lucablight
Member
Is any of the staff that worked on the original going to be involved in this?
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Secret of Mana Remake (PC/Vita/PS4, February 15th, 2018) Trailer
- Thread starter sinonobu
- Start date
Yeah... that looks like a high res PS2 game. FINE BY ME! It wasnt going to be HD sprites, and thank goodness it's not low-quality marionette-style 2D. I like seeing old-school art designs in this kinda 3d. For all the calls or it looking "generic"... not really? It might look similar to many mobile games, but it looks a quality rung above, and isn't as obviously inspired by modern anime art trends. Proven by how much more realized it looks than the already competent Adventure of Mana.
Diablo 3 didn't scratch my desire for a local co-op like Mana. Nice to see a remake of the real thing. I always said in the Tablet and cellphone-only days, that I'd love to see such projects reach console. Happy to prove it now. This is preferred over decades of hibernation.
Diablo 3 didn't scratch my desire for a local co-op like Mana. Nice to see a remake of the real thing. I always said in the Tablet and cellphone-only days, that I'd love to see such projects reach console. Happy to prove it now. This is preferred over decades of hibernation.
OK. This looks pretty ugly.
Went from overjoyed to 0 care within the same 2 minutes and I feel empty.
I mean, might as well just play the original at this point, nothing wrong with that. Certainly not paying that much for this.
"ps2 game", shall I remind you of the games that were on ps2 ? Especially RPGs ?
This just looks like a mobile game.
SinCityAssassin
Member
Some Secret of Mana people, including the director, work at Grezzo now, which recently launched Ever Oasis on 3DS.
Whogie
Member
Just a hunch that moving to 3D will change the feel of the gameplay a lot. When paired with that cheap art style I don't get the feeling this port will pay much attention to detail.
Small nitpick, but I remember the arena being much much bigger in that fight. Somehow the sprites to map ratio seems off.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Looks ugly.
I would have prefered the Mana collection which also include Seiken Densetu 3.
And even if they eventually remake Seiken 3... It already is one of the best looking 16 bit games, every sprite is just gorgeous and filled with details. If we finally get that game in the west but have to suffer such a garbage artstyle... Ugh.
I would have prefered the Mana collection which also include Seiken Densetu 3.
And even if they eventually remake Seiken 3... It already is one of the best looking 16 bit games, every sprite is just gorgeous and filled with details. If we finally get that game in the west but have to suffer such a garbage artstyle... Ugh.
Pre-order up on Amazon Japan.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/s/?url=sea...36465860662n&ref_=ptw_MDR_6_5_15036465860662n
Edit: And looks like they ship oversea (PS4 version)!
Edi2: And just in case you missed it. The Amazon Japan limited bonus is a "user manual in original Seiken Densetsu 2 style" (as in the one included with the original Super Famicom game).
https://www.amazon.co.jp/s/?url=sea...36465860662n&ref_=ptw_MDR_6_5_15036465860662n
Edit: And looks like they ship oversea (PS4 version)!
Edi2: And just in case you missed it. The Amazon Japan limited bonus is a "user manual in original Seiken Densetsu 2 style" (as in the one included with the original Super Famicom game).
SinCityAssassin
Member
If you can afford to localize this one, you can afford to localize the third one in the Switch collection eh Square?
Cover looks fine though, keep it original.
It's... not that ugly, especially compared with the AoM remake, but doesn't look very good either. In the end the remake only strikes me as a "we HAVE to make it 3D" with not much thinking behind that, artistic direction what's that?
We've yet to see how it looks overall though, but I don't expect much.
It's not really an improvement in the end, dub may attract more people but it's pretty cringe as is, lack of Switch is a bit troubling (not hard to see why though), especially after the Seiken collection, but at least Square Enix was smart enough to not announce that remake first and release the Seiken collection afterwards.
We've yet to see how it looks overall though, but I don't expect much.
It's not really an improvement in the end, dub may attract more people but it's pretty cringe as is, lack of Switch is a bit troubling (not hard to see why though), especially after the Seiken collection, but at least Square Enix was smart enough to not announce that remake first and release the Seiken collection afterwards.
take the hint Capcpom
Muskieratboi
Member
*screams internally*
...
*screams externally*
Sounds like you didn't play the SD1 remake that they released on phones and vita. It controls pretty much identically to the original, even trying to copy some of the bad quirks of the original controls. It's just in 3D.
Serenade_King
Banned
That's what I'm hoping too since I remember starting SoM like 3 times and never got into it, and I never played AoM. But SD3 now that I played and loved! Hopefully that one gets a phisical release in NA.
The original game was extremely vibrant and full of color and life. These bland, low-poly visuals don't really capture the spirit of the original or look good on their own merits. I mean... there's more detail and realism in the original SNES version:
Look at the care put into the shading on that pixel art to make the architecture look rounded and deep, now look at how flat and plain the actual 3D version looks in comparison. Details like the keystones in the arches are also missing, and the way those bricks awkwardly wrap along that bottom corner is pretty lazy. It just looks cheap as hell and doesn't do justice to the quality of the original art.
The original game is honestly pretty rough in some spots. I'd like to think this is an opportunity to restore the planned CD content and realize all the original potential. If they pull that off, it'll be a far better game, no matter how bad it looks.
ronaldthump
Member
3d? eh ... oh, yuckk
CamHostage
Member
I do think the game deserved more love and attention in finally getting a remake (would have been nice if Square Enix actually had found anything lost from the SNES CD content, which was said to cause the disjointed feeling in the game from its removal.) It's too special and it's been too long for this to be the "definitive" revival.
That said, Adventures of Mana is widely said to be faithful to its original (Final Fantasy Adventure), surprisingly so, to a fault even (it could have been a better game, but instead, they made it faithful to the good and bad of the old GB game.) The sword-strokes and directional movement of AoM are much less limited than the GB game's four-way movement, but it didn't seem to actually change the battle mechanics much. If Secret of Mana replicates the game in the same way, it should be just as good and just as bad as its predecessor at recreating the original... but, with these graphics.
Could have used online though...
Toadthemushroom
Member
The quality of the visual adaptation looks as disappointing as Adventure of Mana's adaptation of Game Boy visuals.
The static, low-poly inanimate objects just aren't a good translation from pixel art, though it fares better from its predecessor in how the developers don't need to recreate a grid of trees or objects which looked fine on the Game Boy due to the screen resolution and window being tiny.
I'm surprised this is 4800 yen as well. That probably explains why it's not on iOS and Android this time, since price parity wouldn't fly on those formats.
The game deserves better at any rate. While Metroid: Samus Returns, another 2D-3D remake out within the same period may not be to everyone's tastes, there's no debate that MercurySteam's handling of that game's presentation is eons ahead of this.
The static, low-poly inanimate objects just aren't a good translation from pixel art, though it fares better from its predecessor in how the developers don't need to recreate a grid of trees or objects which looked fine on the Game Boy due to the screen resolution and window being tiny.
I'm surprised this is 4800 yen as well. That probably explains why it's not on iOS and Android this time, since price parity wouldn't fly on those formats.
The game deserves better at any rate. While Metroid: Samus Returns, another 2D-3D remake out within the same period may not be to everyone's tastes, there's no debate that MercurySteam's handling of that game's presentation is eons ahead of this.
I am actually a bit torn on this. I like that they make a remake of this great game and that it will be fully voiced and has dual audio.
However, Square made so many great RPGs back in the day and they choose Secret of Mana, which will already be part of the SNES Classic which releases a few months earlier. That's a bit of a letdown.
However, Square made so many great RPGs back in the day and they choose Secret of Mana, which will already be part of the SNES Classic which releases a few months earlier. That's a bit of a letdown.
Alex_Mexico
Member
The PS4 version better support local co-op! They wouldn't add online co-op but skip local, right?
Sure. The composer is supervising the new arranged soundtrack. Whatever that means.
Whogie
Member
Makes me a bit hopeful. At the very least the hit boxes on some bosses should be more obvious in this version.
Edit: Makes me wonder if they'll keep whiffing if you attack when an enemy is getting up. Or chaining spells.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
omfg.
(no switch
True, and no Xbox. Despite lately more and more Japanese games coming to it. And this is Square Enix. Shame.
exmachina64
Banned
Hmm...
Might buy this, never played the original.
Might buy this, never played the original.
Out of left field.
I'll be getting this for sure, maybe not at release but I'll definitely get this. Adventures of Mana was a fun play through, so I expect this to be in the same league.
I wonder what the chances of getting that Star Ocean Second Evolution PS4/Vita port or Saga Scarlet Grace localization are now? Likely still nil, but for those interested in this game, or mildly interested, lets show Square the Vita is still worth it.
I'll be getting this for sure, maybe not at release but I'll definitely get this. Adventures of Mana was a fun play through, so I expect this to be in the same league.
I wonder what the chances of getting that Star Ocean Second Evolution PS4/Vita port or Saga Scarlet Grace localization are now? Likely still nil, but for those interested in this game, or mildly interested, lets show Square the Vita is still worth it.
CamHostage
Member
It's only local co-op. So good on one hand, bad on the other.
I wouldn't have minded if the whole game was remade in the Flash-style layered art of the trailer's Mana Tree intro (before it cuts to 3D), though that pasted-on look bugs a lot of people, so Square could have made a number of bad art decisions; full-3D is at least a sensible choice for this era, and they've at least improved it over Adventures of Mana.
There IS a comparison screen of the SNES version inlaid on every one of the gameplay screenshots, but I would have to imagine that was done by PR and is not a gameplay feature?
I remember them. I also remember all of them weren't big budget, and that never bothered me much. Things like Ephemeral Phantasia of Suikoden 3 don't look too off from this. And they weren't made to simultaneously release on a handheld either.
But alongside that, I'm happy with how simple it looks. The designs aren't made overly-modern with unfitting details (like the Dawn of Mana hero), the UI is classic, and it's not forcing itself to look all that updated or modern.
It's not ideal, but it looks more than functional, and like a nice step forward from AOM. I like some designs in a moble game like marvel future fight as much or more than console / pc counterparts. Looking similar to a mobile game isnt all that bad now-a-days.
Yeah, in retrospect, I think you're right.
SinCityAssassin
Member
Should've went the Octopath Traveler way.
I don't think that's the SNES version. It looks like the Android version:
SNES
Android
The architecture in the thumbnail matches that Android version. The original SNES is the most coherent and pleasing one to look at in any case.
Bjoern the Smexy
Member
sixteen-bit
Member
I wish this was seiken densetsu 3