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Sanders' 1996 Endorsement of Bill Clinton
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I've grown tired of some of the things he has done but an endorsement is an endorsement. No matter how unenthusiastic it is. It's better than no endorsement.
Ziltoidia 9
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He isn't going to do this. He is in a completely different position than when he was just a congressman.
Yall need to stop shitting on him so much. Hillary won, sanders is just campaigning for the message at this point. As long as people come out to see him, he is going to do the events.
Its up to the part and Hillary if they want to include his message into the platform and act on it. Not long ago, Obama got shit from the right for calling out the Citizen's United case during a state of the union, and all the left stoop up and clapped. For some reason, it doesn't matter anymore....oh but I bet it will matter next time the party loses the presidency. Its effected the last 2 mid terms horribly, too.
Yall need to stop shitting on him so much. Hillary won, sanders is just campaigning for the message at this point. As long as people come out to see him, he is going to do the events.
Its up to the part and Hillary if they want to include his message into the platform and act on it. Not long ago, Obama got shit from the right for calling out the Citizen's United case during a state of the union, and all the left stoop up and clapped. For some reason, it doesn't matter anymore....oh but I bet it will matter next time the party loses the presidency. Its effected the last 2 mid terms horribly, too.
For reals?
See this is where Sanders loses me completely. Yes, Clintons health care reform was a kludge especially by 1996, but he and his wife had expended a shit ton of political capital on a reasonable multipayer universal health project (Hillary care) in 93-94, which they couldn't get past the legislature.
Their 95-96 plan was very limited in scope
but they'd already dashed themselves on the healthcare rocks in 93-94 with no success.
Sanders seems to have wanted them to propose some pie in the sky move to single payer UHC when they couldn't even get traction on what was initially a pretty comprehensive multi-payer UHC proposal EVEN after two years of negotiation and scaling it back.
The reality of the way the US political system is structured is that you have to aim for the changes you can make, and gradually move the direction of travel. Just stamping your foot down and saying my way or the highway doesn't work when you are proposing a major change.
Their 95-96 plan was very limited in scope
but they'd already dashed themselves on the healthcare rocks in 93-94 with no success.
Sanders seems to have wanted them to propose some pie in the sky move to single payer UHC when they couldn't even get traction on what was initially a pretty comprehensive multi-payer UHC proposal EVEN after two years of negotiation and scaling it back.
The reality of the way the US political system is structured is that you have to aim for the changes you can make, and gradually move the direction of travel. Just stamping your foot down and saying my way or the highway doesn't work when you are proposing a major change.
ArkhamFantasy
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Seems pretty logical to me.
is this your first election, or
Dr_LucienSanchez
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In the frequent waves of new items that many of the whiz kids of poligaf attack Sanders on, this newest one about how he's done absolutely nothing in his political career is actually almost kind of the most baffling.
Kite
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lol work on your google-fu
https://books.google.com/books?id=m...a big fan of Bill Clinton’s politics"&f=false
edit: someone is fast at editing their post so they don't look silly calling this fake
Daria Morgendorffer
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There is nothing wrong with this at all, and I wouldn't be mad if he said something like this again.
Gaf would b mad tho, because it's Sanders
Gaf would b mad tho, because it's Sanders
SecretMoblin
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You're right.
As linked above, this passage is from his book, "Outsider in the White House", republished last year. He's speaking hypothetically as to what his options are in the 1996 election, and how progressives should deal with the question of President Clinton.
The passage in the OP wasn't written in 1996, it was written afterward about his thoughts during the '96 campaign.
It's still true though.
Ziltoidia 9
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Wow, its just from his book? That's about as low key of a "endorsement" as it gets. No one probably even read the damn thing in 1997, which is when it was released, per the copyright page.
In other news, he could write the sequal and call it "Outside the Whitehouse" again, because he aint going to be in it, now. =[
In other news, he could write the sequal and call it "Outside the Whitehouse" again, because he aint going to be in it, now. =[
Dash_Riprock
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What message? The only that's coming out from him staying is that he's a butthurt sore loser. Its the same shit every time: he's the victim, and anyone that doesn't support him is an establishment shill. Whatever positive progressive message he had is lost in the pathetic salt he and his supporters keep spouting.
adamsappel
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Bernie said:
Isn't this a lie? What about that picture of him standing behind Hillary, and her note thanking him for his work? I wish I could find it online, but I know that he apologized to Bill Clinton and blamed himself for it not passing. He said he should have railed against it for not being Socialist, but his support of it gave detractors a reason to oppose it.
Of course, seeing how self-centered the man is, perhaps he's taking a bit more blame than he deserved.
By 1996 there wasn't anything really left of Hillarycare. For all the Clintons faults they did try something which while not perfect would have been a major improvement in US healthcare provision. It basically eat up two years of Clintons presidency and some of the horse trading he did to try to get it moving forward are the weaker points in his Presidency.
A lot of Clinton's weaknesses as a candidate (falseness etc) is due to her being risk adverse due to the absolute shoeing she took early on because as an unelected first lady involving herself in policy affairs especially a politically charged healthcare reform bill she was an easier target than a reasonably well liked President who was presiding over a decent economic recovery.
Ziltoidia 9
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Why so angry?
Also, did you not watch his speech last night? He hardly even attacked, if any, Clinton.
That's how strongly general election losers are remembered 20 years on. Imagine what it's like for primary losers.
redmetal86
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History preparing to repeat itself. Does that mean in 2036, Chelsea Clinton will run against Ivanka Trump, and Bernie's son will have to endorse her?
PeskyToaster
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Lol I love that endorsement. Bernie keeps it real. We need more of that not less.
Oh god, Ivanka's going to end up being our Marine Le Pen isn't she.
Nah Bern will still be around, futurama style, telling it like it is
Bernie Waterfall Jr
Point me out the progressive infrastructure he's helped build. Point me out the candidates he's stumped for. Point me out the caucus of progressives he leads in congress.
There was a reason the elected party officials quickly moved behind Clinton - because sanders simply hasn't helped build any sort of progressive movement beyond his own speeches and grandstanding against both parties. Hell, Harry Reid asked him to support downticket progressive dems and a leadership position - and he turned it down!
I always find it funny when people cite that Rolling Stone story as an example of Sanders getting things done. Its about a week of his time in the House where he (by the end of the week) had literally accomplished nothing.
grandjedi6
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wants to fuck an Asian grill.
makes you think, huh
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