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[Nome]

Mass Effect died when they took out the Mako as far as I'm concerned.

ME1: "Hey, we've got this great new concept. You'll be able to land on these planets, drive around, get out of the vehicle and take on missions. It will be awesome and immersive."

ME2: "Guys let's broaden the appeal here. Let's create more of a corridor shooter. People like shooting stuff right? Who cares about exploration and feeling like your in a real world. Let's blow off some heads, the kids will love it!"

Your loss.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

It seems like they made a decision that Bioware needs to retrench and go back to it's 'original' size focused on Edmonton. Sounds like the right decision if that's the case.

So, purposefully firing people for no reason is a good idea?

Okay.

 

[Derrick01]

Your loss.

Those games were everyone's loss. We weep as one.

 

[epmode]

No kidding. Nothing they've ever done after BG2 was remotely as good.

I have been saying this for years but not many people on GAF agree. KOTOR was the turning point, not Mass Effect 2 or Jade Empire or whatever.

 

[Baron_Calamity]

Mass Effect died when they took out the Mako as far as I'm concerned.

ME1: "Hey, we've got this great new concept. You'll be able to land on these planets, drive around, get out of the vehicle and take on missions. It will be awesome and immersive."

ME2: "Guys let's broaden the appeal here. Let's create more of a corridor shooter. People like shooting stuff right? Who cares about exploration and feeling like your in a real world. Let's blow off some heads, the kids will love it!"

Feel the same way. The first Mass Effect was so good. The second one was good as well but not as good as the first. The third one was completely off the rails.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Their writers SUCK. Period.

Agreed.

I never purchased ME3 because the writing in the demo was barely above fan fiction level.

I have been saying this for years but not many people on GAF agree. KOTOR was the turning point, not Mass Effect 2 or Jade Empire or whatever.

I enjoyed KOTOR as well, but surely there's no denying that is was not even close to being as good as BG2?


As for me, yeah, count me in in the group of people who believe Baldur's Gate was a fluke.

 

[GlassBox]

The Doctors are sounding more and more like the Stamper brothers as time goes on. Their studio is also sounding more and more like Rare too.

And yeah, BioWare's writing is terrible fanfiction crap. I don't know why it gets so much praise. Neverwinter Nights, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, there's nothing special in there at all.

 

[firehawk12]

The Doctors are sounding more and more like the Stamper brothers as time goes on. Their studio is also sounding more and more like Rare too.

And yeah, BioWare's writing is terrible fanfiction crap. I don't know why it gets so much praise.

Bethesda games have no writing and people hate Obsidian. So they're the only ones left.

 

[Rolf NB]

I have been saying this for years but not many people on GAF agree. KOTOR was the turning point, not Mass Effect 2 or Jade Empire or whatever.

I see your KotoR and raise you an NWN.

 

[Ein Bear]

Feel the same way. The first Mass Effect was so good. The second one was good as well but not as good as the first. The third one was completely off the rails.

Nah, the third one was completely on rails.

 

[Bisnic]

Nah, the third one was completely on rails.

Linear ≠ On-rail

 

[Ridesh]

I'm genuinely sad about the BioWare situation.

Until ME2 (not without flaws, but my GOTY 2010 nonetheless) they were infallible to me, I used to think they wouldn't make a bad game even if they tried.

Then, DAII (just awful) and ME3 came out (not bad, just mediocre, I have a lot more problems with it besides the ending)...

 

[vaelic]

Agreed. Fire the bioware writers and that's a good start

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Agreed. Fire the bioware writers and that's a good start

You can't just fire and hire people. That's not how it works. Obviously, BioWare has a formula.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Agreed. Fire the bioware writers and that's a good start

Are we also going to fire the people who designed Dragon Age 2? I'm not sure if Bioware can be saved at this point. How many people are left from the old days?

 

[AnathemicOne]

Oh BioWare how the mighty have fallen. But in all honesty, I (and many others) saw this coming from the news of pre-release DA2.

Edit: Don't worry guys, we still have CD Projekt RED

 

[Cystm]

Agreed. Fire the bioware writers and that's a good start

"Every single game Bioware has put out hasn't been the greatest things in gaming!"

"This company is doooooomed!"

It's goes without saying:

• DA2 was a bad game. Not just underwhelming, but a bad game.
• ME3's ending was a huge let down. Established lore? Yeah, but: fucking robots, dude!.
• TOR was released waaaaaaaaay too early.

Conversely:

• ME 1 and 2 are fantastic games.
• DA:O is one of the best Western RPG's of it's gen.
• Despite it's initial problems TOR is a good MMO. Not the WoW killer eveyone apparently was expecting it was going to be, but still a good, solid gaming experience.

It's one thing to dislike the execution of a game(s) - that's fine, but you and some of the other posters just come off as irrational with your "Bioware is fucking done! Some games they have released are not amazing. FIRE ALL WRITERS!"

 

[TheChaos]

Their writers SUCK. Period
ME has pot holes everywhere.
KOTOR1 evil characters have cartoon quality dialogs.
Jade Empire story wasn't exciting.
DA had some nice lore but actuall story and dialogs... were terribad.

Everyone seems to forget Bioware did Sonic Chronicles. THAT was their worst game by far.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Problem is it looks like they were good enginers creating rather good story from rich lore of D&D.

"Mind if we take the name of this spell? Awesome."

 

[epmode]

I see your KotoR and raise you an NWN.

Oh man, I forgot about that one! I must have blocked it out of my mind since I now associate NWN with Obsidian.

Everyone seems to forget Bioware did Sonic Chronicles. THAT was their worst game by far.

Goddammit, forgot that one too.