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RUMOR: PS4 emulation of PS1/2 games.
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Night Hunter
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Well, that's the million dollar question everyone has been debating for the last 7/14 pages
This is almost certain. Sony already set that precedent when they started offering PS1 games on the Vita, though they had to roll that out on a game-to-game basis. If all this local emulation stuff is true, I think at the very least your PSOne and PS2 classics will carry right over at no extra charge. Sony's all on this cross-buy thing and classics have pretty much been cross-buy from the beginning.
What I'm curious about though is if there's any chance of PS2 classics coming to Vita. That might not be possible outside PSNow and Remote Play.
But couldn't you also play your disc based PS1 and PS2 games on PS Vita through remote play?
Hades Hotgun
Banned
PS2 games on Vita would be phenomenal, but it would make me lament even more the pitiful selection offered via PS2 classics as compared to the actual PS2 library.
I am hopeful that Remote Play will at least be supported with PS2 games, because that would serve my needs the majority of the time.
Manmademan
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It's not "blatant misinformation" at all. the poster you quoted noted that BC hardware *along with the BRD and XDR RAM* "helped drive up the cost of a PS3".
This is 100% correct. The PS3 cost sony $800 to build, yet they sold them for $600. Obviously with the PS3 not quite lighting the world on fire in terms of sales, cutting cost wherever they possibly could was a priority. The BRD and XDR ram are both impossible to cut from the system, as well as integral to Sony's plans for pushing blu-ray. Those weren't going anywhere.
BC on the other hand is important only to early adopters and the hardcore, so dropping it after a year or so makes sense. Even at $27 a unit for BC (and this ignores the cost of a larger, more complicated board to accomodate it) that's still $27 million dollars in cost for every million units sold. If sony sells 4 million PS3s, including BC costs them $104 million dollars. That money is better spent elsewhere.
you'll notice that sony ALSO got rid of the card readers on the original model, as well as the additional USB ports and SACD playback for the same reason.
Yes. I think people forgot that all PS1 discs are actually playable on the PSP through Remote Play.
This is a terrible analogy because if you have a Netflix capable media device that can read DVDs, chance are that it can also play that DVD and you're just going to end up watching the movie on DVD.
The PS4 can probably read PS3 Blu Rays, but is incapable of playing them.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Thanks...
Yaser Tech
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... wtf?
moltonasty
Member
Be a very easy way for them to "win" E3 for me.
Abstruse Moose
Member
If true then I'm glad I kept my ps2 games.
josecitoxnyo
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What is the track record of Thuway? I´'ve been following him on twitter since a couple of months and it's disgusting how fanboy of Sony he is. Seriously.
Every time he says something i don't know if it's an actual rumour or wet dream of his.
Every time he says something i don't know if it's an actual rumour or wet dream of his.
There was a good post in a thread a while back that argued thuway just cold-calls shit that's obvious and reiterates things that have already been rumored, previously.
PrimeSauce
Banned
Dat necro... had me excited for news 
outunderthestars
Banned
I have serious doubts that it will include disc based games. I imagine that it will only include PSN based content.
Yeah, gives them more control to ensure there's no loopholes in security to exploit (just in case) and even without that angle it's a way to make sure that every game runs perfectly. Which will be disappointing especially for the PS1 that seems to be basically at 99.9% compatibility as it is on PS1 with only a few relatively minor issues at worst, although I'd be happy if we could get at least PS1 disc + download and PS2 download only.
But if they really could do disc and download for BOTH... Well, that just means you need PS3 + PS4 for the whole PS library, thankfully.
badcrumble
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I can't remember if there's any wrapper/tweak stuff packaged with the PSN downloads of PS2 games, but the PS1 games are literally just ISOs + game manuals. If you can emulate PSN downloads of PS1 games you can emulate the discs. That's not a technical problem that exists.
rokkerkory
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game changer if announced at E3!
BlackBuzzard
Banned
REALLY!?
There is the angle that you get an emulator that works for a LOT of games, but not all, so you cherry pick the ones that do work, try to tune the emulator if necessary to allow other games to be put up, and so forth. But that really shouldn't be an issue for PS1 games at this point I'd think, not if they accomplished what they did on PSP and PS3 since I can't imagine they really need to do something drastically different with the emulator on PS4 over PS3. Port it over obviously, but I don't think emulators that got ported to consoles via homebrew, mobile devices, or between x86 and PowerPC had compatibility break down so I'd hope whatever Sony made doesn't have those issues crop up to a significant degree between PS3 and PS4.
There's the more cynical angle of trying to get people to pay up for the games again, but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of us were doing that anyway: discs are fragile, the games aren't THAT expensive, and we may just not want to dig the damn things out. Nevermind that sorting things out to get downloads accessible again on PS4 should show that from a consumer friendly perspective it's just better to enable it, we're still missing key games like Crash and Spyro on Vita for some damned reason.
Playstation 2 and 3 both included disc based BC with PSX games. It's part of the feature set that I don't feel they'd gain anything by withdrawing. PS2 disc based compatibility, on the other hand, is a toss up. One can hope.
Actually, I wonder if the PS4 treats discs differently than prior systems? The rumors for the XB1 were that there was no direct disc access and it was only for movie playback and installing games, and if something like that is in the PS4 it might actively mean it can't run PS1 games like the others could. If that's the case then yeah, that'd necessitate download-only annoyingly.
But then it was Microsoft suffering badly from DVD-Rs, while I think that was a non-issue on the Sony front until the security was blown wide open and people probably just ran images off the HDD or whatever.
But then it was Microsoft suffering badly from DVD-Rs, while I think that was a non-issue on the Sony front until the security was blown wide open and people probably just ran images off the HDD or whatever.
Freeman
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PSN PS1/PS2 games on PS3 is all I ask, PS3/PSP and PSVita all had this in some form.
I think this is 100% guaranteed to be honest, their PSN store PS Classics would be rendered useless in a few years and they keep investing on it as we see more games getting released.
This would be a great way for PS4 to ride the drought month before fall/winter, specially if it offered a good upscalling or rendered games at higher resolutions, you cant underestimate the PS2 library.
For PS1 and PS2 physical copies I think there is just no way they offer anything.
I think this is 100% guaranteed to be honest, their PSN store PS Classics would be rendered useless in a few years and they keep investing on it as we see more games getting released.
This would be a great way for PS4 to ride the drought month before fall/winter, specially if it offered a good upscalling or rendered games at higher resolutions, you cant underestimate the PS2 library.
For PS1 and PS2 physical copies I think there is just no way they offer anything.
Doesn't matter, I promise the OS can have facilities to read discs directly enough to run an emulator even if they're not available to normal games and apps.
anchorman128
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If I didn't think he didn't know the unwritten rule of no news = no bump, I would say thread bumps like this should be a banable offence haha. Everyone gets so blue balled and everyone comes in pissed as fuck and derails the thread for a page or two.
OT I doubt that we will hear anything even whispers about this till after update 1.7 is out.
OT I doubt that we will hear anything even whispers about this till after update 1.7 is out.
Running code from other sources might not be designed into their 'hypervisor' layer or whatever it is on PS4. They may not be allowing disc media to run code as a security thing.
I'm not a programmer though, I'm sure they could add it through firmware, its just a matter of their resources, and I'm sure they'd rather be pushing PSNOW.
PS1+2 also have huge libraries with games that used a lot of hardware tricks to try and keep pace with relatively more powerful competing hardware. Releasing a blanket emulator with full support for all titles would be a mad man's mission. Too bad Ken isn't still there, lol
Natureboy99
Banned
Seems likely to mean store bought digital games, not the old discs.
PairOfFilthySocks
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Consumers wanting things is now begging.
This attitude pisses me off like you would not believe.
Portugeezer
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I didn't think it was a bad bump.
EightBitNate
Member
Dat necro... had me excited for news
Lol please contain your faux-outrage, it's only be like 3 weeks since the last post jeez
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
i'm outraged that you are calling it faux outrage
Bluekaveli
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PSYGN
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My faith in humanity blah blah blah
I am a programmer, but you're not too far off. There are security issues with running PS2 discs since there are pressed PS2 discs for stuff like cheat codes that can easily allow people to run homebrew. But it'd be homebrew limited to PS2 specs, and there's risks even with running PSN downloaded games unless Sony just completely blocks any method of transferring PS2 saves from other platforms. If Sony does support discs, they'll probably want to blacklist the cheat code discs. The bottom line is if they want to add that feature, it's trivial next to making an emulator in the first place.
The thing is, if they make all the PS2 games currently on PSN work properly, a pretty decent chunk of other games will automatically work. And naturally Sony's going to want to sell as much of the PS2 library on PSN as possible, so they're going to need as good an emulator as possible. In the end, supporting discs isn't much different from selling games on PSN; all they're really have to do is resurrect their old PS2 BC compatibility website from the European PS3 launch days.
Muffdraul
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Aw c'mon, people getting their tit in a wringer about soul-shattering thread bumps is one of my favorite things about this place.
ScriptedReality
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maybe i can get back to Dot Hack?
Hades Hotgun
Banned
This does not seem like the kind of announcement that Sony would make outside of a major press event.
At E3 they could announce emulation for PS1 and 2 games as a counterpart to the streaming of PS3 games through PSNow. Allowing disc-based compatibility would basically amount to free positive press and good faith from consumers, with no real downside for Sony.
At E3 they could announce emulation for PS1 and 2 games as a counterpart to the streaming of PS3 games through PSNow. Allowing disc-based compatibility would basically amount to free positive press and good faith from consumers, with no real downside for Sony.
Probably will have remote play. People forget that remote play between the PS3 and PSP worked for all PS1 games, even discs.
ZombiePlatypus
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If local as in, pop your ps1/ps2 discs in that'd be amazing. Not having BC is still a huge drawback for me, and make me wanna buy the console later rather than sooner.
How the hell is it that Nintendo of all the console makers managed to not drop the ball on this?
How the hell is it that Nintendo of all the console makers managed to not drop the ball on this?
CurlySaysX
Banned
Cool. I'll finally be able to complete vuewtiful joe.
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