But think of the satisfaction you feel when opening up the inventory and seeing that you have every piece of armor in the game.
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But think of the satisfaction you feel when opening up the inventory and seeing that you have every piece of armor in the game.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Yes it is. Hope you like farming dragon parts tho.
Yes it is.
It is, but the materials to upgrade it is a nightmare to get.
Agreed...Skyward Sword's story made me want to punch someone. :S
Kill...Me... o___o
Dang it...I just spent so much time getting the Dark Link stuff. ;___;
Human Trashcan
Banned
Man I really dislike that Calamity Ganon design a lot. Nothing about it says "Ganon" besides the red hair. It looks more like a random boss in DOOM than the Demon King.
Astral Dog
Member
I seriously doubt Demise ever reincarnated as Vaati,or Bellum,or Majora etc.
Its just meant to be Ganondorf.at least for now
Also ruined Minish cap a bit for me.
Astral Dog
Member
No,because Ganondorf didn't kill them in Ocarina he never had the chance.
This old man white sage =princess Ruto theory needs to die already
I swear, if Nintendo ever touches Majora's Mask with this nonsense I'm going to freak out. As far as I'm concerned, Demise isn't real and Ganondorf is just a dude who was so powerful that he was deemed worthy of the Triforce of Power. Simple and badass, and clearly the original intention behind the character.
Bellum seems like a random monster so I doubt it has anything to do with the cure of Demise. Malladus on the other hand definitely seems like he might. Just look at him. They could have called him Toon Ganon and no one would have batted an eye.
The Demise stuff isn't applicable to Majora since it wanted nothing to do with Zelda.
The Demise stuff isn't applicable to Majora since it wanted nothing to do with Zelda.
ffejeromdiks
Banned
It took me a grand total of 20 minutes to gather the parts needed to buy it, it's totally worth it.
Kinda wish it was more expensive to be honest, I bought all of Kilton's wares with just two trips to the gerudo desert and a handful of modulgas slain.
Does anyone have any guesses on what the DLC might entail? I was surprised to see how they were able to make Zelda such a heroine while also hitting my pet peeve of only showing her in cutscenes... It's like...I was proud of Nintendo and then shaking my head at the same time.
I hope the DLC makes more use of Riju, Teba, Sibon and Yo...Goron guy. I feel they were under-utilized and of course, I'd love to see Princess Zelda tied more closely to the actual gameplay and not just being there for expositional flashbacks...
I think fans often argue about how literal Demise's hatred is.
I personally try to see it as extremely not literal so that Ganondorf's agency isn't shattered by some random generic villain that I don't care about.
I feel like Ganondorf, Malladus, Bellum, Majora, Vaati and others are all very loosely tied to Demise hating Link and Zelda.
I hope the DLC makes more use of Riju, Teba, Sibon and Yo...Goron guy. I feel they were under-utilized and of course, I'd love to see Princess Zelda tied more closely to the actual gameplay and not just being there for expositional flashbacks...
I think fans often argue about how literal Demise's hatred is.
I personally try to see it as extremely not literal so that Ganondorf's agency isn't shattered by some random generic villain that I don't care about.
I feel like Ganondorf, Malladus, Bellum, Majora, Vaati and others are all very loosely tied to Demise hating Link and Zelda.
Will the Thrill
Banned
Isn't Majora's Mask in a different world/alternate universe? I don't remember the specifics but don't you get there through like portals and stuff. Or is it just a far (Super far) away land?
I still love Majora's Mask so much, though BOTW is the better game easily and the best overall game in the entire series to me. But I still think the story and world in Majora's Mask is something special
That's one of thw things I dislike most about the story (Well that and how poorly Ganon was used). I feel like the dungeon gimmick should have been to have multiple playable characters (Like the Earth and Wind Temples from WW). It would have been really cool to see them take on the role of champion. The horse call button could have been used to switch so there would be no gameplay interruptions like the command melody in WW.
Astral Dog
Member
Just a shitty anime plot with obvious retcons.you don't miss much although Zelda gets a very important role there as opposed to TP wich makes it a slight improvment
Yeah. In Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker, you interact with these types of characters twice. The first time you help them and then later in the plot they help you back.
BotW was so busy being non-linear and not wanting to mess anything up by letting anything be inaccessible that they missed this big time. I wish that after the Calamity Ganon fight Ganon would fly out and started corrupting newer, emptier areas and then the Gerudo, Zora, Rito, and Goron guys held the key to finishing Ganon off completely with like...a final final dungeon or something.
Astral Dog
Member
Exactly,the story might be dissapointing (though my worst complain is the VA and the finale/final boss by far). But the world of Hyrule in BoTW is incredibly more fleshed out than anything below the clouds in Skyward Sword. or at parts Twilight Princess There is no comparison.
The Hyrule of BoTW is a decadent,colorful,charming post apocalyptic landscape and a solid foundation for things to come
I feel like I'm in the minority who like it.
The backstory of the laboratory underneath Hyrule Castle, the Yiga Clan, the Shiekah tech... it makes sense to me that after Zelda II, some evil Yiga or Shiekah scientists messed with Ganondorf's remains in an attempt to resurrect him, which is why elements of his design have his Gerudo mane along with Guardian components.
Is this backstory about the laboratory ingame? Only found Zelda's dairy in the castle. And i also love Ganons design in this game hopefully hard mode makes all the dungeon bosses still spawn after completing them and makes him a bit harder and faster.
After 3 games of human Ganondorf it was fresh having a mindless Ganon again.
Lights and Waves
Member
That's fine and dandy but doesn't excuse the fact that they dropped the ball in the end. It's like one day they ran out of money and were like "oh shit, wrap it up."
Astral Dog
Member
Malladus is interesting because i thought he got that form by fusing with Cole,so things like his horns and the red hair would be Cole but the boar shape and light blue color are Malladus.not that it matters much,but we will never know if he has something to do with Demise
Crimsonlink
Member
The Divine beasts can literally be cleared in 10mins roughly which is kinda sad. Its worse if you Revali's dungeon first for the OP jump.
Kinda lame that the enemies just changed colors and upgraded weapons. Why not have them use different tactics and weapons instead of +10 attack to their original weapons.
Kinda lame that the enemies just changed colors and upgraded weapons. Why not have them use different tactics and weapons instead of +10 attack to their original weapons.
Yeah, I know. I just don't see the reason why she had to exist, or why it's explicitly linked to Zelda's power. When I felt like the way Link, Zelda and Ganon received power is the Tri-Force splitting towards the three of them due to them already being capable or having potential to be capable was a good enough explanation. Zelda being a descendant of a goddess created by three goddesses, Link as the creator and wielder of the Master Sword, and Ganondorf's villainy due Demise's hatred and will just convolutes the characters and dilutes their importance IMO.
On another note: When the 2nd phase of Ganon happened and was too easy, and having it being similar tot he quests where you enter divine beasts, I found myself thinking that it would have been dope if the giant pig demon was the last dungeon, with Ganondorf as the final boss inside.
Errr, not really on this case even if there IS Zelda's story i like better (Link's Awakening and Majora's Mask for exemple). I know that everyone hate when a new lore downplay something they loved and SS really just do that.
There is deity above the three goddess so "meh"
Zelda power is now Hylia power so "meh"
Ganondorf is only a vessel for Demise so "meh".
I can understand the logic, those new guys we don't know taking the place of those guys we loved so it's bad somehow... But i like it... Having Ganondorf again and again was ridiculous anyway, it was cool in Wind Waker and outstep its welcome with Twilight Princess. By that whole reincarnation thing, they can basically do anything they want by just saying the words "Demise reincarnated in something else totally different".
What i dislike is retcon personally, i don't care if what we thought was the only things in the lore is now a part of a larger lore instead... Seems natural and a normal occurance of a serie this long which continue to exists.
I just found out I couldn't upgrade it. I'm gonna just live with the terrible stats as he's one of my all time fav characters.
I took on the final boss for the first time just now with it actually XD
So good!
Human Trashcan
Banned
Okay so why is it good? Demise is a non-character Akuma ripoff who appears at the very end to announce that he will reincarnate for all eternity because he's angry. What is enriching about that, as opposed to the power of The Legend of Zelda being a myth retold again and again for new generations, with variations? It's just fan-fiction lore wank. "Ganon reappears again because Demise sez so", box checked, we now have a Logical Reason for Ganon to keep reappearing because apparently we needed that, despite the fact that this reason is not inherently interesting or enriching at all. I don't give a fuck about Demise. Skyward Sword is all tell and no show. If you're gonna build up a villain, BUILD UP A VILLAIN.
Zelda being a mortal incarnation of Hylia is maybe even dumber. We had a reason for Link, Zelda and Ganon to be important, and that's because they're inheritors of the Triforce. Okay so now Ganon is Demise, Zelda is Hylia, but Link is just a schmuck with courage, shouldn't he then also be some kind of God to be worthy of the Triforce, since Ganon and Zelda both got their Totally Awesome Lore-Filled Backstories? And if not, why not?
I'm really glad BOTW completely resisted the temptation to insert more meta-lore, if nothing else.
In conclusion, fuck Skyward Sword
MisterGrey3000
Member
Calamity Ganon was just lame.
Just a big ugly monster that exists solely to be a big ugly monster you fight at the end of the game.
No personality, no goals, no conflict, no sign of nuance..no nothing.
Honestly Ganon didn't even need to be in this game; nothing that makes him interesting or cool even exist in this game.
I feel like the plot and story would have been more interesting if it was about one of the guardians becoming self-aware and taking over Hyrule, leaving it in the desolate state we see it in.
Link and Zelda vs medieval HAL 9000 and his spider terminators would have been pretty dope.
And imagine for just a minute if medieval HAL 9000 and his spider terminators weren't particularly "evil", they just didn't want to fight the Hylians' battles anymore and rebelled to be free.
It would have mirrored a lot of Zelda's own feelings about her predetermined role in inheriting a kingdom and fighting evil.
btw the Demise salt on the last page (and this one) is kind of hilarious.
Get bent haters. lol (I've come to feel like this wasn't necessary, different strokes for different folks is what I should have said. Sorry guys.)
For all intents and purpose he's the Zelda universe's devil, the Angra Mainyu to the goddesses' Ahura Mazda.
All the malice, hatred, and evil in the world essentially originates from him but isn't exactly him being reincarnated or something like that.
It's a pretty basic and simple concept in fantasy mythology, and I think it's cool to have an opposing supernatural force in the series that continues to challenge LoZ's various benevolent supernatural beings despite not entirely existing anymore.
Just a big ugly monster that exists solely to be a big ugly monster you fight at the end of the game.
No personality, no goals, no conflict, no sign of nuance..no nothing.
Honestly Ganon didn't even need to be in this game; nothing that makes him interesting or cool even exist in this game.
I feel like the plot and story would have been more interesting if it was about one of the guardians becoming self-aware and taking over Hyrule, leaving it in the desolate state we see it in.
Link and Zelda vs medieval HAL 9000 and his spider terminators would have been pretty dope.
And imagine for just a minute if medieval HAL 9000 and his spider terminators weren't particularly "evil", they just didn't want to fight the Hylians' battles anymore and rebelled to be free.
It would have mirrored a lot of Zelda's own feelings about her predetermined role in inheriting a kingdom and fighting evil.
btw the Demise salt on the last page (and this one) is kind of hilarious.
This is how I've always interpreted Demise and his curse.
For all intents and purpose he's the Zelda universe's devil, the Angra Mainyu to the goddesses' Ahura Mazda.
All the malice, hatred, and evil in the world essentially originates from him but isn't exactly him being reincarnated or something like that.
It's a pretty basic and simple concept in fantasy mythology, and I think it's cool to have an opposing supernatural force in the series that continues to challenge LoZ's various benevolent supernatural beings despite not entirely existing anymore.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
so I just finished the game. Final fight was super fun, and the set piece post battle was also pretty awesome.
Still disappointed by the lack of storytelling, I was really hoping for more. Whats there at least feels complete. Though if I were to write a full review of this game, it would read a lot like Jim Sterling's. Minus complaints about the durability as it didnt bother me, but add in complaints about the dungeons. Shrines were often too short to be interesting, or would slap you with crappy gyro puzzles or combat trials, and the divine beasts while awesome, were way too short. I just did the lizard before finishing the game just now, and completely blind it only took me 20 minutes...
I am really impressed by the set pieces in this game though. Dark beast ganon and the entrances to the camel and elephant were super fun and well designed. Proper playable cinematic set pieces.
Still, if I were to score the game I'd toss it a 7 like Jim did, though if the performance wasnt so bad I'd bump it up to a 7.5
I wrote a longer overview of my thoughts elsewhere, figure I'll edit them in here for posterity
Still disappointed by the lack of storytelling, I was really hoping for more. Whats there at least feels complete. Though if I were to write a full review of this game, it would read a lot like Jim Sterling's. Minus complaints about the durability as it didnt bother me, but add in complaints about the dungeons. Shrines were often too short to be interesting, or would slap you with crappy gyro puzzles or combat trials, and the divine beasts while awesome, were way too short. I just did the lizard before finishing the game just now, and completely blind it only took me 20 minutes...
I am really impressed by the set pieces in this game though. Dark beast ganon and the entrances to the camel and elephant were super fun and well designed. Proper playable cinematic set pieces.
Still, if I were to score the game I'd toss it a 7 like Jim did, though if the performance wasnt so bad I'd bump it up to a 7.5
I wrote a longer overview of my thoughts elsewhere, figure I'll edit them in here for posterity
Nah, it's actually terrible. lol
Astral Dog
Member
Demise is worse than Calamity Ganon imo.
At least Ganon had a reason to appear, but i like your idea and yeah pretty lame how, before the three weilders of the Trifoce were relative nobodies (Ganondorf was just a petty thief that stoled the power of the Gods for himself) that had special qualities now they are reincarnatios of Gods and Champions (Link in SS is indeed a reincarnation of a previous Hero chosen by Hylia to protect her )
Though a series that long running had to explain something about Link and Zelda eventually,Ganondorf was fine as he was.
Another thing is that you cannot Rehash Ganondorf motivations again and again,it was pretty special on WW and Ocarina but he is drying up.its clear the Gerudo don't give a shit about him except for a few extremists
I have already seen that !
Demise wasn't really necessary because Ganondorf's story ended in 2 of the 3 timelines, they didn't need to add this reincarnating shit to explain away something that was never really a problem, because Ganondorf isn't returning anyway, you can just have new evil characters acquiring the Triforce or just causing trouble without needing Demise's malice or whatever, it doesn't add anything.
I was ok with the Hylia stuff in SS though.
I was ok with the Hylia stuff in SS though.
Ganon was fine before Ganondorf was introduced as anything else than a pig-demon.
DrForester
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So, is there any way to play the game with the Bow of Light?
Don't suppose I can go back, do the fight and leave when I get it?
Don't suppose I can go back, do the fight and leave when I get it?
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I would love this but don't think that's gonna happen.
It's a really interesting and fun concept so by law it won't happen with Nintendo XD
Pretty sure you can teleport back to it.
Agreed...Skyward Sword's story made me want to punch someone. :S
Kill...Me... o___o
Dang it...I just spent so much time getting the Dark Link stuff. ;___;
Fuck. He's so fucked up. But you can clearly see it's Ganondorf and not some pig demon, which makes it worse. It kinda looks like he's halfway into a transformation into Dark Beast Ganon and fused with tech.
Any shrine can be teleported back to
DrForester
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Fused with the tech at least makes his corruption of all the guardians and beasts make more sense than just "LOL, MAGICK HACKING BEAMS!"
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