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Hmmmmm. I've already said my piece earlier on this forum.

Seattle people can be very weird. Not all, but most.

This is, of course, my opinion, but your mileage may vary. Be sure to read all the personal anecdotes of all of the transplants and the natives who've written in the 'freeze' thread here:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/seattle-area/


In fact, while we're at it, those City-Data forums are an amazing resource for anyone looking to move to a new city. I would do some serious research - how long can you live in Canada with a work visa, cost of living, demographics, cultural events, etc.

I've visited Vancouver (nice city!) but have lived in Seattle for about 4 years now.

Fee free to PM me if you have any questions.
 
My mileage has certainly varied. The only asshole I've had to deal with was the guy that got the last copy of Soul Nomad just before I walked in and asked for it.

Oh, hi Shouta!
 
MrCheez said:
This is probably a dumb question.. but in what ways would you say it makes a big difference? I've always heard Canada and the US are very similar (except for things like UHC I suppose)
In a way, Canada is very similar to the US. In another way, it's TOTALLY not.
Taxes, politics, melting pot vs. cultural mosaic, etc. There are so many things.. and I wouldn't know where to start.

Well I was more curious about "Chinatowns" or "Japantowns" or whatever, but Richmond sounds cool too! :)
Richmond is cool if you know what you're looking for. Forget Chinatown, it's a fricking China-city. The real "Chinatown" is useless for young folks; it borders the worst neighborhood in the city (Downtown East), has no restaurants, and nothing to do. I go to Richmond (usually to eat) a few times a week and have only gone to Chinatown maybe 2 times in the last 3 years.

You'll find Asian restaurants all over the place. But there are concentrated pockets in certain neighborhoods that are especially cool (e.g. tons of Japanese/Korean joints near Denman-Robson in downtown).
 
I love Vancouver... but it's not really close. Seattle by a long stretch.

Vancouver does have impressive surroundings like North Shore for mountain biking (Whistler doesn't really count, it's a good distance away).

But Seattle Metropolitan is just a lot more vibrant and more impressive. Not to mention there are way better job opportunities, better surrounding suburbs, and still has impressive surrounding nature in Rainier. And father out Baker, San Juans, greater Puget Sound.
 
Your criteria is west coast, but somehow are limiting yourself to Seattle and Vancouver? Portland? San Francisco(/bay area in general)? Both of those have much better weather, are also quite liberal/outdoorsy, and international.

You may have a harder time dealing with immigration into Canada than you're expecting. At the very least, it'll be a lot of paperwork, you'll probably need a company to sponsor you for a permanent visa (and if you want to work in games, that probably means working for EAC, which is by all accounts teh sux -- and they're laying off heavily right now anyways).
 
Everyone in Seattle says Seattle and everyone in Vancouver will say Vancouver. There can be debating going on forever and points can be argued but there really is only one indisputable point that places Vancouver on top and that is the culinary scene. I have still yet to eat at a decent restaurant in Seattle as restaurants that I thought looked ok and had good buzz of people in it all turned out to be shit. You will eat better in Vancouver than you will in Seattle. Vancouver is probably the tops for food on the West Coast of the continent.
 
Big-E said:
Everyone in Seattle says Seattle and everyone in Vancouver will say Vancouver. There can be debating going on forever and points can be argued but there really is only one indisputable point that places Vancouver on top and that is the culinary scene. I have still yet to eat at a decent restaurant in Seattle as restaurants that I thought looked ok and had good buzz of people in it all turned out to be shit. You will eat better in Vancouver than you will in Seattle. Vancouver is probably the tops for food on the West Coast of the continent.
It just means most people living in both cities (and posting on GAF) are happy where they're at, which is itself a good sign. If someone asked about moving to my city in the Florida panhandle I'd tell them to stay the hell away for their own good.

I have a brother in Seattle. He loves it. I've seriously considered more than once making the cross-country trek out there.
 
Big-E said:
Everyone in Seattle says Seattle and everyone in Vancouver will say Vancouver. There can be debating going on forever and points can be argued but there really is only one indisputable point that places Vancouver on top and that is the culinary scene. I have still yet to eat at a decent restaurant in Seattle as restaurants that I thought looked ok and had good buzz of people in it all turned out to be shit. You will eat better in Vancouver than you will in Seattle. Vancouver is probably the tops for food on the West Coast of the continent.

You've never been to Salumi have you?

I live in Seattle and love it. I've been to Vancouver many times (when you are 19 it's a great place to go).

To whoever said that there are less outdoors options in Seattle than Vancouver doesn't live in Seattle. You are right next to a rainforest, two mountain ranges, a 14er, rivers, lakes, glaciers, etc. You couldn't go on every hike within 2 hours of Seattle in a lifetime. That's not to say that BC isn't amazing. I do love poutine.

Seattle is a nice place to live, BC to go (though that's the only way I've known it). I don't think you'll go wrong either way. If immigration is an issue go Seattle.
 
Lived in Seattle all my life. I prefer Seattle over Vancouver, but always considered Vancouver to be the sister city that's close enough to visit whenever convenient.

Have you even been to either city? You should definitely have visited either option before upping and leaving there. A lot of people move to Seattle(Californians & Hawaiians) and get worn down by the weather over time and just can't take it.
 
I live in seattle right now, and I go up to vancouver quite a bit. They are both nice places, but the traffic in Vancouver is really really bad. Seattle is no picnic, but the traffic there drives me insane.

Just a warning.

Edit: why do I go to vancouver, yea the food. Food is amazing up there, Seattle is no slouch in that department tho.
 
Well I live in Seattle so....I'd say Vancouver. Grass is always greener right?

But seriously..Seattle is in America automatic win.

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But then again Vancouver film scene is miles ahead of Seattle....Vancouver really should get the nod.

I'm originally from London..which wipes the floor with both these places :D
 
Phthisis said:
I know you probably won't believe me, but when I was there, I walked from the bottom left of this picture to the top right (and almost all of Stanley Park) and back again, from Robson to the waterfront, across 2.5 days. I love everything about it.
Why wouldn't we believe you? I live Dowtown and it isn't really that big. You can walk everywhere.
 
I went to Seattle and Vancouver once in the same weekend.



Seattle (circa 2002 but I've been there like 15 times):

I'm walking around on broadway in the middle of the day. A guy on a bike ride's by and asked if I want to buy some weed. I get super paranoid, being a new place, and say no, despite really wanting to smoke weed in a different city. I go to Dick's aka an awesome fast food place, and I see this guy screaming at this girl. The girl is holding back her medium sized dog from biting the shit out of the dude, but screaming back. He says he's gonna file a report because she bit him(no, not the dog, her), and she says that she'll file one because he beat her up and points to some supposed bruises on her face that I didn't see. They seem to be a couple despite the fact that she's like 20 and he's around 50. Meanwhile people are walking by normally and ordering Dick's pretending like nothing is happening. They're blocking the sidewalk and people just casually walk around them. Meanwhile I'm sitting there laughing my ass off and eating a delicious cheeseburger. Then a fucking cop comes up and I think I'm gonna see some cool action go down but he JUST WALKS BY casually like everyone else.

I go to a show and everyone has black hair, black pants, and mostly black or white or black/white t shirts or denim jackets. Very tight clothing. Also everyone was extremely pale and emaciated skinny. It seemed like people were wearing makeup to try and make themselves look paler. It seemed slightly contrived but there was a pretty cool community aspect. It was sort of an exclusive club though cause no one wanted to talk to us much. It wasn't uncomfortable at all though. Everyone was set in their ways. They knew the score and since it was obvious we weren't a part of that, we weren't immediately included. What I'm describing sounds really bad, but it was not an unpleasant experience at all. Just sort of foreign.

After the show we walked downtown at night. We went into this mcdonalds where you had to get some key card to go to the bathroom(i've never seen this before). The bathroom was extremely gross and almost made me not want to eat. Somehow I think there was a typo on the menu or something, because I got a 20 piece mcnugget for some ridiculously cheap price, like $2.50 or something. It was such an unfriendly mcdonalds though. Just terrible service and atmosphere.

We walk downtown more and this tall jamaicany looking black guy(or at least he had dreads and was wearing an atypical outfit was walking about a block away and he stopped and stood completely still. As soon as we got up to him he got in my friends face and screamed "EYES!" as loud as he could spraying phlegm and spittle. We started running and he punted the hot dog he was carrying at us. We were running in a sort of hunched over fashion because we were laughing so hard.

The next day I see another fight downtown, between a black dude and his g/f and a white dude who was still in his car but hanging out of the window. It was obviously over drugs. The white guy seemed to be getting the best of the black dude and his girl, although the punches and attacks were so weak that it looked like retards or 8 year olds fighting. Like, nothing was even close to enough to draw blood. Again, no one even looks at what is happening. They just pass by casually. Sensing the relative harmlessness of the altercation, I go up and just stare at what is happening. I'm talking like 2 feet away, almost getting hit by flailing arms. God, whatever. Sometimes when some wild bullshit goes down you have to do something wild as well. Then we went to Vancouver.

Vancouver (circa 2002):
I went to the center island part of vancouver and immediately we were in this weird place that had a lot of tall buildings around, yet it still somehow looked like complete shit, and there were weird crazy looking people all around staring at us creepily. We went into this mall and the place was completely empty, there were like 5 other people in the mall, but it was still open. Again very creepy since we were in a different country. Also I think the mall closed at like 5pm too which was very weird on a saturday. We walked back to our car and guys were mean mugging us. We started driving around and everyone was staring at us and a couple of guys tried to rush the car while it was driving!

We freaked out and got off the island center part(I think) and went somewhere else. We started walking down this strip and there were teens drinking on the street and we talked to a bunch of them and it was pretty cool. Then we went into Hooters and this really, really hot waitress was being a huge bitch to us when we were asking her what kind of cool stuff we should do in Vancouver. She said something in a really snotty tone about going down to the beach and smoking weed and getting laid. From her tone I'm guessing that the beach is not a good place to go at night. Fuck it, I was just staring at her tits the whole time, I didn't give a fuck. They looked absolutely incredible.

We continued walking down the strip, and there were currency exchange places on every single corner. Some weird but sort of hot girl asked us "who changed the gravity?". The weird thing was that it actually felt different that night. My body felt completely different when walking, so it kind of made sense. We weren't on drugs or drinking. We wanted to go to this dance club called the Roxy, but then some dude warned us that they pick fights with Americans there. Then we said fuck it, this is fucking weird, and went home.

Seattle: less strange since it's in the same country and things are more recognizable. Seatlle has better downtown and is less scary.

Vancouver: more strange but probably more interesting as a result.
 
Portland is a great place, and vancouver is really nice too, but:
Gallbaro said:
Edit: Seattle is a miserable little shit hole.

Come on man, Seattle is nice enough, no need to get all hyperbolic. It's not like bakersfield or something.
 
Hilbert said:
Portland is a great place, and vancouver is really nice too, but:


Come on man, Seattle is nice enough, no need to get all hyperbolic. It's not like bakersfield or something.


When ever I go there the weather just depresses me, aside from that like SF not many people actually live there.
 
This is funny because I recently moved from Seattle to Arizona ( though I have lived here once before). I sometimes don't know why I left. It's a gorgeous city, very high tech and wealthy. There is not a LOT of poverty (every big city has homeless). It has such a homely feel to it, its hard to explain. You would not regret it.

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maharg said:
Your criteria is west coast, but somehow are limiting yourself to Seattle and Vancouver? Portland? San Francisco(/bay area in general)? Both of those have much better weather, are also quite liberal/outdoorsy, and international.

You may have a harder time dealing with immigration into Canada than you're expecting. At the very least, it'll be a lot of paperwork, you'll probably need a company to sponsor you for a permanent visa (and if you want to work in games, that probably means working for EAC, which is by all accounts teh sux -- and they're laying off heavily right now anyways).
Relic, Next Level, Blue Castle, Rockstar, Radical, Hothead, and others I can't name off the top of my head are also here.

To be honest, I think Seattle might be the way to go just because of how much easier it would be. Moving countries could be tough, but my biased ass says the work is worth it :D

Google said:
What the fuck did I just read? Are you high right now?
He described Hastings and Main pretty well for a high man if that island thing was a metaphor.
 
Timedog said:
Some weird but sort of hot girl asked us "who changed the gravity?".
Huh, there's like a 60% chance I know that girl.

Firestorm said:
Relic, Next Level, Blue Castle, Rockstar, Radical, Hothead, and others I can't name off the top of my head are also here.
Yup, one of the many things I love about living here. One of my roommates actually works at one of those studios, and I've known two people who have worked at EA, plus occasionally hearing some random designers talking about their projects on busses or elsewhere.
 
Both cities are great places to live in, and when all is said and done, pretty similar, you can't really go wrong.
The biggest difference is the fact that one in the US and the other is in Canada, make your choice based on this.
As for happening, it really depends, if you're under 21, the lower drinking age in BC is a huge plus, if you're a bit older and in Vancouver, I hope you like drinking with kids.
Personally I would give the nightlife edge to Seattle, but I have to admit that I know Seattle much better than Vancouver so take it with a grain of salt.
And generally if you're looking for "big city" experience, I think you're looking at the wrong place.
Don't get me wrong, I love both cities, but they're hardly giant bustling metropolises.

p.s.
If you hate chiggers (can I be banned for saying it? we'll find out!) then it's definitely Seattle for you.
 
Rentahamster said:
Seattle rocks.

But the weather sucks.


Seattle and Vancouver have the same weather, for roughly the same reasons. And Vancouver is a tad colder.

Vancouver is way more shiny and international.


It is important to note that there is also a Vancouver, WA, at the border of Oregon, which is not the same at all. As a lady trying to drive there with a hand grenade in her glovebox discovered when she chose north instead of south.
 
OuterWorldVoice said:
When choosing a city to live in, I would say you couldn't be more wrong.
City?
It's a suburb of Portland.

And regardless of your (false) opinions about Vancouver, WA, direct your eyes eastward from Seattle (pretty much anywhere east, go as far as you wish, all the way to fucking Minneapolis) and you'll see that I could easily be way more wrong.
 
Chichikov said:
City?
It's a suburb of Portland.

And regardless of your (false) opinions about Vancouver, WA, direct your eyes eastward from Seattle (pretty much anywhere east, go as far as you wish, all the way to fucking Minneapolis) and you'll see that I could easily be way more wrong.


I don't think you're reading my first post correctly.
 
did i see a positive comment about richmond?

are you fucking kidding?

the first thing you do in richmond is leave. if you're ever in richmond and think to yourself "hey lets do something!" you're immediately on a bus out of richmond.

boring-est suburb in the gvrd. not even a good enough threat of getting stabbed or mugged to keep yourself on your toes.

also, i vote vancouver. i've been to seattle. i really liked it. but i'd definitely pick vancouver.
 
I live in Seattle. And I like Vancouver plenty. They feel pretty similar to me, although Vancouver is much more diverse. They're both great. You can't go wrong.
 
TemplaerDude said:
did i see a positive comment about richmond?

are you fucking kidding?

the first thing you do in richmond is leave. if you're ever in richmond and think to yourself "hey lets do something!" you're immediately on a bus out of richmond.

boring-est suburb in the gvrd. not even a good enough threat of getting stabbed or mugged to keep yourself on your toes.

also, i vote vancouver. i've been to seattle. i really liked it. but i'd definitely pick vancouver.
People come from all over to eat in Richmond. Much cheaper than flying to China.
 
I grew up in Seattle so I am biased, but I give my vote to Seattle. I live in Tokyo right now, but I definitely plan on going back to Seattle sooner than later. I've only visited Vancouver a few times on weekend trips with friends, but it is also a really nice city. I prefer Seattle, though.
 
I pick Seattle, and I'm Canadian. Something about Vancouver is not right for me, its way too liberal. Just seeing people shoot up in Downtown Vancouver made me real queasy about going back there again.

It feels really small too, like Ottawa. Not saying it's small, but it defintiely doesnt feel like a metropolis or anything. Maybe its because Im from Toronto, but I definitely found Vancouver very boring.

However, BC in general is a blast
 
TemplaerDude said:
the best asian food joints aren't even in richmond. over rated a ton.
Not really.
Richmond is awesome for eating and shopping.
Steveston has some nice scenery too.
Maybe you gotta be Asian to enjoy it.
 
rs7k said:
I pick Seattle, and I'm Canadian. Something about Vancouver is not right for me, its way too liberal. Just seeing people shoot up in Downtown Vancouver made me real queasy about going back there again.

It feels really small too, like Ottawa. Not saying it's small, but it defintiely doesnt feel like a metropolis or anything. Maybe its because Im from Toronto, but I definitely found Vancouver very boring.

However, BC in general is a blast

I'm from Calgary, and a surprisingly large number of young people I've met from Toronto want to move to Vancouver. Like one in two. I like the city a lot as a place to visit and I'd be happy to live there, but I prefer my own city (despite that there's not really much to get excited about in Calgary).

OP, I vote Vancouver!
 
Richmond has decent Chinese restaurants but it is vastly overrated as a whole. Eastside of Vancouver yields you some great Chinese restaurants and I being white feel more comfortable with my limited Cantonese ordering techinques in these restaurants than I do in Richmond. Less responsive to English in Richmond restaurants compared to Vancouver ones. Steveston is the only pleasant place out of all of Richmond though Gary Point is still a hole when so much more can be done.
 
My town lies pretty much between them. I just spent a weekend down in Seattle, and before that I spent some good time up in Vancouver.

Honestly? Vancouver is way more happenin'. Maybe it was just my luck but I went without knowing that we were going during some kind of zombie walk. FUCK that was awesome. I got lost in a parade of zombies while everyone was smearing Vancouver in fake blood :lol

That and outside of our hotel they had the most awesome graffiti I've ever seen in person.
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I wish they cars hadn't been parked out in front of Evangelion esque fan graffiti, but where the cars they added in a vehicle mode for the giant robots :D

Seattle I generally had to seek out fun things to do, in Vancouver fun stuff just sort of happened. That and people were usually too high to care in the area I was in so people were in general much less depressing than in seattle:lol

VQ
 
Thanks for all the input everyone! I think the overall impression I'm walking away from this thread with is... that I couldn't go wrong either way. (I hope that isn't a cop-out to anyone hoping to hear an actual winner :lol ) Vancouver seems to have a slight edge as far as the more interesting experience goes, but that might be balanced out by the fact that it'd be a more difficult move (visa and all).

I'll keep you all updated with whatever I end up doing!

Foxix said:
Seattle I generally had to seek out fun things to do, in Vancouver fun stuff just sort of happened.

This is the type of thing I'm really curious to hear more about...

BTW Eva-esque graffiti rocks!

Timedog said:
I went to Seattle and Vancouver once in the same weekend.

Definitely an interesting read :lol

Exclamation-One said:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/seattle-area/

In fact, while we're at it, those City-Data forums are an amazing resource for anyone looking to move to a new city. I would do some serious research - how long can you live in Canada with a work visa, cost of living, demographics, cultural events, etc.

Thanks for the link, ookmarked it and am going to use it for research :)

maharg said:
Your criteria is west coast, but somehow are limiting yourself to Seattle and Vancouver? Portland? San Francisco(/bay area in general)? Both of those have much better weather, are also quite liberal/outdoorsy, and international.

Well again, I'm not saying that Seattle and Vancouver are the only two places I'd possibly go, it's just that they are the ones that caught my eye. As for Portland... actually, I don't know anything about Portland at all. :lol I never hear people talk about it... anyone want to elaborate on what's awesome about Portland? California hasn't really been a focus right now because I've already been there so many times over the years (though I can definitely see myself maybe settling down there sometime in the future... there are a TON of opportunities in my industry there).

Part of what I'm looking for right now is the experience of living somewhere totally new and exciting.. hope that doesn't seem too immature or unrealistic, but it's something I've been obsessed with lately. Going through a bit of a quarter-life-crisis I guess? :P

You may have a harder time dealing with immigration into Canada than you're expecting. At the very least, it'll be a lot of paperwork, you'll probably need a company to sponsor you for a permanent visa .

Yeah, I wasn't expecting it to all come together too easily. Obviously I still have a ton of research to do, but right now my mindset is that I'm going to give whatever I decide my very best shot. I will definitely have backups, though.

WalkMan said:
Have you even been to either city? You should definitely have visited either option before upping and leaving there. A lot of people move to Seattle(Californians & Hawaiians) and get worn down by the weather over time and just can't take it.

Not a bad idea, and not out of the question... though I will say that weather is not a concern of mine at all.
 
AndersTheSwede said:
Oh and Seattle has fucking Lenin.

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Good lord! Crazy stuff like this is awesome.

ltse1 said:
Came to post this. Bryant Reeves, or Shawn Kemp? Either way, you lose.

Not a big sports fan actually, so I should be okay! I've definitely heard complaining about this sort of thing when the topic of Seattle comes up, though :lol
 
MrCheez said:
Good lord! Crazy stuff like this is awesome.

There's a troll not far from him too.

Also, I just found out that Ballard has Art Walks the second Saturday of every month. I can't go tomorrow as I have other plans, but damn if that isn't awesome.
 
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