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Scientists rank drugs: Alcohol worse than Ecstasy

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Norml said:
I would put it higher than cocaine as I never passed out and forgot what I did on coke.
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If you overdose on coke you can pass out too...
Kureishima said:
Just get pure MDMA or try LSA for a similar experience, you'll be fine.
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But where do I get it and how can I ever be sure that it's pure MDMA :(
 
teruterubozu said:
I know I know. It's just a confusing as fuck list. I mean how do you determine which drug's more dangerous than the other under varying conditions? What if you're homicidal and you take PCP or LSD? What about driving? Is this based on sitting in a padded room and taking these drugs? Then what about societal impact? Makes no sense.
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take a look at the BBC documentary in the OP. It's pretty enlightening.
Chichikov said:
I'm surprised Cocaine is ranked that high, but I guess it's because they lump it with crack.
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I'm pretty sure they are referring to pure chemicals.
Norml said:
But alcohol is much more likely to happen and it cost less.
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true, but look at Amy Winehouse if you want proof for the evil that cocaine is :lol
 
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Shorty said:
I'm pretty sure they are referring to pure chemicals.
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from the study:

There is a further degree of uncertainty resulting from polydrug use, especially in the so-called recreational group of drugs that includes GHB, ketamine, ecstasy, and alcohol, for which adverse eff ects could be attributed mainly to one of the components of commonly used mixtures. Crack cocaine is generally deemed to be more dangerous than powdered cocaine, but they were not considered separately in this study.
 
Reality and the social acceptance of drugs are definitely out of touch. I don't tell people in real life that I take Ritalin because there's still a lot of idiots that think ADD doesn't exist, and that people that use ADD drugs are druggies. At the same time a lot of people think that Alcohol isn't a drug, and that if you don't drink there's something wrong with you. I've met people that fall into both of these camps.
 
teh_pwn said:
At the same time a lot of people think that Alcohol isn't a drug, and that if you don't drink there's something wrong with you.
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Dude, yes. I've had people give me really weird looks when I say I don't drink alcohol, and I'm unable to tell them I use the vastly safer weed, because they'll look down on me as a "druggie".
 
besada said:
By any rational measure it is, considering the number of deaths attributable to alcohol each year.
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I'm just saying, I think there would be less damage if I drank every weekend, compared to taking E every weekend. Too much E.. Not good.

I've never done E btw.
 
Woot only 10/20.

Luckily 5 years soder... though I've yet to escape the daily reminders of getting high:(

Ecstasy should be a lot higher though, that shit fucked my mind up and then some.

Kipz said:
That's not true, my brother smoked half a marihuana cigarette and overdosed.
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Maybe if it was laced, other than that this statement does not compute.
 
Liquidus said:
Woot only 10/20.

Luckily 5 years soder... though I've yet to escape the daily reminders of getting high:(

Ecstasy should be a lot higher though, that shit fucked my mind up and then some.
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you sure it was mdma? If yes what did it do to you?
whitehawk said:
I'm just saying, I think there would be less damage if I drank every weekend, compared to taking E every weekend. Too much E.. Not good.

I've never done E btw.
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Yeah moderation is key. too much of anything will fuck you up.
 
^ Not really no. There's no physical dependency anyway.

Alcohol is definitely up there as one of the most dangerous. And it is ludicrous to rank pills with heroin.
 
Shorty said:
you sure it was mdma? If yes what did it do to you?

Yeah moderation is key. too much of anything will fuck you up.
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Nope, can never be sure with that shit.

I started at about 14 and quit when I was 20. During those times I can't really remember who I was before starting or during. It's like I lost a sense of self. I still can't remember anything about myself from those days but I can remember things I've done. It's really strange, it's like you lost what a normal person would consider a normal thought process.

People would tell me that I was a funny guy and that I just changed into some delusional, pretensicous shell of what/who I was. I know the first time I tried 4 Blue Omegas, had a bad trip and then it all started to fall down hill after that. I started thinking real negative thoughts and I mean some really crazy shit but I continued the use as it changed my preception of what was normal? Nothing like drugs to escape a shitty life:lol

I was using coke, crack, K, G, shrooms, pot, booze, meth and occasionally sweet lady H too but E was my weapon of choice. I'm sure these other drugs helped fuel the fire but I'm sure E was the main culprit. It had to have fucked my serotonin levels up as that's the only thing I could think of on what's "wrong" with me.

It's been hard to get back to "normal" but I'm trying... but god damn the thoughts of another hit have never stopped, 5 years later.
 
Shorty said:
They considered impact on society too. Not only individual harm and addiction. So that might play a role.
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Solvent sniffing is disastrous. Over and out. Also, some things are whack. This was 2006, MDMA is still being researched and seems to have some really bad effects on memory after prolonged use.

And Khat social harm is 0.85?? Some time ago I watched a documentary, people tend to spend a substantial amount of their money on it, evethough they are poor. Which is atrocious.

And Street Meth less harmful than Coke? REALLY? Based on what meth does to people and how many people in high society take Coke for years on a regular basis without looking like seriously sick people I also want to question that.

All in all, I'm not certain where the data for the evaluation was pulled from. Seems warped.
 
Tacitus_ said:
Don't parade the fact that it is still legal or they'll take it away from you. They outlawed importing salvia here a few years back, but it's still legal to own.
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I think all those YouTube salvia videos are going to eventually be the doom of the legality of the drug. It just amazes me that something so potent can be bought with no effort at all. I can get 120x over the counter for 15 bucks a gram.
 
Gram Negative Cocci said:
I think all those YouTube salvia videos are going to eventually be the doom of the legality of the drug. It just amazes me that something so potent can be bought with no effort at all. I can get 120x over the counter for 15 bucks a gram.
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Just is too "new", making something illegal takes time.
 
Gram Negative Cocci said:
I think all those YouTube salvia videos are going to eventually be the doom of the legality of the drug. It just amazes me that something so potent can be bought with no effort at all. I can get 120x over the counter for 15 bucks a gram.
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What? For something that can be legally produced? That's robbery?

Generally, only alcohol and cigarettes are priced fairly. And at least here, cigs come with hefty taxes.

But honestly, how hard is it to grow salvia or weed? Especially hemp, that stuff is a really rugged plant that has been used by humanity for ages for various things.
 
Gram Negative Cocci said:
I think all those YouTube salvia videos are going to eventually be the doom of the legality of the drug. It just amazes me that something so potent can be bought with no effort at all. I can get 120x over the counter for 15 bucks a gram.
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Salvia NEEDS to be outlawed. There is absolutely no point in it. I've done it once, and it is the stupidest piece of shit around. No one would miss it if it were outlawed, except for people who have never tried it. You just lose control of yourself for 5 minutes and shit. I don't even want to think about it.

Had such a bad trip I had to go see a psychologist to deal with bad Anxiety from the salvia.

Fuck it. And I only did 10x, I couldn't imagine what 120x would be like. fuck.
 
whitehawk said:
Salvia NEEDS to be outlawed. There is absolutely no point in it. I've done it once, and it is the stupidest piece of shit around. No one would miss it if it were outlawed, except for people who have never tried it. You just lose control of yourself for 5 minutes and shit. I don't even want to think about it.

Had such a bad trip I had to go see a psychologist to deal with bad Anxiety from the salvia.

Fuck it. And I only did 10x, I couldn't imagine what 120x would be like. fuck.
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"I had a bad experience with something, so it should be outlawed."
 
blame space said:
"I had a bad experience with something, so it should be outlawed."
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All of my friends hate it too (except for one). Some of them have done LSD and shrooms too for comparison.

I've only smoked weed, drank alcohol and salvia once btw.
 
FoxSpirit said:
And Street Meth less harmful than Coke? REALLY? Based on what meth does to people and how many people in high society take Coke for years on a regular basis without looking like seriously sick people I also want to question that.
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Street methadone. Not the same thing as methamphetamine aka 'meth'.

Methadone is a drug used to ween addicts off of Heroin.
 
whitehawk said:
All of my friends hate it too (except for one). Some of them have done LSD and shrooms too for comparison.

I've only smoked weed, drank alcohol and salvia once btw.
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"My friends and I had a bad experience with something, so it should be outlawed."
 
Liquidus said:
Was for me, everything was so much more enjoyable on E... at least at first... could sure go for o...:lol
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That's not a physical dependency. A physical dependency is like me with coffee. If it get's to about 9.30am and I haven't had a coffee I get huge headaches. Not because I feel like I need it but because my body feels like it needs it. And tells me in this way :lol
 
whitehawk said:
Salvia NEEDS to be outlawed. There is absolutely no point in it. I've done it once, and it is the stupidest piece of shit around. No one would miss it if it were outlawed, except for people who have never tried it. You just lose control of yourself for 5 minutes and shit. I don't even want to think about it.

Had such a bad trip I had to go see a psychologist to deal with bad Anxiety from the salvia.

Fuck it. And I only did 10x, I couldn't imagine what 120x would be like. fuck.
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That's weird. I used to do salvia a bit when I was in Europe. I found it really enjoyable and afterwards I was so relaxed. I never had to worry about doing it before work or anything because it was so short but left me in a really chilled state. And I was using the 60x. If it was legal here I would probably use it, if only to relax before sleep or after an intense study session.
 
whitehawk said:
Salvia NEEDS to be outlawed. There is absolutely no point in it. I've done it once, and it is the stupidest piece of shit around. No one would miss it if it were outlawed, except for people who have never tried it. You just lose control of yourself for 5 minutes and shit. I don't even want to think about it.

Had such a bad trip I had to go see a psychologist to deal with bad Anxiety from the salvia.

Fuck it. And I only did 10x, I couldn't imagine what 120x would be like. fuck.
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Salvia is used in religious practices and rituals, and therefore will never be outlawed. Too bad.
 
Xeke said:
Not many people could physically smoke a pack of joint a day like a lot of cigarette smokers do.
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my ass.. The amount of blunts I used to pack a day...

But I doubt that anyone could smoke a pack of joints a day and work.

Also I don't think it matters about how much some can consume in this study.

I would love to see cigars and cigarettes seperated..
 
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