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RTTP: Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3

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Neoxon

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First, a little backstory. For those who know me here on GAF, I'm a bit of a Marvel fan (as well as Capcom one). My first comic was The Amazing Spider-Man #14 (the first appearance of the Green Goblin), MvC1 was amongst my first games that I've ever played (& my first fighting game), & I've loved Capcom fighters overall (specifically Street Fighter III: Third Strike). With the announcement of Marvel vs. Capcom 3, I knew that I had to shell out the cash to get the game. And while I was a bit burned by the announcement of UMvC3, my negativity was drowned out by the reveal of Phoenix Wright, Nova, & Rocket Raccoon (I'm a huge Ace Attorney & Cosmic Marvel fan). I got the money needed for the game, got a friend of mine in my Theatre Arts group to pick up the game for me (since he was going to a midnight release for Assassin's Creed, anyway), & got my first personal arcade stick a few months later. Basically, UMvC3 means a lot to me, more so since that friend who got the game for me (out of the kindness of his heart, & even covered tax) is no longer with us. My PS3 copy of UMvC3 is my last living reminder of him, & realizing that made me want to pick the game up again. Now enough of the sorrow, onto my comeback.

While I do still love the game as a whole to death, coming back to UMvC3 after either getting acquainted with many of the fighting games that have come out recently or getting reacquainted with the games that I've since become rusty at & have been re-released made me realize some of the glaring balancing errors in the game. The online, while it was tolerable for me at the time, is starting to show its age (especially with games like Killer Instinct & the Street Fighter V Beta having solid-ass online). As for X-Factor, even though it was toned down compared to Vanilla, is still off the walls crazy. More so when it can easily turn the tide of the match very easily. There's also bullshit such as TAC Infinites, Bullet Hell, Dark Phoenix, & the army of Galactuses that I have to fight online (not sure about XBL, but it's a nightmare on PSN). But even in spite of all of that, it's one of my favorite fighting games. Say what you want about the touch-of-death combos, it's in Mahvel's DNA, & I wouldn't have it any other way. The roster is pretty diverse, which is nice considering how X-Men heavy the previous MvC games were (& I'm kinda scared for the Marvel side if MvC4 happens in the near future). I would have liked characters like Star-Lord, Carol Danvers (who was Ms. Marvel at the time, but is now Captain Marvel), the Maximoff Twins (Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch), Wasp, Black Panther, Vision, & Green Goblin, but I'm more than happy with what we got. And lastly, the attention to detail for each character. A good chunk of the roster has their design based on my favorite incarnation of each character (lucky me, I suppose), as well as my favorite voice actors for each......except maybe Doom (I'm not hating on Paul Dobson, I just like Lex Lang's Doom in EMH more). Overall, UMvC3 was to me a love letter on everything that I like about Marvel & Capcom, coupled with some engaging (albeit broken as hell) gameplay that's hype as hell to watch. I sincerely hope that Capcom gets past whatever financial issues they're having so they can regain the Marvel license & make MvC4 a reality (look here for my posts & enzo_gt's on the matter). I wouldn't even mind Sony footing the bill in exchange for the game being PS4-only (my final decision to get the PS4 was because of SFV). For now, I'll just hit up some local UMvC3 tournaments (once I either get a 360 stick or mod my Eightarc Onyx to work with the 360) & try to survive the cesspool that is UMvC3 on PSN.
 
Umvc3 is rife with bullshit at even low level play. And having to learn 3 characters to play a single match is still annoying AF and too big a barrier. I really wish that TvC had gotten a wider release, as it's a much more enjoyable VS game (to me).

I honestly don't even want Capcom to try and fuck with marvel again after the shitshow that was 3. Just move on and find some new vs fodder.
 
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My favourite fighting game, that speed...

Also the last Capcom game I've bought, since I really didn't like the on-disc DLC and the fact that they stopped developing the main game, just to release the Ultimate version very soon. Felt ripped-off.
 
Stopped playing it a while back but i still like seeing some high level play. Sucks that the game is in the situation that it is as one good balance patch could have done so much. Oh well. Bring on Capcom all stars
 
As a traditional 2D fighting scrub I liked it less than Marvel 2, but it's one of my favorite games to spectate ever, at least it was from 2011-2013.
 
It's still my favorite fighting game of all time, and one of my top 10 games of all time. There's still new tech being discovered in this game 4 years later!

Though, I don't think PSN is awful. I've been on it extremely frequently since 2011, and it's great. I ran into only 2 Galactus, and that was right after the exploit was discovered. Then again, I only do player matches these days. I don't know what ranked has been like lately. I prefer player matches because you can just hit "rematch" rather than finding a new person every time.

Amazing game with lots of viable diversity.
 
leroidys said:
Umvc3 is rife with bullshit at even low level play. And having to learn 3 characters to play a single match is still annoying AF and too big a barrier. I really wish that TvC had gotten a wider release, as it's a much more enjoyable VS game (to me).

I honestly don't even want Capcom to try and fuck with marvel again after the shitshow that was 3. Just move on and find some new vs fodder.
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I agree with everything but the last part. I'd rather they actually learn from their mistakes...thing is the last vs Marvel game they tried to tone it down on did the worst and it blew up huge the more bullshit they put back in for the sequel. Its not likely to happen.

Any way it goes though it doesn't take much of a stroll around the block with other fighting games to realize just how many horrible design issues their are in UMVC3. From systems to character balance its just sort of like many were designed as individual ideas and not really thought out completely in how they could affect the whole game when thrust into it.

TVC should have had more time in the light. I really wish it could come out on anything else with good support this time. It was and still is to those of us traveling to events for side tournies of it, an amazing and superior ride.

*in before folks quote and try to "explain" Marvel at me like explaining a broken game will make it a better game. Broke is broke. I rode that train for 2 years and had my fun, but I prefer things with better design even though I love Marvel characters in fighting games*
 
Next time they do a Marvel I want local heroes and heralds. It was MEANT to be bullshit, but it was soooooo insane to have customizable stuff like that on any team to change how the characters played. They seriously missed out on something there. Now I'm playing around in Arcana Heart and realizing what HH was in essence was an arcana system that allowed you to customize an arcana.

Marvel should feature that more in the future. Not letting folks play it locally hurt. If it had local I would probably still play just for it. Airdash Iron Fist was glorious.
 
Can't pick between this and MvC2 as my favorite fighting game, despite all the problems and being rushed to market to die.

Still hope this makes its way to PC somehow, PS3 version online is simply junk, Xbox 360 is great but paying for online play and I find it unlikely I'll be able to play online with either in the next few years.
 
UMvC3 will probably always be a game close to my heart. It was a game that I spent most of my free time playing. Sure the netcode was barely playable and the balance could be better (fuuuuuck Zero), but there was something about the game that was so addicting and fun. It's always so exciting for me to play and it's still one of my favorite games to watch competitively. I still wish we could have at least gotten one more balance patch/version, but I still love the game as is not just because the game's awesome, but it's the first fighting game I REALLY got into practicing competitively. So that's why it'll probably be my favorite fighting game ever for a long while (at least until the next one...probably many years from now before it comes out ;_;).

And Dante's probably my favorite fighting game character ever, so yeah.
 
That Dude John said:
The best fighting game.

Really hoping for a PS4 port or it becoming backwards-compatible on the Xbone.
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Assuming that Capcom gets the funds needed to regain the Marvel license, that money would be better spent on MvC4 than a re-release of UMvC3. Then again, if MvC4 were to happen in the near future, we should be prepared to say good-bye to the X-Men & Fantastic Four characters.
 
I still play it offline on a weekly basis. Loving the game isn't due to it's lack of problems (it has a million) but due to the good being so fun to me that I can ignore that bad. I'm sure I've dumped several thousand hours into it by now.
 
shaowebb said:
Next time they do a Marvel I want local heroes and heralds. It was MEANT to be bullshit, but it was soooooo insane to have customizable stuff like that on any team to change how the characters played. They seriously missed out on something there. Now I'm playing around in Arcana Heart and realizing what HH was in essence was an arcana system that allowed you to customize an arcana.

Marvel should feature that more in the future. Not letting folks play it locally hurt. If it had local I would probably still play just for it. Airdash Iron Fist was glorious.
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This. Hell, allow us to transfer our set-ups on a thumb drive. Imagine the bullshit that could happen at Heroes & Heralds tournaments. Though to be fair, you can do H&H locally via Training Mode.

And fun fact, the Vita version has viewable replays & Gold Herald colors.
 
UMvC3 has okay balance (awful balance off the hop though), some pretty stupid shit, dumb glitches that survived and some horrible decisions made overall...but it is undeniably fun and my favourite fighting game. I won't ever play it for seriouz again, but dat engine, the EMH throwbacks, even the roster was good shit (could've used more women but eh).

Honestly, would no doubt still be playing it if there was DLC or even just a balance patch. But if/when an MvC4 happens, or a decent Marvel fighting game - could be along the lines of Injustice for all I care - comes out, I'll be there.

Didn't give a shit about the Capcom side at all. Only Chris Boulders Redfield and Dante ever appealed to me.

ALSO LESS SWORD GUYS NEXT TIME. FFS. And leave that bitch-made-since-Jump-Street asshole Zero at home too.
You would cry too if you got zoop-zooped.
 
Killa Sasa said:
UMvC3 has okay balance (awful balance off the hop though), some pretty stupid shit, dumb glitches that survived and some horrible decisions made overall...but it is undeniably fun and my favourite fighting game. I won't ever play it for seriouz again, but dat engine, the EMH throwbacks, even the roster was good shit (could've used more women but eh).

Honestly, would no doubt still be playing it if there was DLC or even just a balance patch. But if/when an MvC4 happens, or a decent Marvel fighting game - could be along the lines of Injustice for all I care - comes out, I'll be there.

Didn't give a shit about the Capcom side at all. Only Chris Boulders Redfield and Dante ever appealed to me.

ALSO LESS SWORD GUYS NEXT TIME. FFS. And leave that bitch-made-since-Jump-Street asshole Zero at home too.
You would cry too if you got zoop-zooped.
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Like I said, I'm not sure if you'd like the Marvel side if MvC4 happened in the near future (though that'd depend on how much you like the X-Men & the Fantastic Four). I do think that the game could have used more women. Hell, if/when MvC4 happens, I'm 95% sure we'd get at least Captain Marvel (maybe Ms. Marvel as well if we're lucky).
 
Marvel 3 is broken as all hell, but it's the first fighting game I actually took the time to learn and dammit it just has a special place in my heart.

Phoenix Wright and Frank West were my best characters and if they ever make a Marvel 4, I will be begging for their return. Joe, Rocket, and Shuma were also great.
 
My favorite fighter of all time. I wish they kept updating it, if only that cyclops rumor was true ;_;

Dahbomb said:
Simultaneously one of the best and one of the worst fighting games to come out of the previous generation.
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This, the game would have me rolling my eyes all the time when playing against people but I couldn't put it down
 
Neoxon said:
Like I said, I'm not sure if you'd like the Marvel side if MvC4 happened in the near future (though that'd depend on how much you like the X-Men & the Fantastic Four).
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Doom > X-23 (simply because of MvC3 and a bit of XMen Evolution) > Kang > FF Villains > Where I stop caring pretty much > entirety of X-Men > FF

XMen and FF have a great rogues gallery alongside their great stories but I'm much more partial to Avengers/Spider-Man. Shame that they have the two most iconic villains of Marvel. Gives other characters (and their associated acts) a chance to shine though.

Next one would be great for me due to that probably.
 
D-Man said:
Marvel 3 is broken as all hell, but it's the first fighting game I actually took the time to learn and dammit it just has a special place in my heart.

Phoenix Wright and Frank West were my best characters and if they ever make a Marvel 4, I will be begging for their return. Joe, Rocket, and Shuma were also great.
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I wouldn't worry about Phoenix Wright & Frank West, both Ace Attorney & Dead Rising have become mainstay franchises for Capcom (with the characters mentioned being the faces of their respective franchises). I have no worries about the Capcom side delivering except maybe Mega Man, but Capcom is supposedly preparing a massive push for him. My only concerns are with the Marvel side due to the Marvel-Fox blood feud.
 
For all the people harping on MVC3 being broken/unbalanced...

It is STILL the most balanced and least broken Marvel game to be made yet.


MVC3 has more different winners of EVO than some Marvel games (or even fighting games) have entire rosters.
 
As real as the game's balance issues are, if you exclude vanilla, the no Evo winning team has ever even shared a character. Pretty crazy to think about o_O
 
ChouGoku said:
My favorite fighter of all time. I wish they kept updating it, if only that cyclops rumor was true ;_;
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If MvC4 happens, the closest you're likely gonna get is Vision with Cyclops' moveset (along with flying & some some extra moves using his density-shifting ability).

Dahbomb said:
For all the people harping on MVC3 being broken/unbalanced...

It is STILL the most balanced and least broken Marvel game to be made yet.


MVC3 has more different winners of EVO than some Marvel games (or even fighting games) have entire rosters.
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The funny thing is that you're not exactly wrong. Though what of MvC1?
 
Dahbomb said:
For all the people harping on MVC3 being broken/unbalanced...

It is STILL the most balanced and least broken Marvel game to be made yet.


MVC3 has more different winners of EVO than some Marvel games (or even fighting games) have entire rosters.
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Yep - though the way to getting there is kinda dumb, ha. It's the wild west of fighting games, and every character has a gun but no body armor. Some characters'/teams' guns are more advanced, but you're still liable to die by anyone if you make the wrong move.
 
The funny thing is that you're not exactly wrong. Though what of MvC1?
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MVC1? Broken as fuck with infinites and cheesy invincible assists of which only a couple were actually used in competitive play (out of 20).

Worst of all it only featured a roster of like 15ish characters and was still not properly balanced. MVC3 has more characters that have won EVO or big tournaments than MVC1 has full characters.


Though it's broken in different ways than MVC3 of course. Most people don't have exposure to MVC1 high level play because it wasn't really ever featured at EVO because when EVO was made MVC2 was already out.
 
Ideally I'd like them to revisit the versus game engine and concept with an external license that's not so difficult to deal with. SF5's business model is a good thing for the FGC, but there's no game with versus-style gameplay that gets updated like that. Even TvC was a licensing nightmare when they decided to localize it. It seems like the best option for roster diversity and ease of updating the game would just be their own characters. They have such a huge catalog of IPs and characters, and that would eliminate the issues of licensing and having to abandon the game once the rights expire.
 
I miss playing this game so much, definitely my favorite fighting game. I'd buy a console just for MvC4 if it were to ever happen.
 
Dahbomb said:
For all the people harping on MVC3 being broken/unbalanced...

It is STILL the most balanced and least broken Marvel game to be made yet.


MVC3 has more different winners of EVO than some Marvel games (or even fighting games) have entire rosters.
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Yep. I was there live for this year's EVO and I still think it's pretty crazy that a -Hulk- team won this year's EVO.
 
Tetsuo9999 said:
Ideally I'd like them to revisit the versus game engine and concept with an external license that's not so difficult to deal with. SF5's business model is a good thing for the FGC, but there's no game with versus-style gameplay that gets updated like that. Even TvC was a licensing nightmare when they decided to localize it. It seems like the best option for roster diversity and ease of updating the game would just be their own characters. They have such a huge catalog of IPs and characters, and that would eliminate the issues of licensing and having to abandon the game once the rights expire.
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The problem is that, as awesome as a Capcom All-Stars would be, it wouldn't sell that well. The only franchises that have major mainstream popularity are Street Fighter, Resident Evil, Mega Man, Dead Rising, & Devil May Cry (if I missed one, please let me know). The MvC games sold mostly on the Marvel brand, hence why it was the Vs. match-up that was the most persistent. That being said, MvC4 isn't entirely impossible. However, sacrifices would have to be made if we got MvC4 anytime soon. Here's a theoretical example of said sacrifices.

Wolverine -> Necalli or Black Panther
X-23 -> Gamora
Jean Grey -> Scarlet Witch
Sentinel -> Groot
Magneto -> Ultron or Adam Warlock
Storm -> Kelda
Deadpool -> Blade
Doctor Doom -> Black Bolt, Loki, or Ronan the Accuser
Super-Skrull -> Crystal or Medusa (though if they go with Medusa, Ms. Marvel could also get some of his abilities, mainly his stretching moves)
*Rogue -> Captain Marvel
*Cyclops -> Vision
*Cable -> Star-Lord

* = Not in UMvC3


TWILT said:
Yep. I was there live for this year's EVO and I still think it's pretty crazy that a -Hulk- team won this year's EVO.
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I'm still trying to wrap my mind around that. I'm just glad that that Mike Haggar the Mayor of Earth won EVO.
 
Tetsuo9999 said:
Ideally I'd like them to revisit the versus game engine and concept with an external license that's not so difficult to deal with. SF5's business model is a good thing for the FGC, but there's no game with versus-style gameplay that gets updated like that. Even TvC was a licensing nightmare when they decided to localize it. It seems like the best option for roster diversity and ease of updating the game would just be their own characters. They have such a huge catalog of IPs and characters, and that would eliminate the issues of licensing and having to abandon the game once the rights expire.
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They tried to do something like that, but then it tested badly and they cancelled it and ended up doing Capcom Fighting Evolution, which was pretty much Capcom doing a MUGEN rendition of itself.
 
A Capcom fighting game with versus series mechanics and constant updates would still do well, especially in the SF5 era. I could see it happening in a few years when/if the SF5 business model does well. If anything it would be good competition for ArcSys and their constant disc upgrades.
 
I find the idea of Wolverine not being in an MVC game kinda batshit crazy. He's been in basically every single one up to this point.
 
TheDinoman said:
I kinda find the idea of Wolverine not being in an MVC game kinda batshit crazy. He's been in basically every single one up to this point.
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Wolverine has been axed from all Marvel games released after Contest of Champions (same for the other X-Men & F4 characters). Marvel Animation also has zero plans to bring either him or Deadpool back for more cameos in the recent cartoons in the future. In short, not even Wolverine is safe from Marvel & Fox's dick-fighting contest. Oh well, there's always the comics
, albeit with X-23 as Wolverine & Old Man Logan in the main Earth, but you get the idea.
 
I loved following this pre release as a lurker the most. I still bought the game but the online just doesn't work with my crappy internet. so I just stopped playing after getting the endings for my favorite characters (just want to say that Tessa appearing in Dr. Strange's ending was cool). I also hated that most of my favorites (Hsien Ko and Arthur) were crappy so there was that too

I will say that it's still my favorite fighting game to watch even after this long
 
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