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[Snaku]

Dun dun dun duuuuuuuuun DUN DUN DUN DUN!

 

[Keylime]

I take Jaffe at his word when he says the game is going to visually look amazing. He's an intense but sincere guy.

Can't wait to see what this looks/plays like.

 

[Brofist]

I like Devil May Cry, but don't let my username fool you, God of War is the king of the action genre. Especially after seeing how DMC4 and NG2 turned out this gen ewww.

I am in the minority, but I really didn't mind NG2, except for the mad slowdown in areas. But I have high hopes for GoW3.

 

[DevilWillcry]

I am in the minority, but I really didn't mind NG2, except for the mad slowdown in areas. But I have high hopes for GoW3.

NG2 turned out better than DMC4, but God of War III is a first party game setting out to sell hardware, so I'm expecting a bit more from it.

 

[Warren Ellis]

Yeah, just like that. What is it with Sony fans and over inflating hype? Everything has to set a new standard, and even if Killzone DID turn out to be amazing looking, it's probably of the first game to do so in Sony's lineup. .

this is a joke right ?

 

[Wii Will Rock U]

All we have to do is wait until Sunday when first gameplay footage is shown at the VGAs.

But oh man, online co-op and graphics that eclipse Gears 2 and Uncharted? SIGN ME UP!

 

[BeeDog]

Is there any proper confirmation that VGA will show off proper gameplay? I still don't believe it for a second.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Yeah, just like that. What is it with Sony fans and over inflating hype? Everything has to set a new standard, and even if Killzone DID turn out to be amazing looking, it's probably of the first game to do so in Sony's lineup.

Again, even if God of War 3 turns out to be amazing looking, every fucking game is amazing looking when Mr.Sony-Insider-in-the-know talks about it.

because the ps3 clearly hasn't delivered with uncharted, resistance 2, ratchet tod, mgs4, motorstorm 2, and next year with killzone2...

ppl are hyped because both gow's in ps2 were clearly above everything else that came out on consoles, just like shadow of the colossus, they did stuff ppl thought it just couldn't happen on ps2

and after seeing heavy rain and killzone2, i'm pretty sure no one has to be worried about uncharted 2 or god of war 3, it's clear cut they will be b3yond (see what i did there? :lol ) anything else.

 

[karasu]

I can't force myself to give a shit about more of the same old God of War. It's the most overrated franchise around.

 

[manueldelalas]

just like KZ2, eh?

:lol

Get's really annoying; Heavenly Sword (Goddess of War, lol), MGS4, LBP, KZ2 (why? the first one sucked), Motorstorm, Uncharted, Ratchet, GT5 (even prologue got hyped to no end) and GoW3. The FFXIII hype died down after the X360 announcement. Even Home is a victim of the SDF.

I know Nintendo and Microsoft do this, but it is not as bad as the PS3 games hype. Sure, Zelda, Smash, Halo and Gears get announced pretty early, but after their releases that is it. For PS3 it has been one hyped game after the other, and the games take years to release after the announcement.

 

[thaOwner]

We'll see soon enough

 

[roMonster]

Is there any proper confirmation that VGA will show off proper gameplay? I still don't believe it for a second.

GOD OF WAR III. Kratos soon arrives on the PlayStation 3 and only the VGAs will bring you the first-ever glimpse at this game. And let me put all you skeptics to rest right now. I’m happy to confirm you’ll be seeing real-time gameplay footage.

http://geoffmk.gametrailers.com/gamepad/

 

[Dirtbag]

I take Jaffe at his word when he says the game is going to visually look amazing. He's an intense but sincere guy.

Can't wait to see what this looks/plays like.

Actually what he said is, the game is going to look better then anything to date, resembling a painting and setting new graphical standards.

 

[BeeDog]

http://geoffmk.gametrailers.com/gamepad/

Thanks for the link, now I'm intrigued.

 

[Keylime]

ppl are hyped because both gow's in ps2 were clearly above everything else that came out on consoles, just like shadow of the colossus, they did stuff ppl thought it just couldn't happen on ps2

Too strong a statement.

I don't think SotC did anything that people thought couldn't be done. If you put really nice looking big things on a screen, you're going to run at 5-10 fps, which is what that game did. The AI for the Colossi was nothing crazy, so it's not like the game was looking amazing, running smoothly and had complex algorithms being executed throughout.

The game's presentation was amazing, but lets not pretend that it did something that it didn't.

The God of War series is definitely a visual achievement on the PS2, and I won't contend that one.

 

[RavenFox]

Yeah, just like that. What is it with Sony fans and over inflating hype? Everything has to set a new standard, and even if Killzone DID turn out to be amazing looking, it's probably of the first game to do so in Sony's lineup.

Again, even if God of War 3 turns out to be amazing looking, every fucking game is amazing looking when Mr.Sony-Insider-in-the-know talks about it.

wtf ? Even if KZ turned out to be amazing looking? IT IS AMAZING LOOKING! All Sony first and second party games are amzing looking. Even the dismal Genji owns quite a few games still.

 

[MvmntInGrn]

Oh my where is that Jizz in my pants song? This thread needs it.
CANNOT wait.

EDIT: GOW2 was the PS2s highest point graphically. The point where I think anyone could have mistaken it for an xbox/gc game since it just looked too good for PS2. Even in HD it is very impressive and it managed to do it all and still support Progressive Scan.

 

[DihcarEM]

NG2 turned out better than DMC4, but God of War III is a first party game setting out to sell hardware, so I'm expecting a bit more from it.

Disagree, for me DMC4 came out better then NG2, but i fully expect GOW3 to blow both of them away graphics and storywise. Which isn't that hard to do, both of these games came out a long time before GOW3 comes out. If anything, i think comparing DMC5 with GOW3 would be more fair, their releasedate will be much closer i think.

 

[NameIess]

Yeah, just like that. What is it with Sony fans and over inflating hype? Everything has to set a new standard, and even if Killzone DID turn out to be amazing looking, it's probably of the first game to do so in Sony's lineup.

Again, even if God of War 3 turns out to be amazing looking, every fucking game is amazing looking when Mr.Sony-Insider-in-the-know talks about it.

Agreed...

They need to put a muzzle on some people, because it creates unrealistic expectations.
The whole 1080P native res at 60fps sounds like some bullshit & why even start that conversation and level of expectations...

I'm sure GOW III will look amazing, but I remember some "Sony insider" claiming that Heavenly Sword was on a visual level with FF Advent Children; now we all know that's a ridiculous claim.

 

[Keylime]

Actually what he said is, the game is going to look better then anything to date, resembling a painting and setting new graphical standards.

Visually amazing doesn't mean pushing more polygons. I did not mean to imply that.

 

[BeeDog]

Too strong a statement.

I don't think SotC did anything that people thought couldn't be done. If you put really nice looking big things on a screen, you're going to run at 5-10 fps, which is what that game did. The AI for the Colossi was nothing crazy, so it's not like the game was looking amazing, running smoothly and had complex algorithms being executed throughout.

The game's presentation was amazing, but lets not pretend that it did something that it didn't.

The God of War series is definitely a visual achievement on the PS2, and I won't contend that one.

I believe SoTC was the only PS2 game to have damn nice motion blur, which killed the framerate.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

We need to stop listening to this guy. He said that "uncharted 2 has snow and is like mgs" and suddenly his blog is a prophet.


PLEASE look at his other posts.

http://www.vgtilt.com/2008/12/mgs4-finally-going-to-xbox-360.html

Recent rumors are suggesting that MGS4 is finally coming over the biggestrival of Sony... the xbox 36. And this would be bad in a lot of cases, since Sony was pretty firm on the game being "EXCLUSIVE" not only would this make them look stupid, it'd also mean we could never, ever, ever, ever trust another PR rep again.

To me, knowing everything that I know about Sony's upcoming future now, it means little to none. MGS is an after thought to what Sony's console is about to give us.

http://www.vgtilt.com/2008/12/only-60-of-ps3s-spes-are-being-used-for.html

Only 60% of the PS3's SPE's are being used for Killzone 2

This should lay rest to a lot of those"Ps3 is under powered" rumors as Killzone 2 is easily set to be the best looking console game on the market soon. What does this say for the growth of the industry, though? Sure 60% of the Ps3's power is being used and the game looks great but has any system ever been fully tapped? Was the Ps2 ever pushed past 60% of it's available power? I'm not so sure that it was... are any of you?

http://www.vgtilt.com/2008/12/has-sony-turned-tide-in-japan.html

Ps3 has maintained a solid lead, easily eclipsing its minor set back for seven weeks back in the fall.

It looks like to me (resident Sony fanboy of the tilt) that Sony has once again solidified their next gen crown in Japanese soil. It also looks like Square-Enix is going to do about as much for Microsoft in Japan as Shit does for Chocolate icing on a cake -- Just my take.

http://www.vgtilt.com/2008/11/why-nxes-install-feature-fails.html

Wake up gamers... Installs are bad, remember? The media taught us that installs were bad because the Ps3 has them or is this different because it's on the xbox 360? The only system leading the charge in digital downloads and installs is the Ps3. They are the only system you can buy that allows a full game install on the hdd without the use of a disc... The same system that the media baked under the sun on a cross because they gave you the option to do so.

http://www.vgtilt.com/2008/11/kotaku-once-again-shows-their-stupidity.html

Now while it might seem like news on the exterior they couldn't resist taking a jab at Sony in the end with that absurd two way split "Good for those who don't like them and bad for those who do" As if that is even fuckin' applicable here you stupid Dick Twist. I hate Kotaku and this only furthers the hatred I have for them even more... They are trying to put it into gamers heads that Installs are now good and it's a shame for them to not include the "option" to do it. And why is this you ask? Because xbox 360 just got optional install features inside the NXE.

http://www.vgtilt.com/2008/11/gamesblow-returns.html

Games Blow and I crossed paths on NeoGaf back in January and I quickly didn't like the guy. He would come into a thread, disrupt it and talk about this and that and how he knew this and that and then he'd leave and people would follow this guys word like he was speakin' Gospel.

..."Games Blow" is the guy that apparently is talking about GoW and is a Sony sales marketing employee. And he's a GAF user.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Too strong a statement.

I don't think SotC did anything that people thought couldn't be done. If you put really nice looking big things on a screen, you're going to run at 5-10 fps, which is what that game did. The AI for the Colossi was nothing crazy, so it's not like the game was looking amazing, running smoothly and had complex algorithms being executed throughout.

The game's presentation was amazing, but lets not pretend that it did something that it didn't.

The God of War series is definitely a visual achievement on the PS2, and I won't contend that one.

i'll give u that, it is true, still it did some pseudo-hdr, some good fur stuff and had some good shaders for the ps2, pretty nice motion blur, it really tried to go a bit above it's own good
the ps2 really was stressing with that one, still imo it was quite the technical achievement

 

[MvmntInGrn]

Agreed...

They need to put a muzzle on some people, because it creates unrealistic expectations.
The whole 1080P native res at 60fps sounds like some bullshit & why even start that conversation and level of expectations...

I'm sure GOW III will look amazing, but I remember some "Sony insider" claiming that Heavenly Sword was on a visual level with FF Advent Children; now we all know that's a ridiculous claim.

Yes thats too much, maybe someone will pull that off in a disc release before this gen is over but not now.

720p/30fps is likely, if they could pull 60 off that would be godly.
As far as HS looking like AC, AC is CG and that just cannot be done with these machines. HS is still very pretty and the 4xAA sure does make it look very smooth, not to mention its character models were outstanding, their skin looked more real than AC IMO.

 

[BeeDog]

We need to stop listening to this guy. He said that "uncharted 2 has snow and is like mgs" and suddenly his blog is a prophet.


PLEASE look at his other posts.

*snip*

..."Games Blow" is the guy that apparently is talking about GoW and is a Sony sales marketing employee. And he's a GAF user.

:lol . But you have to admit it would be fun if what he says actually is true, especially after all the (so far deserved) hate the site has gotten.

 

[Dirtbag]

Visually amazing doesn't mean pushing more polygons. I did not mean to imply that.

???

Jaffe was quoted in saying GoW3 will set new graphical standards, looks like a painting (beyond even GearsofWar2 - his standard for graphical achievement), and become the best looking game on consoles.

I'm not following your polygon comment at all.

 

[norinrad21]

Aren't they running this franchise into the ground by releasing so many games?

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Yes thats too much, maybe someone will pull that off in a disc release before this gen is over but not now.

720p/30fps is likely, if they could pull 60 off that would be godly.
As far as HS looking like AC, AC is CG and that just cannot be done with these machines. HS is still very pretty and the 4xAA sure does make it look very smooth, not to mention its character models were outstanding their skin looked for real than AC IMO.

I would say "Mission Accomplished" if the NEXT-generation would run with smooth 720p and 30fps without dips and tearing, and I bow to any dev that accomplishes 720p/30fps without performance drops these days. Yup, pretty low standards right here, but what can you expect when you have a tearing and below 30 fps experience in almost every hd game.

Also yay list wars.

 

[BeeDog]

Aren't they running this franchise into the ground by releasing so many games?

Resident Evil 5
Halo 3
Ratchet & Clank
etc.

I don't see these franchises being ruined because the original games have gotten a couple of sequels.

 

[Issun23]

Too strong a statement.

I don't think SotC did anything that people thought couldn't be done. If you put really nice looking big things on a screen, you're going to run at 5-10 fps, which is what that game did. The AI for the Colossi was nothing crazy, so it's not like the game was looking amazing, running smoothly and had complex algorithms being executed throughout.

The game's presentation was amazing, but lets not pretend that it did something that it didn't.

The God of War series is definitely a visual achievement on the PS2, and I won't contend that one.

Tell me of any other game that allows you to interact with enemies like Shadow of the Colossus did. Tell me of any other game that has levels that move; the polygons your character is walking on deforming constantly. Also point me towards a game that presented such a seamless world, without any loading on PS2. You can also look for other games on PS2 that had self shadowing, or HDR. And motion blur. Oh and don't forget to find a game with better character animations.

 

[badcrumble]

Aren't they running this franchise into the ground by releasing so many games?

It's likely that they'll close out the story arc on this game and make it the end of the trilogy.

 

[theBishop]

Aren't they running this franchise into the ground by releasing so many games?

As long as they keep the level of quality up, I say No.

 

[CurlySaysX]

I hope the power of Cell allows the developers of GOD3 to have a behind the character view like in Warhawk. IMO.

 

[Dirtbag]

Tell me of any other game that allows you to interact with enemies like Shadow of the Colossus did. Tell me of any other game that has levels that move; the polygons your character is walking on deforming constantly. Also point me towards a game that presented such a seamless world, without any loading on PS2. You can also look for other games on PS2 that had self shadowing, or HDR. And motion blur. Oh and don't forget to find a game with better character animations.

I agree that SotC was something of a technical achievement on the PS2, but considering it ran at sub 30fps (probably somewhere around 15 with dips even lower) indicates it was even beyond the ps2 capabilites. That to me puts God of War 2 well ahead of it in my eyes.

I hope the power of Cell allows the developers of GOD3 to have a behind the character view like in Warhawk. IMO.

How would that even benefit the God of War gameplay style?

 

[MvmntInGrn]

Tell me of any other game that allows you to interact with enemies like Shadow of the Colossus did. Tell me of any other game that has levels that move; the polygons your character is walking on deforming constantly. Also point me towards a game that presented such a seamless world, without any loading on PS2. You can also look for other games on PS2 that had self shadowing, or HDR. And motion blur. Oh and don't forget to find a game with better character animations.

SotC is like Killzone, they were too much for the PS2. What makes GOW2 so amazing was they didn't feel hindered by the hardware while delivering more than anyone expected for the console.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

:lol . But you have to admit it would be fun if what he says actually is true, especially after all the (so far deserved) hate the site has gotten.

So who is he? It'd be funny if his "source" turned out to be some dude banned from GAF for bullshit.


BUT OTHER VGTILT BREAKING NEWS STORIES

Gametraitors go above and beyond the call of their fanboy duty

And why do you do that? Cause the Pussy Squirt who wrote that blog entry is the video editor of the site. ... He, for all we know, is a paid Microsoft shill.

Now that you know the editor is a blatant bias Twat Rash... you can't. How can you put GT's scores in with an overall % at a meta site? You can't. Gametrailers with 1 blog post from a guy who simply edits videos has been brought down to Gamespots level in just 1 night.

Shane Satterfield should fire this editor and then give a response.

Xbox 360's NXE Avatars are pretty homoerotic

Why you ask? Cause they're faggot. Simple as that... if you're a guy, over 21 and socially active, these avatars are an embarrassment. Remember the Yaho avatars? Remember how you could dress them up? Well, same difference... only now instead of only the person you're e-mailing seeing them, the entire xbox 360 community does.

The facts are the facts.. these are too cute to appeal to such an established "hardcore" crowd. Sorry, Microsoft... these things are absurd. They might fly with women "who don't even game on the average" and prepubescent tweens. But the shit don't fly with me and my crew.

Avatars are queer.... I don't care how you put it. A 3-d, dress me up, avatar is nothing short of Barbie playhouse for the xbox 360 community.

Microsofts sales numbers are awesome; before they weren't

Recently Microsoft has been on a bender about how they've sold 25 million xbox 360's in 3 years time... That in itself isn't that great, but since the sun is shining on their cats ass right now let's pretend it is. I mean, would you take cake from a retard? No... Same difference here.

GTA4 DLCS FOR XBOX 360: It's real, it's coming but...

What happens if --
("WE DON'T CARE!" pic)

Reality Check For The Escapist

Why you ask? Well, the guy who gave the review sounds like he just got out of a 3 hour rectal examination and that he just took a bottle of downers, but on top of that he said that Resistance 2 doesn't offer anything new. We've been there and done that.

All running 60 players, mind you. Yeah, I'd say that's just a bit different than anything we're use to on a console you DICK SKIN! So, while they're telling you not to buy the game... I'm asking you not to visit their site.

Left4Dead review-- Better off being Left for die

The scenario based levels are very short... 20 to 25 min a pop and there are only 4 of them. This means the "story mode" can be beat in 2 hours or less.

Banjo Nuts & Bolts... or just Nuts cause it sucks.

*no matter what you do or what kind of tv or cables you've got... your game won't even look as good as that shitty picture... Just a heads up*

Gears of War 2, reviewed...If cheese is your thang you're in Rome.

(can't pick just one quote. He starts out with an Uncharted-best-game-evar comparison and how great Nathan Drake is)

please stop giving this site hits

 

[karasu]

Get's really annoying; Heavenly Sword (Goddess of War, lol), MGS4, LBP, KZ2 (why? the first one sucked), Motorstorm, Uncharted, Ratchet, GT5 (even prologue got hyped to no end) and GoW3. The FFXIII hype died down after the X360 announcement. Even Home is a victim of the SDF.

I know Nintendo and Microsoft do this, but it is not as bad as the PS3 games hype. Sure, Zelda, Smash, Halo and Gears get announced pretty early, but after their releases that is it. For PS3 it has been one hyped game after the other, and the games take years to release after the announcement.

Basically,we shouldn't say good things about Ps3 exclusives. It's okay to rave about Galaxy, Mass Effect, Bioshock, GeoW, and Halo;but if you mention a ps3 exclusive you've just gone too far.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

So who is he? It'd be funny if his "source" turned out to be some dude banned from GAF for bullshit.

Apparently it's a joke site.

I am a semi successful screenwriter. I am the lead guitarist in a local band here in Kansas City and I am also an aspiring stand up comedian. Many people who come here will no doubt know me as the most hated forum member of all time over at N4g. This blog is actually inspired by many of the regular members over there. I look to spend some quality time working on my creative writing and communication skills through this outlet and also inform and give you all a few laughs while I'm at it.

Basically,we shouldn't say good things about Ps3 exclusives. It's okay to rave about Galaxy, Mass Effect, Bioshock, GeoW, and Halo;but if you mention a ps3 exclusive you've just gone too far.

Nobody is saying this. But the "wait for" meme isn't just accidentally tied to ps3 sales and games, for example.

 

[Hy_]

Sounds like wild speculation/lies/hopes backed up by common sense.

 

[manueldelalas]

Basically,we shouldn't say good things about Ps3 exclusives. It's okay to rave about Galaxy, Mass Effect, Bioshock, GeoW, and Halo;but if you mention a ps3 exclusive you've just gone too far.

This is what happens when you want to take me out of context.

It is not bad to hype games, but when EVERY single exclusive game on a console get the hype treatment for 2 YEARS (or more which I suspect it is the case of GoW III) it gets annoying. Just that.

 

[davygee]

In my opinion, GOW3 will be 720p and 30fps, but in addition to this, it will utilize similar technical features of K2.

It's common knowledge that Guerilla Games have talked with Santa Monica and ND and their knowledge has been combined to create the K2 we see today and will see in Feb.

The best thing for GOW3 would be to utilize a similar engine to Guerilla's with all the nice lighting, shadows, physics and effects, god even the teaser trailer looks like it.

See below:

Okay, it's cleaner looking, but looks similar!

 

[Keylime]

Tell me of any other game that allows you to interact with enemies like Shadow of the Colossus did. Tell me of any other game that has levels that move; the polygons your character is walking on deforming constantly. Also point me towards a game that presented such a seamless world, without any loading on PS2. You can also look for other games on PS2 that had self shadowing, or HDR. And motion blur. Oh and don't forget to find a game with better character animations.

The game ran at horrible framerates. It did all of those things, but the frame rates were atrocious.

 

[Guled]

Its GOW OF WAR 3, how can they mess it up. Only 6 more days until the VGA

 

[Pojo]

This kind of hype is unhealthy and can only lead to disappointment upon seeing the first jaggie.

I think Killzone is great and all, but it's incredibly overrated. I think technically there's only so much these consoles can handle, it's all about the artistry. And I didn't much like the choices they made in GoW 1 and 2, it looked very bland.

If it makes the bosses twice as big, though, it will have accomplished something. I'm buying regardless.

 

[Keylime]

???

Jaffe was quoted in saying GoW3 will set new graphical standards, looks like a painting (beyond even GearsofWar2 - his standard for graphical achievement), and become the best looking game on consoles.

I'm not following your polygon comment at all.

"Like a painting come to life" does not imply that the game is going to be pushing a huge poly count. Maybe that means it's cell shading on top of a relatively higher poly model or something to that degree.

I'm just saying that Jaffe's comment doesn't imply that the improvement in visuals are technical versus artistic.

 

[badcrumble]

This is what happens when you want to take me out of context.

It is not bad to hype games, but when EVERY single exclusive game on a console get the hype treatment for 2 YEARS (or more which I suspect it is the case of GoW III) it gets annoying. Just that.

GOD why won't Sony fans just figure out that they've LOST and AREN'T ALLOWED TO BE HAPPY OR EXCITED ABOUT A SEQUEL TO ONE OF LAST GEN'S BEST GAMES

Seriously, a better solution might be for you not to read God of War 3 threads if people getting excited about it is so upsetting to you.

 

[UntoldDreams]

Yeah, just like that. What is it with Sony fans and over inflating hype? Everything has to set a new standard, and even if Killzone DID turn out to be amazing looking, it's probably of the first game to do so in Sony's lineup.

Again, even if God of War 3 turns out to be amazing looking, every fucking game is amazing looking when Mr.Sony-Insider-in-the-know talks about it.

(Killzone does look amazing and so does Motorstorm1/2)
Saying all Sony fans inflate hype is like saying all XBox fans want Mountain Dew.

Its a sweeping generalization which is inaccurate at best. There isn't a subrace of humanity like gnomes or something which you can claim are Sony fans or XBox fans.

There's people and that's it. This "us versus them" mentality really has to go away.

 

[Kaako]

This kind of hype is unhealthy and can only lead to disappointment upon seeing the first jaggie.

I think Killzone is great and all, but it's incredibly overrated. I think technically there's only so much these consoles can handle, it's all about the artistry. And I didn't much like the choices they made in GoW 1 and 2, it looked very bland.

If it makes the bosses twice as big, though, it will have accomplished something. I'm buying regardless.

The wait for this game is definitely not healthy...there's too much anticipation.
Btw, are you talking about the first KZ or the second one?

 

[f@luS]

Well, can't wait to see it this Sunday. Ive already prepared everything to destroy it

fixed

 

[Firewire]

Yeah, just like that. What is it with Sony fans and over inflating hype? Everything has to set a new standard, and even if Killzone DID turn out to be amazing looking, it's probably of the first game to do so in Sony's lineup.

Again, even if God of War 3 turns out to be amazing looking, every fucking game is amazing looking when Mr.Sony-Insider-in-the-know talks about it.

wha?

First game in their lineup? Stop with this bullshit of not giving Sony titles the credit they deserve. Uncharted, GT5P and Ratchet are top notch visual games just like K2.

And this is a gaming forum, if you don't want to here about games from all the consoles just go over to teamxbox or something. I'm sure you won't see many K2 or GOW pics there.