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[Clay Davis]

Ok, I misunderstood your point then. Although I would say that you should not need to "instill" self-esteem in your kids, it should come naturally as you raise them to be strong and independent adults.

And there are certain things we do that really are to artificially boost kids' self esteem, like not being allowed to fail kids in schools, that shit needs to stop.

what do you base that on? did your parents not instill some some sense of self worth and by extension, self esteem? I don't believe you're right at all in trying to state that it comes naturally through nurturing or upbringing. the only way it could come through those means is if the child is taught about self worth and instilled with some level of self esteem. these things don't come naturally as you claim they do, but I would like to know what you base it on. what have you experienced that leads you to believe that self esteem comes naturally?

I agree that the "everyone is a winner" mantra needs to die. I didn't have it when I was growing up and it didn't affect me or anyone around me at the time adversely if anything, losing taught me to take defeat with pride and try harder next time, to not give up because I wasn't successful the first time round.

 

[Officerrob]

Ok, I misunderstood your point then. Although I would say that you should not need to "instill" self-esteem in your kids, it should come naturally as you raise them to be strong and independent adults.

And there are certain things we do that really are to artificially boost kids' self esteem, like not being allowed to fail kids in schools, that shit needs to stop.

I get what you are saying. The last couple generations has produced a culture of "everyone gets a ribbon/medal" where before it was for those who finished in the top three. Losing is sometimes a very good thing

 

[Always-honest]

Yes, this may be right, but I think your conclusion is wrong.

The problem is, that there is no real future for a lot of kids growing up today. 98% of them only have to option of SART (Term used by a German amok teen) Schule - school, Arbeit - work, Rente - retirement, Tod - death.

We life in a world without real visions. Yes, earning money or saving the planet are possibilities, but that is not a vision. For quite a long time a lot of us were adventurers or warriors or wanderers. There were always people men and women who were leaving everything behind them to find something new.

We are Trueman and our teacher (the world) is telling is, there is nothing to explore anymore. That's it. There is no vision anymore. Obama even scrapped the space program. Neil Degrasse Tyson once gave a fantastic answer to a question about the space program and how it helped to let society advance, not just in technology.

It is different how people react to this world without visions for them. Some get apathetic and are doing their job within their class without any heart or commitment. The have families, but there is always something lacking, so they get divorced and don't find happiness. Some try to find answers in religion, but because there are no answers in religions, just guidelines, they are getting more aggressive or are waiting for the rapture. That's also why we are so obsessed with the apocalypse lately, lots of people wish it would finally come.

Other people are killing themselves. Countries like Japan or Switzerland or the Scandinavian countries have very high suicide rates, especially among teens. And maybe a lot of those shootings are also suicides, but with the intention to take as many with them as possible, either to share the grieve or to take revenge.

We should give our kids something to life for again, not just our dept and our environmental problems. That would change a lot.

I kinda agree with this. I have a 4 year old. And he's allready in this industry preparing him for exactly that SART you are talking about.
It feels like sending your kid in to an inescapable slow death. Especially since that life is based on making money and concentrating most of your life on achieving stuff you normally wouldn't give a damn about.

 

[NEO0MJ]

The great minds at Fox figured it out once again, it's not about guns, it's not about sociopaths, it's not about a media culture that feeds on these events, there is simply not enough worshiping going on at schools for God to bother helping.

Huckabee To Fox: ‘Should We Be Surprised’ About School Carnage When We’ve ‘Removed God From Schools’?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/huckabee...l-carnage-when-weve-removed-god-from-schools/

WTF? I used to like the guy when hearing the Huckabee report on the radio. Had no idea the man was crazy.

 

[arab]

WTF? I used to like the guy when hearing the Huckabee report on the radio. Had no idea the man was crazy.

no idea huckabee was crazy?

 

[Dude Abides]

WTF? I used to like the guy when hearing the Huckabee report on the radio. Had no idea the man was crazy.

Yeah, he's always been crazy as fuck, he just puts a genial face on it.

 

[AAequal]

I get what you are saying. The last couple generations has produced a culture of "everyone gets a ribbon/medal" where before it was for those who finished in the top three. Losing is sometimes a very good thind

Is this even true? Or maybe it's just America thing? I think internet has more worse effect on these mass shootings then self entitled kids. Psychos can cultivate their fantasies easily with other people who they can relate to. Some go deeper into their fantasy land and shut themselfs out from the real world completely. Then again people who go into these worlds usually have some kind of mental issues, unfortunately many people lack information and ways to spot the dangerous individuals before it's too late.

The problem is, that there is no real future for a lot of kids growing up today. 98% of them only have to option of SART (Term used by a German amok teen) Schule - school, Arbeit - work, Rente - retirement, Tod - death.

Hasn't this been the way for last hundred years? With the exception that many people worked more then 10h a day with less money and less time to actually live. Well, you didn't have to go to school in during 40s-70s since good paying factory jobs were still around even without education.

 

[Trokil]

I kinda agree with this. I have a 4 year old. And he's allready in this industry preparing him for exactly that SART you are talking about.
It feels like sending your kid in to an inescapable slow death. Especially since that life is based on making money and concentrating most of your life on achieving stuff you normally wouldn't give a damn about.

And the problem is, kids are getting that. Children are way more sensitive than you may think.

In the 50's and 60's there were a lot of ideas going around, how the world of tomorrow would look like. There was hope of a better tomorrow and the wonders awaiting them.

Kids nowadays are just getting, how the world will be much warmer because of the climate change, how resources are getting thin and people will have to fight over that, what is left. We are creating a world without a happy future and if the kids can not look forward to the future, what is left for them?

 

[cpp_is_king]

Is this even true? Or maybe it's just America thing? I think internet has more worse effect on these mass shootings then self entitled kids. Psychos can cultivate their fantasies easily with other people who they can relate to. Some go deeper into their fantasy land and shut themselfs out from the real world completely. Then again people who go into these worlds usually have some kind of mental issues, unfortunately many people lack information and ways to spot the dangerous individuals before it's too late.

I think it's just an America thing. And IMO it should come as no surprise that this is where most of the school shootings and violence are. There are crazy people everywhere, I don't deny that, but I think it is a little disproportionately high here.

 

[NEO0MJ]

no idea huckabee was crazy?

Yeah, he's always been crazy as fuck, he just puts a genial face on it.

Like I said, all I know about the guy I built on what I heard was the occasional short Huckabee report on the radio, which in my opinion seemed to talk about good stuff. It's not often that I look into guys I hear on the radio. Now I'm questioning other people that sounded nice on the radio, like Paul Harvey.

 

[cpp_is_king]

what do you base that on? did your parents not instill some some sense of self worth and by extension, self esteem? I don't believe you're right at all in trying to state that it comes naturally through nurturing or upbringing. the only way it could come through those means is if the child is taught about self worth and instilled with some level of self esteem. these things don't come naturally as you claim they do, but I would like to know what you base it on. what have you experienced that leads you to believe that self esteem comes naturally?

When you work hard, you achieve. Self esteem comes from seeing your hard work pay off, and knowing that you are capable of accomplishing your desires if you put your mind to it.

Sure, some people are dealt a shit hand, and despite their hard efforts may never succeed, but there is definitely a correlation between how hard you try and how likely you are to reap the fruits of your labor, and it is this, putting forth effort and seeing it pay off, that builds a child's self esteem the right way. Simply telling them "oh you're a great kid, you can achieve anything" does not BUILD confidence, it attempts to insert it. When they do things that make themselves proud, that when it sinks in. It doesn't necessarily need to be academic accomplishment, it can be in anything. Maybe your kid loves sports, so you push him to work hard at it. But the point is that they need to be taught that success and happiness comes from trying hard and putting forth effort, and this will give them many opportunities to do things that make them proud of themselves.

 

[Emily Chu]

And the problem is, kids are getting that. Children are way more sensitive than you may think.

In the 50's and 60's there were a lot of ideas going around, how the world of tomorrow would look like. There was hope of a better tomorrow and the wonders awaiting them.

Kids nowadays are just getting, how the world will be much warmer because of the climate change, how resources are getting thin and people will have to fight over that, what is left. We are creating a world without a happy future and if the kids can not look forward to the future, what is left for them?

pretty much school, work, retirement and death

people just get chewed though the machine and try to fit in as many aspects of humanity as much as possible, such as sexuality and reproduction...

 

[zon]

Is there a good place that has all the correct information available or has any/all misinformation been dealt with?

 

[AAequal]

Nvm. Way offtopic.

 

[Officerrob]

It was like that always. Young idealistic people were same then as they are now. On flip side in 60s/70s many people just got factory jobs once they were out high school, got married, had kids, worked, retired and then dropped dead. Only thing that really is different these days that more people get higher education and instead working dead end factory job more people work in dead end office job.

Factory vs cubicle........yuck

 

[Korey]

http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/14vrq9/today_i_figured_id_design_something_a_little/

 

[Clay Davis]

When you work hard, you achieve. Self esteem comes from seeing your hard work pay off, and knowing that you are capable of accomplishing your desires if you put your mind to it.

Sure, some people are dealt a shit hand, and despite their hard efforts may never succeed, but there is definitely a correlation between how hard you try and how likely you are to reap the fruits of your labor, and it is this, putting forth effort and seeing it pay off, that builds a child's self esteem the right way. Simply telling them "oh you're a great kid, you can achieve anything" does not BUILD confidence, it attempts to insert it. When they do things that make themselves proud, that when it sinks in. It doesn't necessarily need to be academic accomplishment, it can be in anything. Maybe your kid loves sports, so you push him to work hard at it. But the point is that they need to be taught that success and happiness comes from trying hard and putting forth effort, and this will give them many opportunities to do things that make them proud of themselves.

i see what the problem is, you have a narrow and somewhat misguided or wrong view of how self worth / self esteem are built. telling a child he's a great kid and anything can be an achieved through hard work isn't inserting anything outside of a good work ethic, it's teaching them the value of hard work and what can be acheived through it. self esteem doesn't come through seeing your hard work when you're a child, it has to be taught and encouraged otherwise the child risks growing up without a sense of worth or any esteem.

you're right on the general idea, but you're also very wrong in how to go about achieving it, especially in children.

you're confusing self esteem in adults with self esteem in children.

 

[Trokil]

It was like that always. Idealistic people were same back then as they are now.

No it was not.

If a kid wants to become an Astronaut, the teacher is telling him, but there are no Astronauts anymore Trueman.

The world has changed. If you are born today in a poor family the chance that you will stay poor is way higher than it used to be. Society in western countries is getting to be more like a caste was in India. If you are born poor you will stay poor, because you have not the same access to education as rich people, you will eat worse and your medicare is worse. You will die earlier and your kids will have it even worse.

Hard work is not getting you anywhere anymore. It's about birthright and the world our children will grow up will be more like an aristocracy. Our kids will have to fight for their civil rights again, not based on their skin color but based on their income.

 

[Always-honest]

And the problem is, kids are getting that. Children are way more sensitive than you may think.

Kids are very sensitive, but not yet to these problems i think at the age of 4/5.
Anyway, as a parent i'm trying to make life as fun and loving as i can, but i have to prepare him a bit for the life ahead. I just hope he can find an education and work he loves doing. I'm in the lucky position to be able to make money with something i allready loved doing as a kid (illustrator/ making drawings). I can't stand the thought of him working in some office/ work environment where he feels unhappy and frustrated for the rest of his life.
The word 'succesfull' is so horribly miss-used in this world. Amost always it is used for people who are rich. Just,.. Rich. Which leads to a very sick society.


Anyway, this seems to be a kid with some kind of disorder.

 

[AAequal]

Nvm. Pointless discussion and way offtopic. My heart goes out for the families who lost their loved ones.

 

[Salazar]

The policy of promoting self esteem above all else is the leading cause of the degradation of the school system in this country.

I think pompous proclamations like this might be a symptom of educational decline.

"I know the problem and I have the answer. Everybody just needs to get on my moral level".

What fucken garbage. Worthy of a FOX guest.

 

[Kiraly]

http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/14vrq9/today_i_figured_id_design_something_a_little/

Beautiful.

 

[cpp_is_king]

i see what the problem is, you have a narrow and somewhat misguided or wrong view of how self worth / self esteem are built. telling a child he's a great kid and anything can be an achieved through hard work isn't inserting anything outside of a good work ethic, it's teaching them the value of hard work and what can be acheived through it. self esteem doesn't come through seeing your hard work when you're a child, it has to be taught and encouraged otherwise the child risks growing up without a sense of worth or any esteem.

you're right on the general idea, but you're also very wrong in how to go about achieving it, especially in children.

you're confusing self esteem in adults with self esteem in children.

And what is the best way to learn something? Not by being told, but rather by experiencing first hand.

I think pompous proclamations like this might be a symptom of educational decline.

"I know the problem and I have the answer. Everybody just needs to get on my moral level".

What fucken garbage. Worthy of a FOX guest.

I suppose we should just sit around say 'fuck it' and do nothing then. Since nobody could possibly have the answer, we might as well not even entertain ideas. Oh I know, I bet you have the answer right, and my answer simply doesn't agree with yours, therefore I'm a pompous asshole for thinking my answer is right, even though I'm sure you think your answer is right as well.. But maybe the masses agree with you, because we sure as hell haven't done anything yet. Or maybe you just have no fucking clue what the answer is, in which case I sure hope you don't end up in a position of leadership someday.

The problem with Washington now (and apparently yourself) is that everybody is to chicken shit to do ANYTHING because they are too scared it might not work. It is theoretically impossible to have "the answer" before you have tested any methods. Sociology is by definition experimental. Even gun control, everyone claims to have the answer, and nobody does because nothing happens in either direction so we can't even verify whether or not any of the things that people say will happen actually will. You can't possibly know if something is going to work until you've tried it. So do we just let society stagnate because we're too chicken shit to maybe make the wrong choice? Or do we make the best decision we can with the information we have, knowing that there's a chance it might not work out, but knowing that we can adapt our strategy later if it doesn't?

Feel free to go with the former, but I'm going with the latter.

 

[Clay Davis]

And what is the best way to learn something? Not by being told, but rather by experiencing first hand.

you can't have one without the other when it comes to children. that's the problem. you believe children shouldn't be taught self worth / self esteem, that's just wrong. there's no middle ground here, you're just wrong.

it's the most dangerous thing to do, to not instill some sense of self worth and self esteem in children. some of that comes from work but at the same time, they aren't yet old enough to learn the lessons you seem to think they should learn, so they need to be taught / guided / directed / etc. your position is so clearly wrong that I'm baffled by your continuing to argue for it.

you were right about the "everybody is a winner" mantra needed to die / put to one side, but you're completely wrong about not teaching and instilling self worth and self esteem. it's crazy how you can think not teaching those things will result in a well balanced and productive adult.

 

[Salazar]

I suppose we should just sit around say 'fuck it' and do nothing then.

If you want to play around with this caveman alternative of your own formulation, fine. You haven't actually engaged me in any interesting sense or degree. "Suppose" all you like.

Since nobody could possibly have the answer

It's unlikely to be someone who appears to conceive of a social, cultural, economic, political, institutional spectrum as gigantic and diverse as "the educational system" as having some kind of cracker-barrel philosophic key that we misplaced in the good old days, or as uniformly going wrong in the same goddamned Lake Wobegon way.

we might as well not even entertain ideas.

I looked at yours. It's basically shit. This is some kind of derail, though.

 

[Novid]

Yes, this may be right, but I think your conclusion is wrong.

The problem is, that there is no real future for a lot of kids growing up today. 98% of them only have to option of SART (Term used by a German amok teen) Schule - school, Arbeit - work, Rente - retirement, Tod - death.

We life in a world without real visions. Yes, earning money or saving the planet are possibilities, but that is not a vision. For quite a long time a lot of us were adventurers or warriors or wanderers. There were always people men and women who were leaving everything behind them to find something new.

We are Trueman and our teacher (the world) is telling is, there is nothing to explore anymore. That's it. There is no vision anymore. Obama even scrapped the space program. Neil Degrasse Tyson once gave a fantastic answer to a question about the space program and how it helped to let society advance, not just in technology.

It is different how people react to this world without visions for them. Some get apathetic and are doing their job within their class without any heart or commitment. The have families, but there is always something lacking, so they get divorced and don't find happiness. Some try to find answers in religion, but because there are no answers in religions, just guidelines, they are getting more aggressive or are waiting for the rapture. That's also why we are so obsessed with the apocalypse lately, lots of people wish it would finally come.

Other people are killing themselves. Countries like Japan or Switzerland or the Scandinavian countries have very high suicide rates, especially among teens. And maybe a lot of those shootings are also suicides, but with the intention to take as many with them as possible, either to share the grieve or to take revenge.

We should give our kids something to life for again, not just our dept and our environmental problems. That would change a lot.

yes. I agree 100%

 

[cpp_is_king]

you can't have one without the other when it comes to children. that's the problem. you believe children shouldn't be taught self worth / self esteem, that's just wrong. there's no middle ground here, you're just wrong.

it's the most dangerous thing to do, to not instill some sense of self worth and self esteem in children. some of that comes from work but at the same time, they aren't yet old enough to learn the lessons you seem to think they should learn, so they need to be taught / guided / directed / etc. your position is so clearly wrong that I'm baffled by your continuing to argue for it.

you were right about the "everybody is a winner" mantra needed to die / put to one side, but you're completely wrong about not teaching and instilling self worth and self esteem. it's crazy how you can think not teaching those things will result in a well balanced and productive adult.

I think you are misrepresenting my point. I am saying to teach it by having them experience it. Not by simply showering them with "oh you're such a great person" and "here's a ribbon" and "oh you can be anything you want to be when you grow up." Those are empty lessons unless you can back them up with tangible experience.

 

[Clay Davis]

I think you are misrepresenting my point. I am saying to teach it by having them experience it. Not by simply showering them with "oh you're such a great person" and "here's a ribbon" and "oh you can be anything you want to be when you grow up." Those are empty lessons unless you can back them up with tangible experience.

I don't believe I am. you initially suggested we shouldn't instill self esteem and that it comes naturally. that's simply not true. it needs to be taught to children. them learning just through experience isn't enough when they are likely not to understand they lesson they are supposed to be learning.

I also feel you're confusing teaching / instilling self esteem with self entitlement which comes from the "everyone is a winner" mantra, which I agree needs to die, but self worth and self esteem need to be taught and if done properly doesn't result in a self entitlement attitude from the child.

you're also ignoring the potential negatives of not teaching those thigns. adults who aren't well adjusted, adults who lack social skills, adults who aren't productive, adults who can't express themselves properly and so on, which leads to a whole host of problems.

 

[soepje]

The more i think of it, the more i feel awful for the brother.

His face plastered all over the news like it was, people will regognize him for years to come. People will see him as the brother of, and i´m sure not everyone will be kind and understanding. First believing it´s some stupid media mistake, to then find out it was your little brother, whom you spend years with, going on vacation, celebrating birthdays and holidays.. Your mother dead, but no real time or space to grieve because the media, parents and police want answers asap.

The families of the victims will be able to channel their anger and negative feelings towards the shooter, and everyone will be caring, understanding and trying to help. He will have to miss his family members, but won´t have the whole nation behind him, and won´t be able to openly talk about his grief too much b/c it was a family member that was responsible afterall. I really hope he has a great support system, he will need it.

The media really screwed up here. It´s awful and difficult enough to find out it was a family member that did this horrific act. He really didn´t need the massive media attention on his person in addition imho.

 

[FyreWulff]

The more i think of it, the more i feel awful for the brother.

His face plastered all over the news like it was, people will regognize him for years to come. People will see him as the brother of, and i´m sure not everyone will be kind and understanding. First believing it´s some stupid media mistake, to then find out it was your little brother, whom you spend years with, going on vacation, celebrating birthdays and holidays.. Your mother dead, but no real time or space to grieve because the media, parents and police want answers asap.

The families of the victims will be able to channel their anger and negative feelings towards the shooter, and everyone will be caring, understanding and trying to help. He will have to miss his family members, but won´t have the whole nation behind him, and won´t be able to openly talk about his grief too much b/c it was a family member that was responsible afterall. I really hope he has a great support system, he will need it.

The media really screwed up here. It´s awful and difficult enough to find out it was a family member that did this horrific act. He really didn´t need the massive media attention on his person in addition imho.

I read this, then look at CNN's front page

"See shooter's brother in handcuffs" link right next to the headline

:/

 

[Novid]

I read this, then look at CNN's front page

"See shooter's brother in handcuffs" link right next to the headline

:/

jeff zucker two days in cant do shit right.

 

[LordCanti]

I read this, then look at CNN's front page

"See shooter's brother in handcuffs" link right next to the headline

:/

That link probably replaced "See a zoomed out, blurry version of Anne Hathaway's vagina". I'm not sure which one is more exploitative.

 

[Rygar 8 Bit]

The more i think of it, the more i feel awful for the brother.

His face plastered all over the news like it was, people will regognize him for years to come. People will see him as the brother of, and i´m sure not everyone will be kind and understanding. First believing it´s some stupid media mistake, to then find out it was your little brother, whom you spend years with, going on vacation, celebrating birthdays and holidays.. Your mother dead, but no real time or space to grieve because the media, parents and police want answers asap.

The families of the victims will be able to channel their anger and negative feelings towards the shooter, and everyone will be caring, understanding and trying to help. He will have to miss his family members, but won´t have the whole nation behind him, and won´t be able to openly talk about his grief too much b/c it was a family member that was responsible afterall. I really hope he has a great support system, he will need it.

The media really screwed up here. It´s awful and difficult enough to find out it was a family member that did this horrific act. He really didn´t need the massive media attention on his person in addition imho.

hope he sues the shit out of the news outlets and gets paid

 

[Novid]

That link probably replaced "See a zoomed out, blurry version of Anne Hathaway's vagina". I'm not sure which one is more exploitative.

like i said. Jeff Zucker 2 days in cant get shit right.

When will CBS buy out Andy Coopers Contract? How about tommrow. Replace O'Donnoll she a damn air head.

 

[neorej]

Once again, the country mourns. Once again everyones saying "never again." And once again, gunlaws will remain unchanged.

Remember 9/11 and how fast bills like the Patriot Act were enforced so the US could prevent such an attack, because every death from terrorism is one too many?
It's almost funny that gunregulation cannot be enforced so quickly. Almost. If it weren't for the blood of teachers & children that have been spilled over the 2nd amendment.

 

[-PXG-]

WTF? I used to like the guy when hearing the Huckabee report on the radio. Had no idea the man was crazy.

One idiot at my job believes the same thing. All this happened because the government is taking God out of our schools...Really, bitch?


Utterly fucking stupid :/

 

[seanoff]

why was the brother put in cuffs and arrested.

why not just call him, arrange a meeting, go to his apartment, have a long chat about what he knew and go away.

poor bastard did nothing wrong. had his mother killed and his brother wipe 20 kids and 6 teachers. he'll be a fucking mess. then the police put him in cuffs and throw him in a car.

why?

 

[Clevinger]

like i said. Jeff Zucker 2 days in cant get shit right.

You keep acting like CNN's gross incompetence is something new.

 

[Rebel Leader]

why was the brother put in cuffs and arrested.

why not just call him, arrange a meeting, go to his apartment, have a long chat about what he knew and go away.

poor bastard did nothing wrong. had his mother killed and his brother wipe 20 kids and 6 teachers. he'll be a fucking mess. then the police put him in cuffs and throw him in a car.

why?

I think the shooter had his brothers ID or something

 

[seanoff]

I think the shooter had his brothers ID or something

so they waited for him to get home from work? Phone him at work, contact him via facebook, he was obviously on.

if they thought he was a threat on any level, why let him get from manhattan to hoboken?

looked like grandstanding to me and if i were him i'd be complaining bitterly about it.

 

[Majukun]

were the gun legally purchased?

 

[Rebel Leader]

were the gun legally purchased?

They were his mothers.

He apparently killed her, took the guns and drover her car to the school

 

[SeanR1221]

Is it confirmed the brother is the same guy on Facebook saying, "It wasn't me"?

 

[Kiraly]

Yeah

 

[teruterubozu]

So he took the guns of a school teacher. And yet we want to arm the teachers. Makes perfect sense.

 

[SeanR1221]

Yeah

Wow, eerie.

 

[Majukun]

They were his mothers.

He apparently killed her, took the guns and drover her car to the school

i wonder if his "motives" were someway related to some hatred to his mom,and he wanted to have "revenge" on her by attacking the school were she worked

Is it confirmed the brother is the same guy on Facebook saying, "It wasn't me"?

i really can't understand what all those people on his facebook page were trying to do...if it really was tha killer he was either dead or really not in a position to go home and check his facebook anyway...

it's really true that the internet don't make you more stupid,but make your stupidity more accessible to others..

 

[WillyFive]

hope he sues the shit out of the news outlets and gets paid

Would he even have a case?

 

[Novid]

Would he even have a case?

of course he does.

he needs to sue so we can finally have some sense of Journism again even if that even existed.

 

[Schattenjäger]

I hope no one becomes rich over this tragedy