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SCEA on back-compatibility: "I would like my car to fly and make me breakfast, too"
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Cosmonaut X said:
I wasn't even doing that... I was giving it another bonus, because WITHOUT those Virtual Console games it's not even FAIR to Wii to compare it to PS3's backward compatibility, it having literally over 7500 games that work flawlessly. How many games does Gamecube have? 1500 generously? Let's say 2000! 3000! No matter how you shake it, it'll never match up. If raw percentages is your game, it's THE most bullshit way of going about it because obviously the more games you have the more difficult the process of getting perfect backward compatibility.
Otherwise, I agree... Virtual Console does not count as "backward compatibility." I was being generous, to cover any possible scenarios he could argue.
Bebpo said:
PR people say something stupid about the competitors and fans of the competitors have a crazy uprising. just like when some crazy MS dude said that Sony wouldn't be able to do 1080p. hell, that still gets brought up. crazy fanboys will always use their supplied ammo. *shrugs*
POWERSPHERE
Banned
I think he means that Nintendo are only backwards compatible with Gamecube and not their 'whole' library, asides from VC. God knows what he means, really. Isn't the 360 somewhat backwards compatible? Jerky tits.
The Faceless Master
Member
wow, some people sure have their priorities confused here... talking about BC when the real issue is how he completely sidestepped the upscaling issue
fortified_concept
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I don't get it. Do the virtual console games count as BC? Isn't the point of BC to play games that you already have?
edit: beaten hours ago.
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Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
The arrogance is beyond me. Surely when they read themselves they see it.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
VC is not "backward compatibility", it would be if there were 5 cartridge slots on the Wii, but thank God that's not the case.
The Wii is 100% BC with the Gamecube, the PS3 is 98% BC with the PS2, it's not a comparison of legacy but rather to which extent one system replaces the other for their respective pre-existing consumer base, which is what BC is for anyways. 200 games might be a small percentage of the total but it's a fairly high number, there could be some games in there people actually care about. I'm thrilled the PS3 is almost fully BC, but no matter how you spin it, 100% BC is always better than 99.9% BC, even if that full library is just one game, it's still the full library. They did a great thing with BC but if you're gonna apologize for it don't deliberately bring the competition into it.
The Wii is 100% BC with the Gamecube, the PS3 is 98% BC with the PS2, it's not a comparison of legacy but rather to which extent one system replaces the other for their respective pre-existing consumer base, which is what BC is for anyways. 200 games might be a small percentage of the total but it's a fairly high number, there could be some games in there people actually care about. I'm thrilled the PS3 is almost fully BC, but no matter how you spin it, 100% BC is always better than 99.9% BC, even if that full library is just one game, it's still the full library. They did a great thing with BC but if you're gonna apologize for it don't deliberately bring the competition into it.
Scalemail Ted
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I havent read this thread. I just want to know if Guitar hero 1 and 2 are BC on PS3?
Couldn't there have been some kind of UBS attachment?
I don't see any detailed documentation, we still don't know if the Wii is 100% backwards compatible. Yes, the Wii is just as a powered up GC... but console games can be quiet sensitive to change, something like disc speed can really screw things up.
Also, I don't know how many games that GC has, I would guess around 2,000? Are you telling me 2,000 is better then 8,000?
plagiarize
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well, guitar hero and guitar hero 2 both work on the ps3, you just can't play them with your guitar.
why do i care that people get their facts straight?
GAF has enough problem dealing with peoples opinions. i'd like us to be straight on the facts, and i think the world would be a better place if PR people at least got the facts right.
of course he's going to talk up the PS3 as the best of all three. that's his job. i have no problems with that. the interview is boring because he basically doesn't answer the questions, doing the usual PR dance.
'so why isn't backwards compatability 100%?'
'Our competitors are worse! You can't have everything, espescially not answers to your questions!'
but i had no problem with that.
what made me roll my eyes was that people were defending him over his complete ignorance of the facts.
as i said, feel free to argue that the ps2's backwards compatability is better than the Wiis because it plays many more games. that's a valid point. that's a good point.
if Jack had made that point, I wouldn't be complaining.
i don't want to see Sony die in a fire, I just want to see them get some more PR types that can conduct interviews without coming across arrogant, or putting their feet in their mouths all the time.
people like Phil Harrison. people who know their competitors well enough to make VALID points. convincing points. not 'well i couldn't be arsed to check if they have that or not so i'm going to presume they don't and bad mouth them for it!'
you know, more PR people like Phil would be better for gamers, better for Sony fans and better for Sony.
why do i care that people get their facts straight?
GAF has enough problem dealing with peoples opinions. i'd like us to be straight on the facts, and i think the world would be a better place if PR people at least got the facts right.
of course he's going to talk up the PS3 as the best of all three. that's his job. i have no problems with that. the interview is boring because he basically doesn't answer the questions, doing the usual PR dance.
'so why isn't backwards compatability 100%?'
'Our competitors are worse! You can't have everything, espescially not answers to your questions!'
but i had no problem with that.
what made me roll my eyes was that people were defending him over his complete ignorance of the facts.
as i said, feel free to argue that the ps2's backwards compatability is better than the Wiis because it plays many more games. that's a valid point. that's a good point.
if Jack had made that point, I wouldn't be complaining.
i don't want to see Sony die in a fire, I just want to see them get some more PR types that can conduct interviews without coming across arrogant, or putting their feet in their mouths all the time.
people like Phil Harrison. people who know their competitors well enough to make VALID points. convincing points. not 'well i couldn't be arsed to check if they have that or not so i'm going to presume they don't and bad mouth them for it!'
you know, more PR people like Phil would be better for gamers, better for Sony fans and better for Sony.
Norse
Member
you guys need to give hime some slack...guy has been working his ass of lately....and those 12 hr Gears of War sessions have taken his sleep time away. And I wont even go into how much time he spends in Viva Pinata.
Shit, as long as it took for them to crap out the 300k launch units for japan and usa, you actually think they tested all the old ps2 and ps1 games? hahahahahahahaha.....outside of a very few of us, none even have a ps3 to argue if BC is working good or not.
Shit, as long as it took for them to crap out the 300k launch units for japan and usa, you actually think they tested all the old ps2 and ps1 games? hahahahahahahaha.....outside of a very few of us, none even have a ps3 to argue if BC is working good or not.
Red Blaster
Member
Terrell said:
PR guys aren't paid to be informed about competitor's products.
neogaf_cage_free
Chimera Apologist
He also says "I would challenge the average consumer to say that there are significant problems with any of the games in their library."
Anyone ever heard of a little game called SOCOM3!!! A few folks out there may have it. It won't play online because the patch explodes as corrupt. Ha! Take that Jack *** Trenton.
Anyone ever heard of a little game called SOCOM3!!! A few folks out there may have it. It won't play online because the patch explodes as corrupt. Ha! Take that Jack *** Trenton.
Twitchfactor
Member
Fafalada said:
That's not true in the least. Out of all the Xbox games I've tried on my 360 only one had any issues and that was Forza. Since there's 10 million other race games on the 360, I didn't care and moved on.
If you're gonna be a 360 basher, at least say something true, like 50% of the backwards compat games on the 360 are poo and nobody cares.
You may see that as the point, but that's not the definition. "Backwards compatibility" is the capability to play games released on past systems on a new system. Period. Which is what the Wii does.GDJustin said:
It might not be the TYPE of backwards compatibility you like or want, but it is A form of backwards compatibility.
And, let's face it, most casual players aren't likely to be clinging dearly to their old NES carts anyway (which is why those old ports sell like gangbusters on the GBA), unlike your hardcore gamers.
charlequin
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Azelover said:
Coming in 2008!
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Actually, I'd probably buy it.
Father_Mike
Member
is there a list of the 200 that have problems?
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Deleted member 284
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I called sega about this the other day. they said yes as long as you use your GC mem card.neptunes said:
That's exactly why percentages are the most honest way to compare them. But :Amir0x said:
- I don't see why the debate, both are all excellent
- I'm sure that Wii will have a few Gamecube games not working (see Gameboy > GBA compatibility, it's also something like a few percent of not perfectly compatible games)
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