• Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!

School administrators apologize for menu of fried chicken, cornbread & watermelon

Status
Not open for further replies.
So what are you..but that's what they...what...why...*does not compute*

He's saying that, because food items that are typically associated with soul food is also eaten by whites, it shouldn't be associated with African Americans. Of course that stance is ignoring why these foods are culturally significant to African Americans in the first place, the point of the thread.
 
For all the horrible stereotypes this is the least offensive one. I love all these foods so much. That being said this was a really bonehead move.
 
I would be more outraged if I were less hungry.

fried-chicken.jpg


Pretty dumb idea. Hope the kids enjoyed the meal though, racist as it was. Food like that has to be savored whether it's racist or not.
 
He's saying that, because food items that are typically associated with soul food is also eaten by whites, it shouldn't be associated with African Americans. Of course that stance is ignoring why these foods are culturally significant to African Americans in the first place, the point of the thread.

It's common for people to think about the old south and only think of the white slave owners and the salves. The truth is that those slave owners were only a small minority compared to the rest of the whites in the south.

No, i'm saying most foods that are called "soul food" are culturally significant to all of the south. Some were already here because the native american ate them (Cornbread, hush-puppies, hominy(grits) are Native American), Others were brought in by immigrants from all over the world (Fried Chicken- Scottish) (Cooked Greens- Greek). These became the basis of the Southern diet that everyone ate because is consisted of foods that grew well in the climate. It's a true "melting pot" cuisine eaten by the poor and less fortunate as well as the wealthy. The cuts of meat were the difference between what the top 5-10% ate and what the slaves/ other 90-95% of whites ate.

I'll give you fried pie, those are damned good and were created by slaves in order to have a high energy snack they could keep on their person while working.
 
I never denied the historical context created by bigots that made the negative connotations, just that the context they created was based on no logical sense.

I'm going to post this specific bit from NPR one more time because it directly addresses the idea that there's no logic to the association:

D.W. Griffith's seminal and supremely racist 1915 silent movie about the supposedly heroic founding of the Ku Klux Klan was a huge sensation when it debuted. One scene in the three-hor features a group of actors portraying shiftless black elected officials acting rowdy and crudely in a legislative hall. (The message to the audience: These are the dangers of letting blacks vote.) Some of the legislators are shown drinking. Others had their feet kicked up on their desks. And one of them was very ostentatiously eating fried chicken.

"That image really solidified the way white people thought of black people and fried chicken," Schmidt said.

Schmidt said that like watermelon, that other food that's been a mainstay in racist depictions of blacks, chicken was also a good vehicle for racism because of the way people eat it. (According to government stats, blacks are underrepresented among watermelon consumers.) "It's a food you eat with your hands, and therefore it's dirty," Schmidt said. "Table manners are a way of determining who is worthy of respect or not."

In simple terms, the food is undignified because you eat it with your hands.
 
I'm going to post this specific bit from NPR one more time because it directly addresses the idea that there's no logic to the association:



In simple terms, the food is undignified because you eat it with your hands.

Exactly, it makes no logical sense that chicken be associated as soul food simply because it was used to demean black people. The correlation isn't logical.

"Lets take a common food in which etiquette changes depending on the social situation and show black people using poor etiquette." turned into "This common food is soul food."

And as seen below, it was then used to demean black people. I guess it's soul food because bigoted white people said so?

(Edit: I've gotta finish me term paper, I may not be back on tonight. I've enjoyed the conversation.)
 
I'm going to post this specific bit from NPR one more time because it directly addresses the idea that there's no logic to the association:



In simple terms, the food is undignified because you eat it with your hands.

Things like Coon Chicken Inn, which was a fast food chain that ran from 1925 to the late1950's, sure didn't help matters either.

sign.jpg
 
No matter how they approached the issue, I don't think food is the best way to encapsulate Black History Month. I mean, I guess they could bring in a black chef/cook who could make what they consider traditional to their version of the black subculture, but it's something very broad that also bleeds over with American food culture. Some people may prepare traditional dishes depending where their forebears came from, but we have a diverse range from Ethiopian to Jamaican food. But then we're also assuming that black Americans need to be associated with some form of foreign "otherness".
I'm going to post this specific bit from NPR one more time because it directly addresses the idea that there's no logic to the association:

In simple terms, the food is undignified because you eat it with your hands.
It's also a food that is seen as relatively simple, very greasy (and unhealthy), and "low-class".
 
Not for nothing, but if my school served that for lunch one day I would have been all over it. Racism be damned, fried chicken can never be wrong.
 
Exactly, it makes no logical sense that chicken be associated as soul food simply because it was used to demean black people. The correlation isn't logical.

"Lets take a common food in which etiquette changes depending on the social situation and show black people using poor etiquette." turned into "This common food is soul food."

And as seen below, it was then used to demean black people. I guess it's soul food because bigoted white people said so?

(Edit: I've gotta finish me term paper, I may not be back on tonight. I've enjoyed the conversation.)

Not trying to get the last word here but I do want to respond to you. I think ultimately, we can agree that it's dumb for bigots to use food for racial mockery. That said, bigots are not sweepingly known for having high intelligence to begin with, so that's probably the real answer right there.
 
No matter how they approached the issue, I don't if food is the best way to encapsulate Black History Month. I mean, I guess they could bring in a black chef/cook who could make what they consider traditional to their version of the black subculture, but it's something very broad that also bleeds over with American food culture. Some people may prepare traditional dishes depending where their forebears came from, but we have a diverse range from Ethiopian to Jamaican food. But then we're also assuming that black Americans need to be associated with some form of foreign "otherness".It's also a food that is seen as relatively simple, very greasy (and unhealthy), and "low-class".

Absolutely.

They could celebrate Black History Month in ways that DON'T reinforce negative stereotypes. Like having a dance class or something. Or they could listen to certain types of influential black music by influential black artists (Billie Holiday, Louis Armstrong, etc.).

Food....will always have that negative stereotype attached to it. Or at the very least, indulge in the foods that AREN'T part of the stereotype. Fried okra, collard green, mac & cheese, etc. Fried chicken and corn bread aren't the only kinds of foods associated with black culture. That's basically just lazy (and/or racist) planning.
 
Weird that I just saw this thread. Tonight, a few black students at my school just put on a "Soul Food" themed dinner that had Fried Chicken, Cornbread, Mac & Cheese, a couple other things and the drink was Kool-Aid. I feel like it would absolutely be considered racist if it was put on by white people.

This is going to sound stupid but.... How do those foods relate to black people? Never really understood that.

Read the thread. Shit, at least read the first page.
 
This is going to sound stupid but.... How do those foods relate to black people? Never really understood that.

Not a stupid question and one that more young people these days should ask as it pertains to American history. These have been posted before, but if you're genuinely interested, I ask that you take about 10-15 minutes to read these articles as a primer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon_stereotype

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/05/22/186087397/where-did-that-fried-chicken-stereotype-come-from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_African_Americans
 
I came here expected to be outraged because I love those foods. I now leave outraged because of racism.

I was about to go all Dave Chappell on the op and then I came into the thread and exclaimed "shit!"

Part of me wanted to believe people where already past the low-hanging ignorance. Part of me wanted to think today's racism was higher-brow than this :(
 
Weird that I just saw this thread. Tonight, a few black students at my school just put on a "Soul Food" themed dinner that had Fried Chicken, Cornbread, Mac & Cheese, a couple other things and the drink was Kool-Aid. I feel like it would absolutely be considered racist if it was put on by white people.



Read the thread. Shit, at least read the first page.

To be fair to those students, unless your school is in the south, getting some real Soul food is hard. This thread makes me want to drive back down to Virginia this summer and get some food.
 
Weird that I just saw this thread. Tonight, a few black students at my school just put on a "Soul Food" themed dinner that had Fried Chicken, Cornbread, Mac & Cheese, a couple other things and the drink was Kool-Aid. I feel like it would absolutely be considered racist if it was put on by white people.



Read the thread. Shit, at least read the first page.
Jesus relax didn't have a chance to read everything I just skimmed through it.

Not a stupid question and one that more young people these days should ask as it pertains to American history. These have been posted before, but if you're genuinely interested, I ask that you take about 10-15 minutes to read these articles as a primer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon_stereotype

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/05/22/186087397/where-did-that-fried-chicken-stereotype-come-from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_African_Americans
So basically because its finger food its dirty and makes black people dirty plus its cheap? Wow just wow..
 
Absolutely.

They could celebrate Black History Month in ways that DON'T reinforce negative stereotypes. Like having a dance class or something. Or they could listen to certain types of influential black music by influential black artists (Billie Holiday, Louis Armstrong, etc.).

Food....will always have that negative stereotype attached to it. Or at the very least, indulge in the foods that AREN'T part of the stereotype. Fried okra, collard green, mac & cheese, etc. Fried chicken and corn bread aren't the only kinds of foods associated with black culture. That's basically just lazy (and/or racist) planning.

Food is an important aspect to a lot of cultures and their history, and African Americans are no different.

I dislike this idea that because some bigots tried to make what we eat a target of shame, that we should internalize that shame and shun it.

And *every* aspect of our culture has been demeaned and chastised at one point. You mentioned a dance class...honestly, the stereotypes of black bodies, and our relationship to music, are just as strong as the food ones, even if they don't have easily identifiable Jim Crow cartoons.
 
Food is an important aspect to a lot of cultures and their history, and African Americans are no different.

I dislike this idea that because some bigots tried to make what we eat a target of shame, that we should internalize that shame and shun it.

I agree with you on the point that we shouldn't be be ashamed of certain things because of their connections to the past. But in the context of Black History month, it's just inappropriate, no matter how much you want to combat the stereotype. Not to mention that there are a VARIETY of things to chose from when it comes to African-American cuisine; you don't have to jump at the prevalent, go-to stereotypes in order to celebrate Black History. Furthermore, fried chicken and cornbread is a lazy, uninspired way to celebrate black food from a cultural standpoint.

And *every* aspect of our culture has been demeaned and chastised at one point. You mentioned a dance class...honestly, the stereotypes of black bodies, and our relationship to music, are just as strong as the food ones, even if they don't have easily identifiable Jim Crow cartoons.

No they aren't.

RAP music? Maybe (when you're talking about things like Lil Jon, 2 Chainz, etc). Jazz, R&B & Rock & Roll? No. No one sees this as a negative stereotype; this isn't mocked or ridiculed.
 
If they did a India History Month and on the menu it was Chicken Tikka Masala with naans.

No fucks would be given.
 
Honestly, I think the chicken and cornbread would have been fine. As others have pointed out, that's pretty traditional soul food, if boringly unimaginative.

Adding watermelon was where they done fucked up
 
Food is an important aspect to a lot of cultures and their history, and African Americans are no different.

I dislike this idea that because some bigots tried to make what we eat a target of shame, that we should internalize that shame and shun it.

And *every* aspect of our culture has been demeaned and chastised at one point. You mentioned a dance class...honestly, the stereotypes of black bodies, and our relationship to music, are just as strong as the food ones, even if they don't have easily identifiable Jim Crow cartoons.

Very true words. When I originally saw this post on Facebook I went into it intending to be offended, but ended up not really being all that offended. They meant well, and that was probably the gist of their understanding of a way to help celebrate black culture from a food perspective.

It is more unfortunate that it rapidly devolved into something nasty when I think that it was just probably "not a good idea" similar to how a certain national chain ran a special on "Bang Bang Shrimp and Champagne" to celebrate MLK. They probably didn't think twice about it, but a weird message was easily derived from it.
 
I was expecting my local High School to be in this story. In 2006 at Hart High School in Santa Clarita CA we had KFC fried chicken, macaroni and cheese (from KFC), and watermelon in honor of black history month. We all thought it was racist but it was free food.
 
Is this really that offensive? I'm not african american I am Jamaican but if they served curry chicken, rice & peas and sorel I wouldn't be offended. We like that sort of thing.
 
Is this really that offensive? I'm not african american I am Jamaican but if they served curry chicken, rice & peas and sorel I wouldn't be offended. We like that sort of thing.
ok, imagine it this way... what if they had a Jamaican history dinner and they served bigass joints rolled up with newspaper and some red stripe?
 
ok, imagine it this way... what if they had a Jamaican history dinner and they served bigass joints rolled up with newspaper and some red stripe?

LOL What kind of school are we talking about here? That is a terrible analogy. I got a better one.

For Hispanic heritage month the lunch menu is as follows:

Beans
Burritos
Tacos
& a Jarrito
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom