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I was doing the same. I enjoy it more than WO3 but it feels like it has less long-term appeal. Still, VERY fun to play and very fun characters. I prefer the SW series to DW and WO.
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Samurai Warriors 4 |OT| Raging through Japanese History at Hyper Speed
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I was doing the same. I enjoy it more than WO3 but it feels like it has less long-term appeal. Still, VERY fun to play and very fun characters. I prefer the SW series to DW and WO.
Yea, I'm more in agreement with this list as a longtime fan as well.
-Loot is an issue given how much babysitting it is to keep melting down garbage drops and/or slotting in gems I already feel is in pretty large abundance. Not really certain that the Orochi 3/DW8 fusing is a proper fix given how abuseable THAT stuff is, not to mention completely negating any progression climb. It is nice to continue on harder difficulties with lvl 1 heroes with a few minutes of OP weapon fusing, but progression through the tiers is kind of missed. Not a big deal and I'd prefer -any- change over what Hyrule and Sam 4 adopts for its weapon system. They handled that stuff way better in the later PS2 games.
-Bodyguards were mostly pointless in the Sam games. Much prefer the hero switch now. There are sumo warriors, ninja's, monks, etc... in SW4 as enemies as I was unclear what the original list was asking here.
-I kind of do miss the character intro's and outro's as well. It did emphasize each major encounter and hero duel providing a bit more personality flourishes than the talking heads do between levels. I did mostly start skipping them all the time, but they played a nice role.
Most everything else I agree with.
Largest criticism of all though is that the level layouts and progression is just lacking. Gorgeous environments, but objectives have not yet provided any meaningful dynamic change in the battle flow. SW1/2 handled this far better, balancing the need to improve army morale and complete objectives simultaneously. It just no longer exists not just in this game, but in most of the franchise. A real shame.
Found this on gamefaqs, it's what I've been using.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aCzTfxPqsMYPx6l6j4yEpRNRgwJ4FRJ8MzYX8sXrFAc/edit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aCzTfxPqsMYPx6l6j4yEpRNRgwJ4FRJ8MzYX8sXrFAc/edit
Nice, and lol there are like a dozen members sitting idle with the doc open.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
A bit deeper and more "strategic", whereas Warriors Orochi is basically "kill everyone!" Plus you get a better feel for the characters as they aren't as pigeonholed like in Orochi. If you like the cast of Orochi, but want to get to know them a bit better, go here.
Like I played Orochi first, and went to DW8, and found the latter far more fulfill and gave me a better appreciation for characters who, in Orochi 8, I'd touch like once and never again.
ShogunDarius
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Anyone managed to level up Nobuyuki Sanada's special skill?
dakkumauji
Member
Just randomly spam it. It doesn't cost anything so I did it whenever I had the chance.
Still better than the throwing specials.
ShogunDarius
Member
I just got it to level 2, though I'm not sure how his ability improves with a level up though, it switches faster?
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Nobuyuki's Skill seems a bit broken...
I mean it's really easy to fill the Musou Bar compared to the Rage Bar, so you can just fill it, switch, and then have a full Rage Meter and easily get Musou back up, rinse and repeat.
I mean it's really easy to fill the Musou Bar compared to the Rage Bar, so you can just fill it, switch, and then have a full Rage Meter and easily get Musou back up, rinse and repeat.
I wish I had realized sooner how easy it is to break characters for story mode in chronicle mode... Exp scroll + Stimulus weapon = permanent full buffs, which also means almost permanent rage mode.
I'm getting lv1 characters to 30 within a couple stages.
The only skills worth a damn are Stimulus + Item Extend. No other skills come remotely close to that in power. Chaining Stimulus is the strongest is just absurd powerful. The best is chars with great range and speed hypers, with move speed / attack speed buff you can move as fast as the best horse while AoE trash the entire time and maintain a combo indefinitely.
dakkumauji
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Kinda sucks that Koei Tecmo didn't bother updating the special attacks for some characters. I mean it's great there are some changes and new attacks for pretty much everyone in their charges but some of the specials are still terrible.
Mostly Magoichi's and Masamune's terrible range shooting ones and all those throw an enemy ones.
The counter ones isn't bad since it does leave the enemy in a hit stun and you can do a killing blow on them.
Lee Chaolan
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Kojiro's musou with the proper equips is just silly good.
robotzombie
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you spelled "Everyone's" wrong
Musou Nobunaga is much better than Basara Nobunaga. I also think Basara Tokugawa is bland as fuck.
I might be extremely biased, but basara characters look
(and play)
Shouta
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Everyone might possibly be a toss up except Tadakatsu and Akechi Mitsuhide. I hate both of those a lot. Oh, I guess Magoichi too.
Probably are biased. =p
I've never been a fan of Basara's designs for chars. They go into crazy land for a lot of them really. WAY crazy. Playstyles are a bit better but design, I'll take Musou any day.
Well, play is a given. Always. And I mostly agree with looks, but there's a few characters that I think look better done by Koei. Like I like that Tokugawa is this super important historical figure, but he's still a little short fat dude with a Mega Man buster cannon instead of generic bishonen 58345.
Mitsuhide Basara is like my favorite design after Hisahide. Dat sword. And he controls amazingly. A lot of more modern musou characters now are more overdesigned than Basara's. They've gotten ridiculous over the past few iterations. Like wtf at Hanzo's design in this one.
Shouta
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Basara Mitsuhide gets frothing hate from me. Turning him into a scythe wielding psycho angers me so bad. Granted, his actual reasons for betraying Oda isn't known but going psycho with the guy is grawr.
A lot of the new chars in Musou are getting out there with the designs though, like Dynasty did as well. But It's not too bad still aside from some weird ones like Hanzo in this. A lot of the slight redesigns are great. Oichi losing the Kendama in this, getting rings, and getting a real adult look was great, for example. Ujiyasu Hojo's is great too.
Lee Chaolan
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I've always loved the Musou gameplay and haven't played Basara...pretty much ever.
Maybe I'll have to check it out after to beat the hell out of this game.
Maybe I'll have to check it out after to beat the hell out of this game.
dakkumauji
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Basara Iyeasu > Koei Iyeasu
The only thing Koei Iyeasu has over Basara Iyeasu is that he has an actual army instead of just talking tohimself his giant robot.
The only thing Koei Iyeasu has over Basara Iyeasu is that he has an actual army instead of just talking to
I prefer the uniqueness of Sengoku Basara, I can tell musou characters apart but they usually look and feel pretty bland to me.
I like a lot of the awakened forms in Strikeforce because they were more ridiculous.
RIP
Lee Chaolan
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lol that just sounds hilarious. but does he Endure as well?
robotzombie
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I feel like I sent this OT down a bad road, haha
Sorry, my mind blanked. Mitsunari is who I meant. Misunari is one of my favorites.
Basara has great gameplay, it gets better and better every game. I usually post an Utage combo video in these types of responses, but I'll post a Sengoku Basara 4 video this time.
Sengoku Basara is always a good road to go down.
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
So if you only had time to play 1 of either Warriors Orochi 3 or Samurai Warriors 4, which would you choose and why? The ratings seem to be about even for both games but Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate sounds like a more "complete" package while SW4 is better on a technical level. Its a tough choice. I really want to play as the Ninja Gaiden characters but I still like SW cast.
Help me decide GAF!
Help me decide GAF!
dakkumauji
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Better than him still being a kidnapped kid in the first two games. It was pretty nice that Capcom bother growing him up.
Of course, they still need more work in actually developing his side. Mitsunari's side is more developed in story and characters and they are the losing side too.
Lee Chaolan
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It's amazing how similar both games appear, although SW4 looks far more refined than that video (of course, SW4 was made after) Also had to mute the awful music in that vid.
Although, I may be far too biased after playing SW (and WO) games exclusively since SW2 to like SB anywhere near as much. That, and just looking at the character designs, I really don't like them at all. Grown far too accustomed to the SW designs.
I'm still gutted it didn't get translated. I put so many hours into Sengoku Basara 3.
I am rather enjoying Samurai Warriors 4 at the moment, but it doesn't scratch the same itch.
I think it's kinda funny that the icons for the story mode selections mostly make the central historical figure the most prominent one, like how the Legend of the Oda has Nobunaga looming over Mitsuhide and Hisahide, the Legend of the Takeda has Shingen front and center in front of the Sanada brothers, the Kyushu and Chugoku have the two main clan members, et cetera.
Then you get to the Legend of a Land United and the icon is of Hideyoshi and Ieyasu lined up behind Mitsunari. The dudes who actually united the land get to play second fiddle to the jobber.
Fan Boy's got some serious fanboys at Omega Force, I reckon.
Then you get to the Legend of a Land United and the icon is of Hideyoshi and Ieyasu lined up behind Mitsunari. The dudes who actually united the land get to play second fiddle to the jobber.
Fan Boy's got some serious fanboys at Omega Force, I reckon.
dakkumauji
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Basara Mitsunari and Koei Mitsunari are crazy popular with the fangirls.
You would have thought Mitsunari united Japan not poor forgotten Ieyasu.
Really can't stand most of the Basara designs, especially hoodie Ieyasu. Not too crazy on that game either, but I much prefer the battlefield consideration of Musou to racking up massive combos. I've only played a bit of Basara 3, though I got kind of tired of it fast and am unsure how the experience evolved from what we got. The intro to Basara 3 has one of the most lavish and ridiculous CG videos in gaming though, and I dig fem-Magiochi.
FallingEdge
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Is there a specific order I should go for in story mode?
So this post made me a little curious about this so I went to the Koei wikia and, uh...
He's the single most popular Samurai Warriors character there is, apparently.
More importantly though, he's #2 as a boinkin' buddy but only #3 as a co-op partner for playing Samurai Warriors. So he's popular but everybody's all like "Yeah, he's super bishie but I suspect he sucks at video games."
This is fuckin' nanners. I dunno what to believe anymore. Mitsunari is the most popular character and Yukimura is on every game's cover. This entire franchise is, like, hagiography for dudes who lost.
Lee Chaolan
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Not really, but I did. Takeda, Kanto (to unlock Uesugi) then Uesugi, Oda, Tokugawa then the others.
Definitely do Takeda first at least.
dakkumauji
Member
Going back to Ieyasu, god he still sucks in this game.
Slow (even with hyper attacks), being partly ranged does him no good if either his attacks knocks enemies too far away or his attacks are way too narrow to be any good.
Give me Basara Ieyasu any day. :E
Slow (even with hyper attacks), being partly ranged does him no good if either his attacks knocks enemies too far away or his attacks are way too narrow to be any good.
Give me Basara Ieyasu any day. :E
CommandThrower
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The Uesugi campaign needs to be unlocked?? Damn, they're my favorite faction. Was hoping to start off the campaign with them.
Oh well, I'll do it with Nemesis first then Kanto.
dakkumauji
Member
Like who?
I mean, they are based off mostly actual generals from the Sengoku period and those have been heavily characterized with their own traits at this point. Like Kanetsugu's giant kanji of love on his helmet.
Most Yukimuras you see will be hot blooded and all in red and most Yoshihiro's will be old men. Ninjas will look like ninjas and Nobunaga will look like a demon king.
Like who?
I mean, they are based off mostly actual generals from the Sengoku period and those have been heavily characterized with their own traits at this point. Like Kanetsugu's giant kanji of love on his helmet.
Most Yukimuras you see will be hot blooded and all in red and most Yoshihiro's will be old men. Ninjas will look like ninjas and Nobunaga will look like a demon king.
Red Yukimura with same armor and weapon motifs, Blue Date with same helmet eyepatch thing. They seems way to close. Look how wildly different some of the other characters are, then others are virtual carbon copy.
Shouta
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Because there are certain elements that are associated with the actual historical figure. The actual Yukimura was a spear-wielder and wore red because those were the colors of the Takeda (as I recall). Masamune actually had one eye and wore an eyepatch. The helmets are designed after his actual one too. Masamune's nickname is the One-Eye Dragon btw.
NotMyUsername
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In the story campaign is there any reason not to just use the same character and switch up the second character to trigger objectives or anything? I've only done Takeda's story so far but I just stuck with the same first dude and went through each of the side characters. I noticed the icons on the objectives showing I'll need to replay levels with specific secondary characters but since my fellow was so strong by the end it seemed like I'd just hinder myself changing to other primary characters.
Also, been playing on Hard. Is there any benefit other than simply challenging myself? Get more rewards or XP or anything? Thought of bumping it up to Nightmare as I've been doing fairly well so far.
Lastly, enemies with like a red aura can mostly only be killed in Rage mode or is there some other trick? I failed the third story mission of Takeda and the first time I tried to kill the Honda fellow I did almost no damage and he nearly killed me. He finally escaped and then something later caused the story to fail. When I redid it I figured out Rage was able to damage and kill him.
Also, been playing on Hard. Is there any benefit other than simply challenging myself? Get more rewards or XP or anything? Thought of bumping it up to Nightmare as I've been doing fairly well so far.
Lastly, enemies with like a red aura can mostly only be killed in Rage mode or is there some other trick? I failed the third story mission of Takeda and the first time I tried to kill the Honda fellow I did almost no damage and he nearly killed me. He finally escaped and then something later caused the story to fail. When I redid it I figured out Rage was able to damage and kill him.
Lee Chaolan
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Ieyasu in Musou is extremely unlikable. I know he's the one that united Japan, but he just comes off poorly the whole game(s). Makes me wish the Oda never would have died (even though I like Mitsuhide)
Yep, sadly this is true. The Hojo were everywhere in SW2 campaigns as well, with no premade Musou character, so it's not a bad bridge, but it should have been the Uesugi Campaign that unlocked the Hojo.
FallingEdge
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Cool.
And my biggest problem right now is that during story mode, I am too busy focused on the action and tend to ignore what is going on during the dialog. So I miss out a bit on what they are actually trying to achieve.
Also, when I tell my partner to "protect", there are a lot of times where they are just super far away from me. When I switch back to them, they are usually just standing around or fighting one guy. Can be real annoying.
dakkumauji
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I don't mind his character though. He's known for being the patient one of the three unifiers and it shows in his character.
It's just that he's not pretty (or even handsome) and his weapon just suckssssssss.
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