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Rumor: AMD DirectX 11 Card Performances, Prices Revealed, Surprisingly Affordable
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Gully State
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Any benchmarks on these new cards yet? Crysis at 60FPS would make me buy one of these cards in a heartbeat.
elrechazado
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tokkun said:
Cost vs performance. The cost of a second card for dual card solutions doesn't give close to the performance per cost that a single card upgrade does.
elrechazao said:
That's not true, though. Did you look at the link in the post you replied to? Even the 4770, which cost $100, outperformed the single high-end card when in Crossfire.
I will grant that some people encounter this micro-stutter issue, but I think it's hard to argue that the single-card upgrade has a better price-performance ratio, provided you have a motherboard and PSU that can handle it.
elrechazado
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tokkun said:
1. Canned benchmark testing is a horribly flawed methodology.
2. There is no easy answer to the question, especially not one using canned benchmarks, because it completely depends on the resolution at which you are running the game. A 30 inch top of the line dell vs a 19 inch widescreen. SLI and single GPU solutions have different benefits there, and comparing top end performance without specifying IQ and playability and framerate and resolution is just silly.
3. There are exceptions to every rule at every time, but as a general matter the statement is true.
And again, you didn't even address cost vs performance, which is what I specifically stated.
See hardocp for all of your real life gaming tests and comparisons, not the 50 sites that run 10 tests in 3dmark.
Zaptruder said:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/more-details-about-ati-eyefinity-technology/7518.html?doc=7518
Eyefinity - drive 3 displays
2+ TFlop - Compute Shader, here we come!
New AF method - supposed to be the best, REFERENCE material
CrossFire boost upto 1.8x - good to know
Rabid Wolverine
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Anxiously waiting for the reviews.
Wondering I still have a PCI Express 1.0 motherboard, is that gonna cost me performance?
Read a bit back that the current gen cards are not seeing a increase with PCIe Express 1-2.
Wondering I still have a PCI Express 1.0 motherboard, is that gonna cost me performance?
Read a bit back that the current gen cards are not seeing a increase with PCIe Express 1-2.
SapientWolf
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Any word on power consumption? ATI has had the upper hand in that category for awhile now.
The X2 had a 6 pin & 8 pin connectors, so I would assume its still in the same ballpark as the 4870X2 but obviously almost twice as powerful so overall the perf/w should be twice the previous gen. Most probably the 5870 will have two 6 pins and the 5860 & 5670 have one 6 pin.SapientWolf said:
The only consumption figures leaked so far are from ATI's mobile DX11 gpus. So yeah, ATI is launching quite a few GPUs (5 desktop & 5 mobile), 10 total.
Will be the record/history if it happens.Damn ATI is changing the landscape of the mobile GPU market too!
If I buy another laptop I will make it mandatory to have a MXM slot!
Also I can't wait until after a few months the 5870's start dropping in price and it will be the perfect video card for a long time, I don't see game requirements increasing at the same rate they have in the past.
If I buy another laptop I will make it mandatory to have a MXM slot!
Also I can't wait until after a few months the 5870's start dropping in price and it will be the perfect video card for a long time, I don't see game requirements increasing at the same rate they have in the past.
Watch how almost no one will use the mobile ones, though, again :-/irfan said:The X2 had a 6 pin & 8 pin connectors, so I would assume its still in the same ballpark as the 4870X2 but obviously almost twice as powerful so overall the perf/w should be twice the previous gen. Most probably the 5870 will have two 6 pins and the 5860 & 5670 have one 6 pin.
The only consumption figures leaked so far are from ATI's mobile DX11 gpus. So yeah, ATI is launching quite a few GPUs (5 desktop & 5 mobile), 10 total.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
It is bound to surpass the 295. It has 2GB of faster memory and it is a single chip. I would be surprised if after refined drivers it still cant make the 295 seem outdated.TheExodu5 said:
Dark Stalkers
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I hope the fans don't sound like a vacuum cleaner.
irfan said:
So what kinda ports are we looking at for the triple monitor support?
DVI or HDMI?
Is the card that I've seen of the third DVI port taking up part of the airflow vent this card?
I'd honestly prefer 3 HDMI outputs with dongles to reconvert to DVI packed in... but I'm a bit biased because all my displays have HDMI.
MickeyKnox
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I looooooooooooooooooove new GPU architecture season.
All the excitement, all the speculation, all the rage and all the damage control.
All the excitement, all the speculation, all the rage and all the damage control.
brain_stew
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tokkun said:
No, everybody encounters the microstutter "issue", its inherently linked to the way the technology works.
No triple buffering either, so go slash off upto 50% of your framerate from that as well, and the "low" framerate will alway be lower. The end result is that the actual ingame experience is not anywhere close to what those benchmarks suggest, being restricted to a 512MB framebuffer is a huge bottleneck as well.
You're also forgetting that you can, you know, sell that old GPU.
brain_stew
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Zaptruder said:
From what I gather for triple monitor you'll be using either:
DVI/DVI/Display port
DVI/HDMI/Display port
Of course, converting any of those outputs to HDMi just requires a $2 adapter that is usually included in the box anyway. Cards need to still pack two DVI outputs so that they support dual link DVI.
brain_stew said:
You seem very negative about dual GPU cards and while the issues you raise are legitimate, the benefit of that extra power can be worth it.
I have a 4870x2 and am very pleased with its performance. I will upgrade to a 5870x2 if it represents a very significant increase in power.
I am a total graphics whore and want to play with as much AA, Transperancy AA, AF etc. as possible, something that makes dual GPUs worth it.
brain_stew said:
Actually down to the way SLI works you get triple buffering for free. I have SLI and with Vsync on, i never go from 60 to 30 etc, its usually 60-50-45 and so on.
Micro-stutter is based on drivers, on the driver set (186.39) I'm on right now there is no micro-stutter.
There is one disadvantage though, you can get some incredibly high fps, but you can also get some low fps too (if one area is optimized for SLI and another isn't for example, then you're essentially running on one card)
One more is that the Graphics Card RAM doesn't get shared, so 512MB means you can only have the texture quality + AA so high before it runs out and starts stuttering.
SLI/Crossfire can be an incredibly good upgrade path, if you find the right cards to do it with, 2 8800GT's back in the day cost less than the latest and greatest and usually delivered better performance.
rohlfinator
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To add a dose of pessimism to the thread, looks like the prices might be a bit higher than hoped:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/9/2/ati-radeon-58502c-58702c-5870x2-pricing-revealed.aspx
5850: $279-299
5870: $379-399
5870X2: $599
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/9/2/ati-radeon-58502c-58702c-5870x2-pricing-revealed.aspx
5850: $279-299
5870: $379-399
5870X2: $599
Wasn't the Frostbite Engine already on DX10? It's still impressive, but I would think the bigger and more common hurdle would be going from DX9 to DX11.irfan said:
Disregard that, its utter and pure bull shit. They are Bull shit News for a reasonrohlfinator said:
Apparently the guy who runs the site is a thief who plagiurizes, comes up with bull shit stories and what not. This is the guy who claimed GT300 taped out back in Q1 of this year. :lol PowerColor basically confirmed the price of 5870 as $299 in their press release. :lol
I know Frostbite was already DX10, just highlighting the fact that the port from DX10 to DX11 is quite simple. We'll just have to wait and see if Nvidia COCK BLOCKS devs from doing this in the near future.rohlfinator said:
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
You can get PhysX on ATI cards with custom drivers, so it's not a hardware issue. But I doubt that it's going to make much of a difference either way. Unreal 3 engine games are rarely GPU limited.Klyka said:I am an ATI whore but I still have to say: They don't have PhysX, meaning Batman:AA will still be better on Nvidia
Minsc said:
Have you actually used the technology? Anyone here actually use the NVIDIA 3D Stereo feature?
I got a chance to play with this at Blizzcon 2009. They had many demo stations set up with World of Warcraft hooked up. It looked cool at first but the technology is heavy on the eyes. It really isn't for everyone, it seemed like everyone I heard from mentioned eye strain. The biggest complaint was the frame rate. It ran great on the main huge displayed (295 GTXs) but the others Dalaran was at single digits. Though I have my doubt about the demo station connected to the huge screen. The performance was great but the guy was in Shattrah. In fact, most of the demo stations where people got good or decent framerates was because they were in Shattrah running around.
Anyway just a FYI. The problem at Blizzcon 2009 was those glasses are 200 USD and really feel gimmicky since it can make your graphics card crawl and it does quite a number on the eyes. In no way shape or form could I be using those for more then 20 minutes without feeling my eyeballs are going to explode. Not much of a line to try them out since most couldn't be on them for 10 minutes or more when i waited.
TrAcEr_x90
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So have about a 6 month newly purchased HP computer from circuit city. Quad core with 5 gigs of ram etc... are these next gen cards mainly more for built computers? Or could I put it in my HP? Do I have to take into account fitting it in the current type HP case and power supply? Or are these new cards pretty easy to install.
rohlfinator
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They basically confirmed something as $299. I don't see anything about a 5870 in that ad.irfan said:
marsomega said:
There have been a number of threads on gaf that have spoke very highly of them. Not sure I really get your complaint about the fps. People want them connected to high end video cards because 120fps is what you want the game being rendered at. This is the gold standard, because the more you compromise, the more eye fatigue is going to be an issue (since you're cutting that in half with the shutters.)
SapientWolf
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I doubt that it will have the extra necessary power connections. HP is pretty stingy with those. You would be better off getting a 4770 in that case, or building your own.TrAcEr_x90 said:
TOAO_Cyrus
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mr stroke said:Well SOB
was really hoping for a $299 5870
I wonder if there will be a big difference in performance(20-30 fps) between the 5850 vs 5870
As stated before that site is a bunch of crap. It makes sense that AMD will go with the same pricing scheme that worked so well last generation.
TrAcEr_x90
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mr stroke said:
thanks for the reply. I've been out of the pc building game for a few years now. So wasnt sure if these use like new pci express slots or something too.
rohlfinator
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It's a rumor, just like the basis of this thread. I posted it to make people aware of conflicting information that's out there, not to claim it as fact. I can't speak to the reliability of the source, but the fact that Tech Report reposted it means I won't dismiss it outright.TOAO_Cyrus said:
It makes sense that they'd keep the same pricing scheme, but it would also make a lot of sense for them to go for a little more profit once they have the performance crown, especially since they've been having financial troubles for a while now.
ive never been very excited about first Direct X etc cards due to the fact 99% of the time none of them even the high end releases can run games what take full advantage of the latest Direct X, by the time Crysis 2 or whatever lands these early cards wont be running these games on High.
regardless of that I will likely pick one up come the end of september now as im planning a full upgrade with a iCore 7 or 5 system so I might as well buy the best going. :lol
regardless of that I will likely pick one up come the end of september now as im planning a full upgrade with a iCore 7 or 5 system so I might as well buy the best going. :lol
Geforce 4200/4600/4800 series - DirectX8DSN2K said:
Radeon 9800 - DirectX9
Geforce 8800GTX - DirectX10
All of the above are THE best in the history of gaming. Cards introduced at DirectX inflection point have turned out awesome, if past is anything to go by.
You got to look at the sources and weed them out. TR is nothing but a relay for that rumor, source is crap. I'd take PowerColor's word over any rumor mongering website any day of the week.rohlfinator said: