up using 
Its second form gives off some major Pignite vibes, but Quilladin comes across a lot dopier. I kind of like it.
The way Chesnaught T-1000's his hands together as a shield is kind of weird, but overall I like the bulky knight motif. The white colour gives it more of a paladin look too, I have no problems with its colour scheme.
Overall it's my favourite gen6 starter line for sure.
Its second form gives off some major Pignite vibes, but Quilladin comes across a lot dopier. I kind of like it.
The way Chesnaught T-1000's his hands together as a shield is kind of weird, but overall I like the bulky knight motif. The white colour gives it more of a paladin look too, I have no problems with its colour scheme.
Overall it's my favourite gen6 starter line for sure.
unknownstranger
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Gen 6 was the first time I picked a grass starter first. I got immediately rewarded with a terrible nature (-attack, +special defense). Then in Alpha Sapphire I chose Treeko and got the exact same nature again.
Never picking a grass starter again.
Never picking a grass starter again.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I remember the reaction pics when Quilladin was revealed.
TriggerShy
Member
balladofwindfishes
Member
Chespin in Smash always sounds like it's saying Tepig to me. Hearing it in Sound Test original confused me, as Tepig is not in Smash, but after awhile I realized it was actually saying "Che-Spin"
I'm not a fan of Chesnaught. But really, other than Sceptile and maybe Venusaur, I never find grass starters to be all that great. Maybe Rowlet will change that, hopefully it has a nice looking final evolution
I'm not a fan of Chesnaught. But really, other than Sceptile and maybe Venusaur, I never find grass starters to be all that great. Maybe Rowlet will change that, hopefully it has a nice looking final evolution
I was firmly #TeamChespin when the Kalos starters were revealed, and I still think Chespin is one of the best looking first stage starters in the entire series. Absolutely adorable and a great mix-up from the typical Grass starters we had seen to that point.
I wavered slightly when I saw Quilladin, but I didn't hate it as much as some people seemed to, and find him to be goofily charming and fine for a middle stage.
Chesnaught is where it completely fell apart for me, and no - it's not just his awkward open-armed pose. To be fair though it's really just the awful colour scheme that turns me off the design. Why they went for cream coloured 'armour' over the more natural brown or green (that would also have been more true to the previous two stages) I have no idea - it makes him look like a mummy wrapped in bandages. I also think the 'helmet' is a little awkward looking, but again a different colour would make it look much better. This image really can't be posted enough:
Infinitely better imo. If he looked like this it would legit be one of my favourite Pokemon ever. Oh man those rosebud tipped thorns, so good!
Shiny form is better than the standard, but still nowhere near as good as this.
I wavered slightly when I saw Quilladin, but I didn't hate it as much as some people seemed to, and find him to be goofily charming and fine for a middle stage.
Chesnaught is where it completely fell apart for me, and no - it's not just his awkward open-armed pose. To be fair though it's really just the awful colour scheme that turns me off the design. Why they went for cream coloured 'armour' over the more natural brown or green (that would also have been more true to the previous two stages) I have no idea - it makes him look like a mummy wrapped in bandages. I also think the 'helmet' is a little awkward looking, but again a different colour would make it look much better. This image really can't be posted enough:
Infinitely better imo. If he looked like this it would legit be one of my favourite Pokemon ever. Oh man those rosebud tipped thorns, so good!
Shiny form is better than the standard, but still nowhere near as good as this.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Its shiny is pretty cool colored
TriggerShy
Member
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I'm gonna stress again that the reason you don't see brown in Chesnaught is because his brown bits are covered by the beige armor.
Chesnaught was my partner during X. I usually pick the Grass starter irregardless of what it is, with Torchic and soon Litten to be the only exceptions.
This line is pretty solid, not my favorite of the Grass starters but not bad either. One thing I really appreciate is Chesnaught can learn all sorts of attacks. It kind of reminds me of Torterra in that regard which was very welcomed after dealing with Serperior's dry-as-hell movelist.
This line is pretty solid, not my favorite of the Grass starters but not bad either. One thing I really appreciate is Chesnaught can learn all sorts of attacks. It kind of reminds me of Torterra in that regard which was very welcomed after dealing with Serperior's dry-as-hell movelist.
Spinosaurus
Member
Quilladin is cute, always thought it was. <3
Sure, but that's not a particularly good reason to have a terrible colour scheme. :/
He doesn't? Honestly, I'm pretty sure the artist just messed up his color scheme when drawing him because the first time you posted this, I was so clueless as to what changed. I don't know why you're hung up on this that you notice that stuff lol
You get so defensive over designs you like lol. There's really no point replying saying 'nah-ah!' because of subjectivity, but either way this is a pretty massive change, so I really don't know how you couldn't notice the differences straight away. Like, really?
And to say that I'm 'hung up' on this is pretty lolworthy. This is a thread where we discuss Pokemon designs, so of course I'm going to mention it. I feel it's so close to being great, but the colour scheme holds it back so much.
The beige color is nice, easy on the eyes, and doesn't go "look at me, I'm green because Grass", it's a nice change of pace for a grass starter and works for the older chestnut motive.
What I'm trying to say is that I like how it looks, and that fan painting and the shinie palette, while not bad looking, are not as refreshing and as what we got.
The 'mummy' complaint is just silly.
What I'm trying to say is that I like how it looks, and that fan painting and the shinie palette, while not bad looking, are not as refreshing and as what we got.
The 'mummy' complaint is just silly.
balladofwindfishes
Member
One thing about Chesnaught for me is that it isn't really completely obvious it's suppose to be a knight. Delphox is pretty clearly a mage and Greninja is clearly a ninja, but Chesnaught ends up being a bit ambiguous. It's missing elements like a helmet or more obvious armor, versus the spiky turtle shell it ended up getting.
The same problem applies to their middle forms. While Braxen and Frogadier start to appear more mage like and ninja like, Quilladin is just a big spiky potato with a goober face.
Something more like this
Where the chestnut shell has taken over his entire body and all you see are two little eyes peaking out of a spiny armor. Right now you look at him and he ends up looking more like a wrestler than a knight.
Gen V had Escavalier, and putting Chesnaught next to that design really highlights how not knightlike Ches is.
The same problem applies to their middle forms. While Braxen and Frogadier start to appear more mage like and ninja like, Quilladin is just a big spiky potato with a goober face.
Something more like this
Where the chestnut shell has taken over his entire body and all you see are two little eyes peaking out of a spiny armor. Right now you look at him and he ends up looking more like a wrestler than a knight.
Gen V had Escavalier, and putting Chesnaught next to that design really highlights how not knightlike Ches is.
That's fair, it's just that you brought it up a while before we even got to Kalos tbh.
And yeah, the differences aren't that major, just some palette swapping here and there. Obviously when you have side-by-side with the art, the differences become clear but just seeing it on your own and working off of memory... Eeeeh.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Honestly just blame chestnuts for being really bland in color.
One thing about Chesnaught for me is that it isn't really completely obvious it's suppose to be a knight. Delphox is pretty clearly a mage and Greninja is clearly a ninja, but Chesnaught ends up being a bit ambiguous. It's missing elements like a helmet or more obvious armor, versus the spiky turtle shell it ended up getting.
The same problem applies to their middle forms. While Braxen and Frogadier start to appear more mage like and ninja like, Quilladin is just a big spiky potato with a goober face.
Something more like this
Where the chestnut shell has taken over his entire body and all you see are two little eyes peaking out of a spiny armor. Right now you look at him and he ends up looking more like a wrestler than a knight.
Gen V had Escavalier, and putting Chesnaught next to that design really highlights how not knightlike Ches is.
he has that though (the helmet and armor), it's just that it's not as obvious
like I said, people think the beige part is his body when in fact it's armor
Both of those are adorable: Blastoise, Croconaw, Sceptile, Chimchar, Samurott, and Frogadier are all so much worse than those two.
God Dayumm
Banned
Chesnaught could have been the greatest but they dropped the ball with those bandages. Should have made him a megaevolution for Cofagrigus instead.
Not as dumb as Greninja's tongue scarf tho.
Quilladin is the best middle evolution for a starter. Well, Grovyle is up there too
Not as dumb as Greninja's tongue scarf tho.
Quilladin is the best middle evolution for a starter. Well, Grovyle is up there too
balladofwindfishes
Member
If people don't notice his head being a helmet and his body being armor when they're intended to be, then it's a poor design.
Nocturnowl
Member
Chesnuaght is odd, it's the one starter pokemon out there that doesn't strike me as a design that has that mass appeal you expect from a starter, he looks like a mess, a decent mess, but a mess none the less.
Chespin is neat though.
Chespin is neat though.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I dunno, a lot of people don't know why Altaria is Dragon too
Chesnaught not being as blatant in his knight design is a good thing.
Hell, Greninja is fairly subtle as far as design goes too, the reason people see the ninja in it lies in the name and pose.
Darth_Caedus
No longer canonical
Greninja isn't subtle. Scarf and shuriken patterns on him.
What shuriken patterns? It only has those weird water blob-like things on it's arms and legs, and the tongue scarf alone is not enough to give a ninja impression unless you know beforehand.
It's all in the way it stands and the name.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Greninja has shurikens on his hips. Although he never does it in the games, it appears he grabs his Water Shuriken attack from his hips, according to concept art.
I'm not really sure Greninja could be more of a ninja if they tried. The pose striking, the shurikens, the scarf. He's basically the most ninja Pokemon we've ever had.
Also Greninja looks funky without his tongue extended.
He does actually. I think the animation is used exclusively for Water Shuriken though.
balladofwindfishes
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Finally, after over a month of waiting, I can post on NeoGAF (which I signed up for just for this thread)
More than the color change that Chesnaught brings, the thing that I find "off" about its design is its sausage limbs - they aren't well defined (basically cylinders) and curve more then bend.
I was actually on Team Froakie from the beginning. I like reptiles and amphibians, and normally find myself drawn to the water types (possibly because they are often reptiles or amphibians). Chespin was actually on the bottom (in terms of looks) for the Gen 6 starters for me.
I kind of wish Chesnaught didn't go part Fighting. After learning about the RPG motif and the new Fairy type, I was hoping Chesnaught would go Grass/Steel, Delphox Fire/Fairy, and Greninja Water/Dark. When I think Warriors/Paladins, I pictured Steel before Fighting. That would also create a semi-reverse loop where the secondary type is super effective against the starter it's primary type is weak against (Steel beats Fairy, Fairy beats Dark, but Dark is only neutral vs Steel).
Based on the rumors regarding the final typings of the Gen VII starters, I'm afraid my headcanon typings are wrong there as well. I want Rowlet to stay Grass/Fighting, Litten to become Fire/Poison (a unique typing that would make sense for sulfur/brimstone), and Popplio Water/Fairy (using the circus performer motif as the Fairy part)
More than the color change that Chesnaught brings, the thing that I find "off" about its design is its sausage limbs - they aren't well defined (basically cylinders) and curve more then bend.
I was actually on Team Froakie from the beginning. I like reptiles and amphibians, and normally find myself drawn to the water types (possibly because they are often reptiles or amphibians). Chespin was actually on the bottom (in terms of looks) for the Gen 6 starters for me.
I kind of wish Chesnaught didn't go part Fighting. After learning about the RPG motif and the new Fairy type, I was hoping Chesnaught would go Grass/Steel, Delphox Fire/Fairy, and Greninja Water/Dark. When I think Warriors/Paladins, I pictured Steel before Fighting. That would also create a semi-reverse loop where the secondary type is super effective against the starter it's primary type is weak against (Steel beats Fairy, Fairy beats Dark, but Dark is only neutral vs Steel).
Based on the rumors regarding the final typings of the Gen VII starters, I'm afraid my headcanon typings are wrong there as well. I want Rowlet to stay Grass/Fighting, Litten to become Fire/Poison (a unique typing that would make sense for sulfur/brimstone), and Popplio Water/Fairy (using the circus performer motif as the Fairy part)
SatelliteOfLove
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Get. Out.
Exterminieren
Banned
...Well, at least Chespin's pretty awesome.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
honestly if you want defined arms on him you better strip his armor
DeployThatPizza
Member
Chesnaught is good as a tank, but its offensive ability isn't there. I like Chesnaught's design and that typing isn't too bad, although that 4x flying weakness hurts.