Oooooh no, please, this is nonsense.
I want Retro to do all of this PLUS something new. Don't give those precious names to other team so they can fuck everything up. Retro is synonym of good, I want my next Star Fox/Zelda/DK made by them.
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Rumour: Nintendo cancels Eternal Darkness 2; Fact: Silicon Knights hit by layoffs
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Oooooh no, please, this is nonsense.
I want Retro to do all of this PLUS something new. Don't give those precious names to other team so they can fuck everything up. Retro is synonym of good, I want my next Star Fox/Zelda/DK made by them.
ShockingAlberto
Member
It would be like purchasing the Titanic somewhere between hitting the iceberg and it fully sinking.
evilromero
Member
Why can't one of Nintendo's internal studios take some of the ED2 team to finish the project. NST?
Viola of the Abyss
Member
Bad news one after another... 
I hope that at least the game gets picked up by some other studio if this is true, but it won't be the same.
I'm sorry for all involved.
I hope that at least the game gets picked up by some other studio if this is true, but it won't be the same.
I'm sorry for all involved.
Attackthebase
Member
At this point, SK couldn't make a good Eternal Darkness title. It is better that ED2 dies rather than becoming a plague on our hearts.
Well Retro was once a titanic that somehow they managed to salvage.....the problem is they don't have a truly decent western company besides Retro, meanwhile Sony has lots of......this E3 reallywas the worst in a while for Nintendo.....no decent news besides ubisoft games....go figure...
soxinthebox
Member
I wouldn't trust Silicon Knights to do Eternal Darkness justice. Have they even made any great games since the first?
Gamer @ Heart
Member
CD is a wholly owned studio by SE/eidos so that can't happan as much as it would please me.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Comparing pre-restructuring Retro to Silicon Knights is seriously fucking laughable.
Coming up with terrible analogies to prove a point does you no favors.
You've just laid out an open invitation for the beardos and fruitcakes to come slithering out of the woodwork and proclaim Too Human was a good game.
You've doomed us all.
Someone tell this to id Software.
Exterminieren
Banned
Don't talk nonsense. Nintendo spending money on an out-of-sorts dev team to revive a decade-absent franchise is one thing, but having to throw 10 million extra at them to keep them afloat? No, as much as I'd like to see ED2, it not coming is squarely down to SK's incompetence, not because of Nintendo.
I don't care if SK goes under. I care about Eternal Darkness 2 regardless of who's developing it.
Nintendo's history of predicting which studios and games can be salvaged versus those which cannot is so good that I don't see how anyone can question them at this point.
Say what you will about the company but their eye for software is the best in the industry. If they didn't think SK was worth the investment then they weren't and I doubt anyone else will step in.
Say what you will about the company but their eye for software is the best in the industry. If they didn't think SK was worth the investment then they weren't and I doubt anyone else will step in.
goldenpp72
Member
I don't think I really understand, why do people want ED2 developed by this company? ED1 doesn't exactly hold up the best today, and it's very clear that SK has not been able to keep up with the progressions in this industry. Too human was a decent game, but decent isn't good enough when your game crosses the development time of 3 console generations, and there following work afterwards got even worse.
People trash Rare, yet all of Rares titles have still been good to great, scoring accordingly and even outselling SK efforts, SK is a terrible dev company for unknown reasons, but i'd not trust any beloved IP to them at this point. I hope any developers that have lost their jobs manage to find work in the industry that suits their talent, but clearly SK is not capable of outputting anything worth a damn today. If Nintendo cares about this game a lot (I doubt they do considering the original didn't exactly light the world on fire) it would probably be best to just hand it to a new developer with Nintendo oversight.
People trash Rare, yet all of Rares titles have still been good to great, scoring accordingly and even outselling SK efforts, SK is a terrible dev company for unknown reasons, but i'd not trust any beloved IP to them at this point. I hope any developers that have lost their jobs manage to find work in the industry that suits their talent, but clearly SK is not capable of outputting anything worth a damn today. If Nintendo cares about this game a lot (I doubt they do considering the original didn't exactly light the world on fire) it would probably be best to just hand it to a new developer with Nintendo oversight.
ShockingAlberto
Member
No one made Silicon Knights sue Epic under really spurious reasoning.
No one made them produce bomb after bomb after bomb with years of dev time.
No one made them produce bomb after bomb after bomb with years of dev time.
Oh no someone definitely made them do it. It was the devil himself, Denis Dyack.
Talladega Knight
Member
okay, eternal darkness 2 by blitz games
Best possible outcome. SK without the mismanagement of Dyack nor the debt, doing what they do. Other desirable outcomes include giving ED2 to Retro (possibly expanding Retro or starting a satellite dev house under the Retro umbrella, like how EA puts every studio they make or acquire under the Bioware umbrella) or to Next Level Games. I just do not want to consider the undesirable outcome, where there is no ED2.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
Dude. The fact that they were making this at all was a treat. SK is a sinking ship and throwing more money at them for a game they expect little return on (like the original) would be stupid and reckless. Don't overreact. This is a business.
Good news is that if they started it once, it means they could easily start it again.
That would be awesome. Give me an ED game with a take on Glover. You know you want it.
Like I said. I don't give two shits about SK. They can go under for all I care. I just want a good studio to develop Eternal Darkness 2. Not sure why everyone is assuming I give a shit about a studio that can't do anything right.
Baconsammy
Banned
They're too good to keep making the same franchises over and over. Let NOJ keep doing that.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
I think it was more your overreaction to dissmissing the wii u that threw me off I guess.
Baconsammy
Banned
I'm still bitter about the conference. Don't mind me
It wasn't so much the conference, although it was awful, it was the glaring lack of third party support that bothered me. Huge presence last year claiming they were going to support Nintendo, and then gone this year.
I think it's absolutely disgusting that they worked on X-Men Destiny for 2.5 years.
Nickodamus Rex
Banned
Is Denis still banned on the forums? If so, someone should reach out and give him the opportunity to explain, no? Or would he stay away if given the chance?
I just felt as if the show fell apart after they showed Pikmin 3. They opened really strong and it exponentially went down hill from there. The lack of third party support did bother me and the demonstration of Batman AC killed me.
EmCeeGramr
Member
fuck everything
Honestly I can't blame them. I would kill for a good ED2... But Silicon Knights is currently a clusterfuck.
Are you saying Nintendo wouldn't have been able to guide them through this game? Nintendo's known for their guidance during game development.
True. Let's just hope they find someone else, who's actually good at game development, to finish the job.
This.
Nintendo can even make Next Level Games produce good games, so I wouldn't have worried about ED2.
UberTag
Member
ED2 was never going to be good anyway coming out of Silicon Knights so this isn't such a terrible loss.
Hopefully anyone that remained at SK with some level of talent finds their way to landing a gig at some place more stable like Capybara, Drinkbox, Queasy, Ubisoft Toronto or any of the other noteworthy devs in the GTA area.
Hopefully anyone that remained at SK with some level of talent finds their way to landing a gig at some place more stable like Capybara, Drinkbox, Queasy, Ubisoft Toronto or any of the other noteworthy devs in the GTA area.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
Ouch. Unlike their licenced stuff, their Nintendo games actually have a decent budget and more than 12 months of Dev time, but I get what you mean.
Funny thing about that. SK actually left the Nintendo fold because they wanted to make bigger more epic games with budgets Nintendo would never approve.
List of companies that would likely still be alive today if they had stuck with Nintendo:
-Silicon Knights
-Free Radical
-Factor 5
Hell Sega would be in much better shape too. I shudder to think how much next-gen is going to kill. One major bomb and you're out.
The story sounds believable and if it is true, then Silicon Knights obviously only has itself to blame. Nintendo shouldn't have to pay for SK's massive debt and salvage whatever is left of the company. Eternal Darkness 2 wouldn't have likely lived up to expectations even if SK were allowed to finish it. Goodbye, Eternal Darkness.