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[TGO]

Drives can read CDs with a DVD frequency laser. The reason PC drives have a CD frequency laser is so they can read and write recordable CDs, as the dye in those only works at a certain frequency. For stamped discs, the data is encoded as physical pits, and all you need to be able to do is focus the laser beam to the size of the pits sufficiently, the frequency doesn't matter. Older DVD drives that just had the one laser could still read CDs, they just couldn't read CD-Rs.

The one piece of information I haven't managed to find yet is if the black layer on PS1 game discs is transparent to the red DVD laser (I'm assuming it's transparent to the CD laser's infrared). It might not be, but I would hope Sony didn't make a Playstation that can read any stamped disc ever made other than their own PS1 discs. But many PS1 games have CD audio tracks, so we'll know if it can read them as soon as CD playback is added.

was gonna say, the discs are just cosmetically different and a normal CD drive in a PC reads them, but you pointed that out already
Not having them read from Disc means 2 things
1, they are modified to would with PS4 or 2, Sony is just barring the ability to read from Disc
it's only changing the location it reads from from, the process for running the game is identical.

 

[Danlord]

It really is exciting to think what Sony could be doing with PS4, and whilst this rumour has been re-iterated a couple of times, it's so amazing to think what it can become. I've just been playing Haunting Ground on PS2 recently and it is such a good looking game, marred by the resolution of the PS2, but rendering it at 1080p would make it feel so much better, and I'm in the process of re-buying PS2 games again, and would very much appreciate a native PS2 emulator that upscales in 1080p.

 

[RaikuHebi]

Now... imagine they add trophy support, too.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20130073551.pdf

Goodbye real life!

I dislike trophies and have them turned off. But I wouldn't mind them for the Classics!

 

[knerlington]

You obviously have no idea how emulation works, LOL.The CPU has nothing to do with the rendering resolution.

Depends on the emulator. If you want an emulator to render using the CPU you damn sure can.

 

[Bluekaveli]

You need a ps2 memory card

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Now... imagine they add trophy support, too.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20130073551.pdf

Goodbye real life!

... I will Platinum PoP: Sands of Time. Like a motherfucka.

 

[batman2million]

I think I'm gonna buy some ps2 games I missed just in case this happens and so the price doesn't jump. if not. I'll just play em on my dying ps2!

 

[George Claw M.D.]

Will buy a second PS4 for the guestroom if this supports discs. Don't care otherwise, because I don't double-dip on digital games I already own.

 

[SniperHunter]

Select Titles

First, confirm Ace Combat 4-5-0. Then, confirm Valkyrie Profile Silmeria and THEN we can start talking.

This!!!


I would love to replay the ace combat games. I still havent played zero

 

[level44]

Gaikai becoming slightly less relevant if this is true.

Not at all. It still can't play PS3 games so Gaikai is still as relevant.

I so hope this is true though!

 

[Rodney McKay]

I never did get a chance to play Final Fantasy 12, and it would be awesome to be able to play R.A.D: Robot Alchemic Drive again! (like they would take the time to get that game supported, lol)

Spoiler

Please let it be supported!

 

[DryvBy]

Oh please make this so! I want to play some of these JRPGs I bought a few months ago. And Fatal Frame!

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Wouldn't disc-based support be sweet (and very simple to implement)? Fat chance, unfortunately, since they'd rather sell the games again.

Too bad there are companies (like Namco) that have no desire to sell their games again. Speaking of classic Ace Combat by the way.

 

[Boombloxer]

Prices of used PS1/2 games about to rocket.

Not even, those discs are in a box waiting to be played again.

Only a few titles I'd really do this for though--most of the big ones already have HD versions.

Except Everything or Nothing. That would probably see the most play time.

 

[davepoobond]

i think it'll be part of the PlayStation Now service honestly. they're going to have to keep updating it to support more titles.

PS3 games will be the only things streamed off their servers to limit the variance in hardware they have to fuck around with, until it gets to the point where they can offload it onto your PS4 (if ever) or PS5.

i knew that having local emulation is much cheaper/pleasurable experience than streaming and having tons of servers to cope with demand for it.

it makes a ton of sense to have to pay a fee for these things when PlayStation Now comes along. PlayStation Now might be purely download emulation (ie not disc based), but they're putting it under a consistent header then and not "PS1 Classics" and "PS2 Classics"


i think PlayStation Now will show its use when PS4 games come to it and you can instantly stream a demo or a game on a non-PlayStation console.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

I like the things Sony is doing.
RemotePlay
Virtual Reality
Gaikai streaming (Ps3 backwards compatability)
Ps1/2 HD-Emulation (Ps1/2 backwards compatability)

True next-gen features.
While these feature are certainly not interesting for everyone, I think they're really nice for some people.

 

[impact]

They should just hire the dude(s) who made PCSX2 and get him to do something like that for PS4. My old laptop could run most games at 3-4x native res with solid 60 or solid 30fps. It's a great emulator.

 

[Chettlar]

Oh please yes! I really didn't want to have to get a fat PS3 for PS2 games. Hope this pans out.

Would be a huge incentive to get a PS4.

My wishlist:

1. Backwards compatilbility with as many PS1 and 2 games as possible
2. increase in resolution in these games if possible (I mean hey, PC PS2 emulators do it), even if only to things like 720p. And even if this isn't possible (and if it is too), then:
3. AA solution such as FXAA (though make that optional, as it could possibly ruin some games. Idk, strange things happen with backwards compatibility). The jaggies in SSX Tricky are just, ugh when played on a phat PS3. Would love something that could help smooth that out.

 

[Orayn]

Regarding disc-based emulation: It would be pretty sweet if Sony allowed it. They went this route for PS1 games on PS3 because the emulator was highly reliable and most PS1 games have been out of print for long enough that they weren't overly worried about it cutting into the sales of downloadable versions. Hard to say if the part about compatibility would apply to PS2, though; if support is spotty and needs adjustments on a game by game basis, I can see them going downloadable-only like PS3.

They should just hire the dude(s) who made PCSX2 and get him to do something like that for PS4. My old laptop could run most games at 3-4x native res with solid 60 or solid 30fps. It's a great emulator.

There was some suspicion that Sony may have actually used parts of PCSX2 code for PS2 Classics on PS3, since they wound up duplicating some of the exact same bugs. Could just be a coincidence, though.

 

[Beant]

I am just going to assume I can play ffxii in 1080p after this.

YES! Thank you based SONY!

 

[level44]

I can't unfortunately. Not going to break trusts any more than that.

Can you please give us a timeframe? Even if it is kind of vague, thanks

 

[Chettlar]

They should just hire the dude(s) who made PCSX2 and get him to do something like that for PS4. My old laptop could run most games at 3-4x native res with solid 60 or solid 30fps. It's a great emulator.

Yes. I wish this would happen more in the industry. Hire the modders! They've spent years on this stuff. They know it in and out.

 

[justsomeguy]

To be honest, I don't see any massive hype.

Sorry, used utterly the wrong word - I meant excitement not hype. Lots of people excited to play old games. If those games were THAT awesome wouldn't one already have a £10 or £20 PS2 under the telly / in a drawer / etc.

I just generally don't understand the glee for old games. Golden Axe and Outrun maybe, but that's about it (and that's just because those two were happy childhood arcade memories. They're relatively crap by today's standards).

 

[Tabby]

Citing:

Be excited:
1. Local PS2 / PS1 support on PS4 w/ native 1080p rendering for select titles.
2. Bluray+Media Player updates

https://twitter.com/thuway/status/448330251878531072

This would be huge!

Sorry if already posted, I did not find it.

Aw yis.
Why do I not have a PS4 yet?

 

[justsomeguy]

I like my games to look as good as they possibly can.

Why do you have a console then? ;-)

 

[tino]

If I can replay GQ8 and FF12 in higher resolution I would be so jizzing in my pants right now.

 

[suikodan]

I am just going to assume I can play ffxii in 1080p after this.

YES! Thank you based SONY!

My thoughts exactly.

And add to that a Remote Play feature inside the emulator??? WOW

 

[Faxanadu 2: Breadaloo]

Dark Cloud 2 1080p check please

hi i'm new

 

[Schweinehund]

Same I feel like the PS4 should be plenty strong enough for 1080P + AA emulation on PSX/PS2 games.

It's cpu isn't really that impressive, unless they have a way to utilize the GPU in assisting CPU calculations. VRAM won't help that much for emulation, its pretty much all pure processing power.

 

[Abdiel]

what?

I doubt Sony would suddenly divorce the seamless account structure they have for psn purchases. I originally bought final fantasy 8 on my psp back in 2006 or so, and I've since been able to put it on my vita and ps3 as well, without having to repurchase anything. It'd cause unnecessary loss of customer goodwill.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Why would they do this? Wouldn't this make the PSNow stuff less attractive?

 

[makingmusic476]

Oh god, this better be true.

And if I can play FFXII off a disc, it'll make the lack of an HD version more bearable.

 

[FLEABttn]

Oh man, I'd love to play Frequency again.

 

[Nibiru]

I will have to find the thread were I said this would happen and everyone told me the emulation was impossible.

 

[Arc]

You need a ps2 memory card

The PS3 lets you create virtual memory cards to save to. I would imagine the system on PS4 would be similar.

Glad people clarified that the PS4 can in fact read CDs. There is a Blu-ray drive in there after all and I've never heard of one that isn't backwards compatible.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Well, this has me excited. I can finally play the Digital Devil Saga games.

 

[Tcbys]

PS3 games is missing.




Damn

I think it would be really hard to emulate PS3 games considering it would have to emulate the Cell Processor. Had PS3 used traditional methods of CPU then it would of been possable.

 

[LowerLevel]

My thoughts exactly.

And add to that a Remote Play feature inside the emulator??? WOW

You read my mind and gave me wood as a consequence. THIS is the kind of news that can make me pull the trigger on a Ps4 purchase! FFXII, Sakura Wars, P3 FES... I have these disks, and more, waiting and I could store my Ps2... But add in the idea of Remote Play? Oh yeah...

 

[koutoru]

It would make the consumer happy, but wouldn't Sony want to promote their NOW service instead?

 

[sensui-tomo]

if this happened, it would be safe to assume that the games would still be regionlocked right? as that was how it was for ps3(meaning you couldnt play PAL disks(ps2) on a american ps3

 

[ShogunDarius]

imagine if this emulation can bypass ps1 and ps2 region lock

 

[dcx4610]

I would think this would be pretty low priority. Why waste time and money to appeal to people that still own physical PS1 and PS2 discs?

Don't get me wrong, I'm a physical media guy but it just seems like wasted resources from a business perspective. Instead, they should be getting those titles on PSN as digital downloads to actually make money.

But hey, if they let you play your old games from disc, that's just icing on the cake. Just a little surprising.

 

[muzzymate]

This is amazing! I have long ranted that the worst part of this generation so far has been abandonment of native backwards compatibility by Sony & Microsoft, especially with digital titles coming into their own last generation. As an Xbox One owner, I really hope Microsoft has something like this in the works.

 

[Torgo]

Can you please give us a timeframe? Even if it is kind of vague, thanks

That I do not know

 

[darkjedi187]

Dark Cloud 2, Dragon Quest 8 and FF XII would be amazing to be able to play in 1080p.

 

[Yama]

Just let me play Fatal Frame 3 rendered at 1080p'ssss

 

[flatearthpandas]

I legitimately would not have bought FFX / X-2 HD if I knew about this.

But I still hope it's true.

 

[PaulExcellent]

If I can use a PS4 to play the dot.hack// games in "HD", I will get a PS4 so quick.

 

[Harlock]

I dont know if PS1/PS2 have a lot of replay value now.

It is a situation where only Nintendo would had a real value with emulation of your Wii/GameCube games using upscaling.

But god gives wings for who dont wanna fly.

 

[no angel]

Fix the euro store so it's no longer a shitty copy of the US' (still no suikoden?) then maybe I'll be interested.