Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Die Squirrel Die said:
Yeah, I've always wondered why SEGA can't recycle assets from Yakuza's engine. Hell, you could easily just do a skin job on it and it would be fine.
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Sega talks Shenmue's Future in Famitsu
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Yeah, I've always wondered why SEGA can't recycle assets from Yakuza's engine. Hell, you could easily just do a skin job on it and it would be fine.
riskVSreward
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NO YOU CANNOT!Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Yes, See Indigo Prophecy. I can deal with a little because in the end Shenmue is really a Hong Kong action movie. I mean I've seen tons of great modern day (made in the second golden age from the early 1980s to 1997) Hong Kong films that used magic and it worked fine. Then again Sammo Hung isn't making this game. :lolHimuro said:That twist was okay. I just don't want a Shenmue game full of mysticism. In gulps it's cool, like when Shenhua blows a bunch of flowers or whatevah with one of her farts, but a whole game dedicated to it?
riskVSreward said:
:lol
Seriously, I mean considering how fast Yakuza 4 was made after Yakuza 3, the engine must be pretty well developed and easy to work with.
Himuro said:
The way the whole mirror thing was going wasn't good for us. The story stated the owner of both mirrors would be able to destroy the world. Seemed like Lan Di would end up with the mirrors, summon a dragon or something stupid, Ryo would have to fight it and save all of mankind.
Not exactly the personal revenge tale I was hoping for, but then maybe I'm wrong.
OutlawSamurai
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
So with ya on that one considering Yakuza seems an updated version of Shenmue
jetsetfluken
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There's actually people in here defending the magic stuff? Go get your fix elsewhere, like 80% of other games. Shenmue = realism.
Good thing Shenmue Online never came out. (in the way they had it planned with hadoukens at least)
Good thing Shenmue Online never came out. (in the way they had it planned with hadoukens at least)
riskVSreward
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So what are you proposing? That we talk about Shenmue 3 without mentioning THE GIANT FLOATING SWORD AND MAGIC FUCKING CAVE? Just act like that didn't happen? Shenmue = game.jetsetfluken said:
Himuro said:This is me.
I think you're taking this a touch too seriously. This is a game. I'm not suggesting that they should make another and shit all over the prior titles just to piss off its dedicated fanbase, but apparently it was already heading in that direction and the point is to make something that is enjoyable and marketable.
riskVSreward
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You probably wouldn't directly fight the dragon, but rather destroy the mirror or whatever it's life force is. You yank the mirror from Lan Di's corpse and give it a Hazuki Drop FTW.Himuro said:
lachesis
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Jcgamer60 said:
So in your opinion, Shenmue doesn't need any updates to appeal more to the mass, except graphics?
Backflip said:
Yes. I like them too. But if the reducing the cost makes the better chance of getting it re-made, it's a worthy sacrifice to me to see the end of Ryo and Shenhua's adventure. Also, I don't see why it can't be simplified. Simplified control of selecting an object to interact. Opening and searching it is one thing, it's too complicated at the moment. first you have to zoom, guide wait till it locks to the certain object, press button to grab it, and you can rotate it around to see all 360 degree of the object... I think they spent little too much on such details.
Yes, the details are what makes the Shenmue tick, but it's also one of the things that brought down Shenmue all together. They need to find a better balance - especially economically and all.
ajim said:
You can call me a "desperate" shenmue fan, because I'm dying to see the end.
I have 2 DC's dedicated for Shenmue I and II, US, JP, and European versions. I even have Xbox for Shenmue II. A lot of the times, I have max items, including those damn gachapons and I even have slot certificates, 1 coin finish certificates for most arcade games, etc. I stopped playing Shenmue II for Xbox, though - because I knew once I finish the game, there will be no more of Shenmue in my life... even though I've finished the DC version of Shenmue II (European and JP ver) several times before.
Yes. I think I'm a pretty certifiable Shenmue fan. It always gets my heart pumping, just to hear the possiblity of Shenmue III.
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Also they need a serious re-write on the script, especially Ryo. Yes, Nozomi's worried about Ryo's vengence - but as a player, I don't see such desire in Ryo at all. Always so polite to everyone, doing dishes and all. I'd liked to see a funeral scene. I'd like to see some desperation on Ryo's end. But what does he do in the game? He dreams about a man in silk dress, like he's masterbating or something, then with just a plain face, he walks off to seek a revenge his father, so he calls. I want some more of vengence and violence in him. God Damnit, Ryo - your father was freaking KILLED in front you. And how old is he? He's blood boiling teen-ager... but he certainly doesn't act like a teen-ager boy.
I'm not sure of what this whole story is going to end like - but I'm relatively certain, that the story is about friendship and maybe about forgiveness. I'm sure Lan Di isn't just a guy who is just cold-hearted. There must be a reason for his vengence as well.
If Shenmue wants to re-appeal to the audience of modern day.. it needs some vast improvement in storytelling as well, In my humble opinion.
Himuro said:
I wasn't implying that you actually meant you'd kill yourself, just that it was a joking way in which you suggested how upset you would be.
And I'm not embracing magic and mysticism in games for the hell of it. If they think it's what is needed to make the title more interesting or fun to more people, and it's handled in a way that respects the tone of the series, then they do it. If they're adding it just for shits and giggles, then yeah, I'm not cool with that.
Himuro said:
Don't get me wrong, after all that build up (beginning of S1, the rooftop bit in S2 =O) we'd get the Lan Di fight. But the game was building up to something bigger. I forgot half the things that happened -- but with Shenhua, the magic, mirrors, etc. if the series ended with you beating the shit out of Lan Di and ending with Lan Di lying on the ground yelling 'go on, then! Finish me off!' and Ryo replying 'No, I'm not like you' then walking off into the sunset with Nozomi on his arms (who suddenly returned from Canada) I'd be surprised.
Himuro said:
Magic/mysticism in most games is presented in a silly way. Shenmue wouldn't treat magic like Final Fantasy does, obviously, and as I said before, I doubt the game would end with a dragon descending from the heavens.
Then again, I'm probably giving Yu Suzuki waaay too much credit. If I had created Shenmue to be subtle with its use of magic then there is no fucking way I would have anything to do with Shenmue Online. What kills me is that the guy intended the story of Shenmue to continue through the MMO.
Augemitbutter
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i don't care which direction shenmue will take as long as it is made by yu suzuki.
jetsetfluken
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lachesis said:
I know this is going to sound generic, but dude, fuck the masses.
Shenmue has a strong enough cult following that the game would do pretty well, and it was in the spotlight for at least some time when the original was released.
Shenmue 2's NA Xbox release was marketed terribly and released at an awkward time, that doesn't count.
riskVSreward
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:lol
Foliorum Viridum
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How big is Yakuza 3 in terms of scale, though? I've not played it yet since it isn't out over here til March, but the first two didn't seem nearly as expansive as Shenmue was. To do Shenmue 3 correctly - staying true to the first two games - I think it would be hard to keep costs down. Maybe it wouldn't be anywhere near $100mil or whatever the Dreamcast ones cost, but certainly in the area where profitability was questionable.ArjanN said:
I totally agree with you, Himuro, by the way. A small dose of magic insanity is okay, but the best thing about Shenmue was wasting hours in the gritty streets, going to work, managing your time correctly etc. Shooting fireballs like in the Shenmue Online stuff is a big no-no. :lol
Foliorum Viridum said:
Dunno, you can also waste a LOT of time in Yakuza in minigames/subquests etc.
It also depends how long you'd want Shenmue 3 to be. If they just make it less chapters, the detail could stay about the same.
And I'd be fine with the mystical stuff if they'd keep it on the level of, say, the Indiana Jones movies.
Earl Cazone
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJsUhPT7MBk
watch it. If the game would have turned ouit like that, with shenhua transforming etc, i would have been very disappointed.
watch it. If the game would have turned ouit like that, with shenhua transforming etc, i would have been very disappointed.
Foliorum Viridum
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Urgh, I tried to forget that trailer. I was so excited to see them in new graphics etc, but the rest of that trailer is awful.
With that said, I never used it as an indication to what Shenmue 3 would be if it were released.
With that said, I never used it as an indication to what Shenmue 3 would be if it were released.
Freshmaker
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Is it ever stated that they actually transform? Seemed more like a figurative confrontation at the end rather than a literal one.Earl Cazone said:
BlazeHedgehog
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Himuro said:
I like Shenmue really lots, but what I am saying is what I consider a realistic outcome. In crazy magical gumdrop land of dreams and hopes and wishes, we'd be on Shenmue 6 by now.
But Shenmue did not return Sega's investment. So, Sega dropped it like a bad habit. It sucks - it really does - that the game spent so much effort to anchor you to Ryo Hazuki only to end on an unresolved cliffhanger, but them's the breaks when you spend 8 figures.
Look at NiGHTS. There was an 11 year gap between the Sega Saturn original and Journey of Dreams on the Wii. Was Journey of Dreams a direct sequel? Not really. Outside of a few unlockables, the game had no obvious ties to suggest it was a continuation of the original NiGHTS. New city, new kids, new designs for everything contained within.
The Shenmue 3 that fans expect and have been yearning for is dead and buried. The truth hurts, I know, but this is a fact people need to come to terms with. After years of being teased and following Shenmue Dojo, I know it's not going to happen that way. If it was going to, it would've happened 7 years ago.
But it didn't. That trail is cold now. If Shenmue 1 and 2 didn't return Sega's investment, following with a Shenmue 3 in that exact same mold does not make any financial sense to those who have the money to govern whether or not this game gets made. That's just how it is, and the sooner Shenmue fans come to accept this, the happier we will all be.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Thinking about it, Shenmue would be a great Natal title.
SecretBonusPoint
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NiGHTS barely had a story at all. Using that as an example of 'series reboot' is pretty dumb. What you are arguing happened, we got Yakuza.
If Shenmue came back, it would be a continuation otherwise there would be no point. Stop arguing completely absurd groundless hypotheticals.
If Shenmue came back, it would be a continuation otherwise there would be no point. Stop arguing completely absurd groundless hypotheticals.
BlazeHedgehog
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Jcgamer60 said:
Just because "the Shenmue 3 that fans expect and have been yearning for is dead and buried" does not mean Shenmue as a brand name is dead.
Foliorum Viridum
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How much is the Shenmue brand worth to people who aren't the vocal minority, though? Change the game too much and you lose sales from the hardcore base, and then you're left with the rest of the market who never invested in the name in the first place. Doesn't seem worth it.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Exactly why I'm not that interested in seeing a Spiderman reboot.Foliorum Viridum said:
Earl Cazone said:
Holy shit. I never watched that because I refused to accept Shenmue Online would ever exist (it apparently worked). That's terrible and the antithesis of what the games seemed to be about.
This eloquent youtube commenter sums it up well, which is a rare occurrence:
"THIS IS THE GAME I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR?!? If this is where SHENMUE is heading, I'd rather stay in the dark. For crying out loud I haven't played a game since Shenmue... That's how compelling a story this is. If i wanted dragons and magic attacks and levitating swords i'd play final fantasy or whatever is played these days. Culture, a dark obsession, reality, untapped potential, friendship, drama & perhaps the greatest music ever composed for a game or movie ever. This is what Shenmue is(was?!?)"
goldenpp72
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Im pretty sure shenmue was heading towards magic and what not, considering things in the first 2 games had elements of being other worldly, magic mirrors and laser beams hitting them apparently isn't a tip off.
That said, I did appreciate how grounded shenmue was.
That said, I did appreciate how grounded shenmue was.
ajim
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Dude, they were always 'magical', and there was ALWAYS going to be magic, its just a matter of how much and how crazy they were going to take it. What we saw in Shenmue Online doesn't necessarily represent what was going to happen in Shenmue in the slightest. It made sense for an MMORPG to be like that and to exaggerate the magic in Shenmue more than anything.Himuro said:
Getting angry/upset over what was planned from the very beginning in 1994 or whenever doesn't make any sense.
John Dunbar
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Himuro said:
One problem I always did have was that there was no feasible way Ryo could ever beat Lan Di in a fair one on one fight. Sure, Ryo has improved from his first fight with him, but still in Shenmue II Xiuying couldn't even be hit, and I'd imagine Lan Di would smack her around easily. Only if Ryo would practise for years or use magic could he beat Lan Di.
jay said:
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was Shenmue at its core, and that 2006 trailer contains a lot of what would have happened in Shenmue III or IV. The original game was meant to be Sega's big RPG for the Saturn/DC after all, only a lot more detailed.
I thought it was very clear at the least, that the plot was going to dive into both Chinese kungfu art and Oriental mysticism - the original Project Berkeley video does drop a whole bunch of hints.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ6-QRThA8A
Much like Shadow the Hedgehog fanfic, it might have been a blessing that Sega canned the MMO.
John Dunbar said:
It would probably have a DBZ/Shonen-esque progression.
Chai was the last fight in Shenmue 1 and Dou Niu was the final battle in Shenmue 2, and these are both pretty 'silly' antagonists.
I think in Shenmue 3 they would have stepped things up by introducing Chi You Men members (Xiuying's brother?), then knowing video game writers, Xiuying would have eventually turned into damsel in distress and Ryo would surpass her.
gamergirly
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Scribble said:
I always thought of Shenmue as a progressive series too. Maybe by Shenmue 5, Ryo would be able to defeat Lan Di. But the way things are going, it will take some real world "magic" to get Shenmue 3
Oh yeah, Yu Suzuki had plans for what, five games?
If Shenmue 3 happened, I'm guessing they'd complete the story with a trilogy. So we would end up getting an abridged version of the original story.
'Oh, Lan Di's secret base is hidden in the Guilin mountains!'
In our lifetime, someone will invent an extremely user-friendly version of Game Maker that can create 3D games. When that happens, Shenmue will return.
If Shenmue 3 happened, I'm guessing they'd complete the story with a trilogy. So we would end up getting an abridged version of the original story.
'Oh, Lan Di's secret base is hidden in the Guilin mountains!'
In our lifetime, someone will invent an extremely user-friendly version of Game Maker that can create 3D games. When that happens, Shenmue will return.
NeoGIF
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NeoGIF said:
That was absolutely spot on (And it was published today!)
Anyone who has played Shenmue should read it. And I agree, even if Shenmue 3 doesn't get made, it doesn't mean that the essence of the series can't be captured in other games. I wouldn't give a shit about Shenmue 3 if there was just, I dunno, just one game that built directly on its foundation.
lachesis
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NeoGIF said:
Nice article.
Well, that's the reason why first Shenmue was such a different gem, but it also explains the series' eventual flop. First one, albeit was very noble in its concept - yet it was borderline playable tech demonstration for many. I loved every moment, but it was certainly not for everyone. If it needs to appeal to the mass... it needs some drastic changes, I believe...