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[Foxbat]

PlayStation Now downloads get double the play time of streamed games

Downloaded games have quickly come to dominate PlayStation Now, proving twice as popular as streamed titles on Sony's o…

www.gamesindustry.biz

700k subscribers April 26, 2019

Xbox Game Pass Has "Millions" Of Subscribers

Xbox boss Phil Spencer reveals a new subscriber figure and talks about what makes Xbox Game Pass so great.

www.gamespot.com

“Millions” of subscribers Nov 13, 2018

What gaming subscriptions are you currently subscribed to?

PS Plus but im disappointed of the service.

www.neogaf.com

6 ppl that voted currently on PSNow, 31 on Gamepass.

I don’t think there is much evidence that PSNow is more popular, unless you want to hang your hat that Superdata report, but even Sony’s own numbers make that look like horseshit.

Exactly! That Superdata image has been plastered so many times here, that I think it's permanently burned in to my phone.

Absolutely nothing from officially released numbers supports that Superdata report. That report could've been from soon after Gamepass released maybe?

 

[Foxbat]

Nice try telling the truth?

Sure. Move the goalpost if you want. Makes no difference to me.

 

[demigod]

PlayStation Now downloads get double the play time of streamed games

Downloaded games have quickly come to dominate PlayStation Now, proving twice as popular as streamed titles on Sony's o…

www.gamesindustry.biz

700k subscribers April 26, 2019

Xbox Game Pass Has "Millions" Of Subscribers

Xbox boss Phil Spencer reveals a new subscriber figure and talks about what makes Xbox Game Pass so great.

www.gamespot.com

“Millions” of subscribers Nov 13, 2018

What gaming subscriptions are you currently subscribed to?

PS Plus but im disappointed of the service.

www.neogaf.com

6 ppl that voted currently on PSNow, 31 on Gamepass.

I don’t think there is much evidence that PSNow is more popular, unless you want to hang your hat that Superdata report, but even Sony’s own numbers make that look like horseshit.

Can you ask Phil how many of those subs are full price, thanks.

 

[Kagey K]

Can you ask Phil how many of those subs are full price, thanks.

Why?

The post I quoted stated that PSNow was more popular, I refuted it.

 

[demigod]

Why?

The post I quoted stated that PSNow was more popular, I refuted it.

Whats more popular, a Lamborghini or a Toyota?

 

[Kagey K]

Whats more popular, a Lamborghini or a Toyota?

I didn’t make the claim and I think you be hard pressed to say PSNow and Gamepass are either a Lamborghini or a Toyota.

 

[demigod]

I figured you weren’t going to choose, thanks for playing.

 

[Kagey K]

I figured you weren’t going to choose, thanks for playing.

The person I quoted came here and said Now is more popular then Gamepass and tried to pass it off as a fact.

I refuted that fact and now you try to move the goalposts.

Sorry, you are right I’m not playing those games.

 

[Foxbat]

The person I quoted came here and said Now is more popular then Gamepass and tried to pass it off as a fact.

I refuted that fact and now you try to move the goalposts.

Sorry, you are right I’m not playing those games.

Yeah, moving goalposts is kinda his thing. He's bad at it though.

 

[ethomaz]

Sure. Move the goalpost if you want. Makes no difference to me.

Wut?

What I said was true but you tried to cover it saying it was not lol

Fact: MS allow paid early access like said and it is ducking ridiculous to pay to be a beta tester.

To be fair I was wrong because I generalized but I can fix it right now:

Pay for early beta/access is the biggest bullshit Steam, MS and EA wants to put on industry.

Now everything is right.

 

[Achillias]

This is actually stupid. Now they even want you to pay extra to play beta's and alpha's. Call it "premium" and fool people with it.

 

[Foxbat]

Wut?

What I said was true but you tried to cover it saying it was not lol

Fact: MS allow paid early access like said and it is ducking ridiculous to pay to be a beta tester.

To be fair I was wrong because I generalized but I can fix it right now:

Pay for early beta/access is the biggest bullshit Steam, MS and EA wants to put on industry.

Now everything is right.

No. Let me explain this so maybe you'll understand.

With XBL, you have access to early access games that may be in an alpha/beta. The publisher of that game may or may not charge you for it, but MS doesn't add any additional charge or fee for the access. Bluehole for example decided to charge a reduces fee for PUBG, while some games are free. I believe The Darwin Project or whatever is free for example.

With Sony, you cannot access early access games in an Aplha/Beta state. Not generally anyway. (Sony does make the rare exception.) With this proposal, you must first pay for PS PLUS Premium in order to get early access. You would then need to buy the game if the game's publisher decides to charge for it.

Does that help?

Xbox: early access free> May have to buy game.

PS: early access behind PS+Premium> May have to buy game.

You're somehow trying to blame this on MS, EA, and Steam while Sony's offering is the worst of the bunch.

 

[ethomaz]

No. Let me explain this so maybe you'll understand.

With XBL, you have access to early access games that may be in an alpha/beta. The publisher of that game may or may not charge you for it, but MS doesn't add any additional charge or fee for the access. Bluehole for example decided to charge a reduces fee for PUBG, while some games are free. I believe The Darwin Project or whatever is free for example.

With Sony, you cannot access early access games in an Aplha/Beta state. Not generally anyway. (Sony does make the rare exception.) With this proposal, you must first pay for PS PLUS Premium in order to get early access. You would then need to buy the game if the game's publisher decides to charge for it.

Does that help?

Xbox: early access free> May have to buy game.

PS: early access behind PS+Premium> May have to buy game.

You're somehow trying to blame this on MS, EA, and Steam while Sony's offering is the worst of the bunch.

You just proved how my comment is correct... MS support paid early access and that is ridiculous.

You are trying to defense the indefensible.

Pay for early beta/access is the biggest bullshit Steam, MS and EA wants to put on industry.

 

[Foxbat]

You just proved how my comment is correct... MS support paid early access and that is ridiculous.

You are trying to defense the indefensible.

Lol okay.

Options are bad I guess.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Xbox: early access free> May have to buy game.

PS: early access behind PS+Premium> May have to buy game.

So they would be the same if this “rumor” were true?

 

[Foxbat]

So they would be the same if this “rumor” were true?

No they wouldn't.

 

[xrnzaaas]

Sony asking people to pay more money for stuff like alpha/beta access would only prove how cocky they are and how confident about being in the lead. It's a shame Microsoft gets too much money from Gold to consider dropping paid multiplayer and leaving Sony to deal with the hate.

 

[Panajev2001a]

No they wouldn't.

?

 

[FranXico]

It's a shame Microsoft gets too much money from Gold to consider dropping paid multiplayer and leaving Sony to deal with the hate.

It's a real shame Microsoft didn't get any hate for charging people for multiplayer in the first place.
If a lot of the people who are now outraged at Sony (and Nintendo) hadn't favoured Microsoft with their double standards before, this escalation of greedy subscriptions would not be happening now.

 

[ethomaz]

Lol okay.

Options are bad I guess.

Option to pay to play a beta/alpha?

Really?

How awesome MS that give us the “option” to pay for our beta/alphas lol

 

[down 2 orth]

Day by day I'm feeling better about my decision to quit Sony and Plus as soon as my subscription expires. It really is nice to have so many options out there.

 

[FranXico]

And you're paying for limited cloud storage, so your argument is moot since they cancel each other out.

Good thing for you that cloud storage is so important and has such an impact on gameplay...
Ok, then, there is no such thing as false equivalence and we can blindly use any features as if they are equally important and have the same impact on the user experience. Cloud storage cancels out online multiplayer.
You're right, the discussion is moot, just not for the reason you think it is...

Nice, so you having evidence that they'll be a pricing model? Even if that's the case, I wouldn't pay for it because I don't want to play my games on a phone or tablet. But you pulled this from your bum, that xCloud would be a separate subscription all together.

Do you know anything about the streaming quality on xCloud? Because I also pulled superior quality out of my bum (to resort to your vulgar language), but you seem to be ok with any speculation that places MS services under a positive light...
I wonder why...

 

[BlackOlivesMatter]

PS Plus Premium: "Now you only get one game a month"

 

[Virex]

I don't even have PS+ anymore since last year September. Never noticed the difference of not having PS+. Just shows how valueless it actually has become.

 

[SurprisedPikachu]

If this PS+ Premium included PSNow for a discounted value in addition to the previously outlined features.. I would pay for it, otherwise it's not really worth the value just to have private servers and alpha/beta access. We already basically have that with what companies have been pushing out anyway with Anthem being the most recent example.

 

[FranXico]

I don't even have PS+ anymore since last year September. Never noticed the difference of not having PS+. Just shows how valueless it actually has become.

People can more easily skip the online multiplayer subscription on playstation.

 

[mckmas8808]

This is actually stupid. Now they even want you to pay extra to play beta's and alpha's. Call it "premium" and fool people with it.

Did you miss the part where this is a rumor and we don't have all the information?

 

[The_Mike]

How not exciting. How about a PS plus base, just online play and cost is nothing. Then they can charge whatever they want for premium.

Do you realize the amount of money passing Sonys nose instead of wallet?

 

[GermanZepp]

If this is only for early access, betas demos and private servers is a terrible idea. Hopefully, Best case scenario this are some features coming to PS plus.

 

[zenspider]

PS Plus +?

 

[MayauMiao]

I'm done with PS+. They have nothing to offer and recent "free" games have been crap (to me). I barely even make use of multiplayer since I'm more towards single player game. Only reason I subscribed to it this long is for discounts and maybe hoping some great "free" games. Premium is just going to be a big middle finger to those hoping the PS+ to get a bit better than what it is now.

 

[Achillias]

Did you miss the part where this is a rumor and we don't have all the information?

Did you miss the part that it is a response on the speculated information?

 

[Caffeine]

so they are offering for a fee everything that is already free on pc?

 

[Croatoan]

So you want psnow to be like gamepass where you need ps plus in order to play multiplayer games? BRILLIANT IDEA.

No, I want psnow to include all of Sony's first party new release games plus some third party new release games, same date or earlier as physical releases, for $100 a year.

I use EA Access premier on PC and think it is awesome. PSNOW should work like that.

I would be super happy if one of them offered a $199 or $299 a year plan that allowed you to download and play every game released on their platform. There are so many games I don't play because I don't want to spend $60 on them, but I would play them if they were part of a subscription.

 

[demigod]

No, I want psnow to include all of Sony's first party new release games plus some third party new release games, same date or earlier as physical releases, for $100 a year.

I use EA Access premier on PC and think it is awesome. PSNOW should work like that.

I would be super happy if one of them offered a $199 or $299 a year plan that allowed you to download and play every game released on their platform. There are so many games I don't play because I don't want to spend $60 on them, but I would play them if they were part of a subscription.

So you want them to spend MILLIONS of dollars on SP games and bleed money just so they can be like the competition, another BRILLIANT idea. You’re just asking for studios to be closedown. Let me give you a hint, Sony doesn’t get the whole $100 subscription.

 

[Chairman Tickles]

Pay even more for online server gaming and unfinished games.

 

[Kagey K]

Pay even more for online server gaming and unfinished games.

I’m sure you’ll also get some free themes, and maybe some in game badges and other junk to show how special you are.

 

[Boss Mog]

Wow paying for beta access, no thanks.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Hehe... as if games never sold early access as a preorder bonus before lol...

 

[FranXico]

Hehe... as if games never sold early access as a preorder bonus before lol...

Doesn't change the fact that making a higher tier online subscription around that is quite a stupid idea.

 

[Kagey K]

Doesn't change the fact that making a higher tier online subscription around that is quite a stupid idea.

It’ll be the “day earlier then normal people but not as early as we give it to influencers and streamers” edition.

 

[Kagey K]

Considering that PSNow is way more popular and makes more money, I don't think Sony are really all that bothered with the Gamespass formula.

And as it's already been pointed out, Gamespass requires 2 sub to fully access every mode in some games. The best option right now is that Sony doesn't copy that.

PlayStation Now downloads get double the play time of streamed games

Downloaded games have quickly come to dominate PlayStation Now, proving twice as popular as streamed titles on Sony's o…

www.gamesindustry.biz

700k subscribers April 26, 2019

Xbox Game Pass Has "Millions" Of Subscribers

Xbox boss Phil Spencer reveals a new subscriber figure and talks about what makes Xbox Game Pass so great.

www.gamespot.com

“Millions” of subscribers Nov 13, 2018

What gaming subscriptions are you currently subscribed to?

Just looking to do a poll and see what the general gaming community looks like. You can pick all or none of the options listed, but I ask you to please be honest and you can support why you choose to subscribe to those services in the replies. If you vote other please reply and say the...

www.neogaf.com

6 ppl that voted currently on PSNow, 31 on Gamepass.

I don’t think there is much evidence that PSNow is more popular, unless you want to hang your hat that Superdata report, but even Sony’s own numbers make that look like horseshit.

Whats more popular, a Lamborghini or a Toyota?

I’m a big fan of this is how we discuss things on Gaf now.

Get proven wrong and just pretend it didn’t happen, dogpile when you get the chance.

Either one of you want to come back in here with the balls to say you were wrong?

Or do you want to pretend it didn’t happen? (I’m pretty sure I already know what the answer will be)

 

[Ar¢tos]

Why would I ever want to have access to exclusive game betas? To play games in an even more unfinished state than when they release? I already wait a couple of months to buy a game so there is time for at least a couple of patches to come out and turn the early access release into the gold version.

 

[CyberPanda]

Why would I ever want to have access to exclusive game betas? To play games in an even more unfinished state than when they release? I already wait a couple of months to buy a game so there is time for at least a couple of patches to come out and turn the early access release into the gold version.

It makes gamers feel 'special'. I dunno. lol.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I’m a big fan of this is how we discuss things on Gaf now.

Get proven wrong and just pretend it didn’t happen, dogpile when you get the chance.

Either one of you want to come back in here with the balls to say you were wrong?

Or do you want to pretend it didn’t happen? (I’m pretty sure I already know what the answer will be)

To be fair, this says nothing about its revenue vs PSNow’s one and subscriber numbers once the tons of frequent deals aimed at building user base up expire... unless MS keeps bankrolling it and can sustain a service on these terms for long (not in terms of cost being high, but in terms of long term software cost perception devaluation or the mobile life ).

 

[Kagey K]

To be fair, this says nothing about its revenue vs PSNow’s one and subscriber numbers once the tons of frequent deals aimed at building user base up expire... unless MS keeps bankrolling it and can sustain a service on these terms for long (not in terms of cost being high, but in terms of long term software cost perception devaluation or the mobile life ).

No he said it was more popular and more profitable, I proved he was wrong on more popular and I don’t think any of us here can prove either of them are more profitable, but I’m willing to let you try.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Proof wise you need both of their numbers, educated guess wise do you also have a hunch on ASP’s for each service since we now have subscriber numbers? Popularity wise, nice feather in the cap for Gamepass, will wait to see what is happening with all the massive incentives that helped people subscribe a lot more easily (dramatically lowering the cost to entry).

Notice also how I was not commenting directly on the back and forth you have with them but with the topic more broadly. If you want to have the win take it, I will still argue my points hoping you can run your victory lap and talk at the same time .

 

[azz0r]

Why would I ever want to have access to exclusive game betas? To play games in an even more unfinished state than when they release? I already wait a couple of months to buy a game so there is time for at least a couple of patches to come out and turn the early access release into the gold version.

Being part of the feedback loop and shaping a game before release is nice

 

[Kagey K]

Proof wise you need both of their numbers, educated guess wise do you also have a hunch on ASP’s for each service since we now have subscriber numbers? Popularity wise, nice feather in the cap for Gamepass, will wait to see what is happening with all the massive incentives that helped people subscribe a lot more easily (dramatically lowering the cost to entry).

Notice also how I was not commenting directly on the back and forth you have with them but with the topic more broadly. If you want to have the win take it, I will still argue my points hoping you can run your victory lap and talk at the same time .

It’s not a victory lap. I’m just trying to crunch the numbers. I like numbers and I’m a fan of them, as they leave little to the imagination.

What I don’t like is when people are incorrect and make assumptions and then disappear, when proven wrong.

I have made math mistakes, been proven wrong before, and I come back and rightly own up to it.

I don’t have a problem with being wrong, I actually like it because it makes me think outside my box. It’s not subjective it’s cold hard facts.

I don’t like people that wave “facts” around and never come back, only because they were wrong and try to pretend it didn’t happen.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Being part of the feedback loop and shaping a game before release is nice

I rather play the finished game than get frustrated by a bugged/unfinished/unbalanced version.
I did beta testing for a few years (paid closed betas) and every single game I tested I didn't buy because the beta testing experience completely took my interest in the game.
I know its a different thing, because these were real betas, with placeholder textures, animations, menus, etc. What they call "betas" nowadays are nothing more than glorified limited time demos that they call betas to get away with bugs/glitches and to have to deal with less certifications than a real demo would require.