Straight Edge
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Would rebuy a port of Valkyria Chronicles on PS4...
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SEGA: We want to regain customers' trust, learned a lot from Atlus; TGS announcement
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GAF lets me down once in a while but I see the Valkyria and Sakura Wars love (needs more) and then I'm good.
The timing is pretty good for these comments as indeed the PS4 is strong in the West and there are some indicators (the story of PXZ2, among other things) that there's a frustrated audience for "Japanese" games out there wanting to be catered to. The problem is just finding a way to make room for these releases amongst all the other junk that gets pushed in the West - there's a lot to buy. On the one hand, fewer franchises are active and Konami is almost completely out of the game, but Sega has to essentially regain ground. And for the relevant audience - the voices are pretty clear. While they've made some headway in the past few years with things like DFBC and Project DIVA series, they aren't enough to cut it.
It's not impossible though. Look at the return to form the Tales series had. I remember the dark pre ToGf times. And now Bamco seems to be trying with Tekken and Soul Calibur.
The timing is pretty good for these comments as indeed the PS4 is strong in the West and there are some indicators (the story of PXZ2, among other things) that there's a frustrated audience for "Japanese" games out there wanting to be catered to. The problem is just finding a way to make room for these releases amongst all the other junk that gets pushed in the West - there's a lot to buy. On the one hand, fewer franchises are active and Konami is almost completely out of the game, but Sega has to essentially regain ground. And for the relevant audience - the voices are pretty clear. While they've made some headway in the past few years with things like DFBC and Project DIVA series, they aren't enough to cut it.
It's not impossible though. Look at the return to form the Tales series had. I remember the dark pre ToGf times. And now Bamco seems to be trying with Tekken and Soul Calibur.
I think they can still have an identity without being split off into semi-autonomous companies. AM2 has a distinct identity. CS1 and CS2 are Team Yakuza and Sonic Team, which have strong identities.
And while I've argued a bit in this thread that Sega still has a lot of operational studios capable of making home console (and PC) games, I have to admit that talent exodus is a problem that's struck Sega. Just one example:
Part of Smilebit, AM6, (as well as the head of Hitmaker, AM3,) was broken off in 2000 to become United Game Artists, which called itself AM9 when making Space Channel 5. It also made Rez. Ahead of the 2004 restructuring of all of Sega's studios, much of United Game Artists was absorbed into Sonic Team (AM8) — but that drove away the studio head, Tetsuya Mizuguchi, and a bunch of staff. They left Sega and formed Q Entertainment, creating the Meteos, Lumines, Every Extend Extra and Ninety-Nine Nights franchises, as well as Child of Light. Those could have been Sega games.
Then of course you have Yu Suzuki leaving AM2 and becoming an "adviser" to Sega while starting his own studio, YS.Net, and you have Yuji Naka leaving Sonic Team with nearly a dozen others to start up Prope, which is still affiliated with Sega but not owned by it.
And if anyone's wondering where the director of the Panzer Dragoon games, Yukio Futatsugi, went, he made Phantom Dust at Microsoft before joining up with Mineko Okamura (who worked at United Game Artists!) at her company, Grounding Inc., where they made Crimson Dragon. They make iPhone games now, though.
Thanks!
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I've been curious about this so did a few minutes of research on it. The first batch of people is studio heads and the second batch is just people who worked on games I personally think are significant. Obviously there are a lot more employees at the company so this is not close to being close to exhaustive.
Edit: The studio names in the first column are historic studios, which preceded the studio names in the second column.
good stuff, man
CertifiedFP
Member
I mean, well, Valkyria Chronicles has outsold all the Final Fantasy games on Steam except for VII (According to SteamSpy), there's certainly a market for VC2 and 3. Hell, I think the whole "Graphics" argument against VC2 and 3 is kinda invalidated when FF7's Steam sales are 800k~ and is the worst looking of the FF games on Steam.
Gambit 1138
Banned
Let me put it this way, there is a reason Sega didnt green light the game and MS and Sony opted out of publishing it themselves.
Smilebit has always made sports game, they were the original developers for the "Let's Make A... Team" series. Infact the people who created the Jet Set Radio were the ones merged into what has become the Ryu Ga Gotoku Studio and the rest split to make the sports division.
Upsidedown Fuji
Member
I do live in Japan but living here has nothing to do with my ability to play but more how and who I want to play with. I just want more options than just Japanese servers. This game deserves international audiences and it was a very short sighted move to never bring it to the west after announcing it in the west.
This game deserves to be international like the last one on the Dreamcast,PC, and GameCube. It shouldn't require patching and fussing to get people outside the region to play. I played the Japanese version for a while but my friends back stateside don't want to bother with all the extra steps. So I pretty much gave up following the scene. Hence my desire for this game to be in the west.
I right gotcha, I understand now.
I'm not sure why it's been such a huge issue for them, especially with their PC focus too. Flies in the face of what they're doing and I can only guess they didn't get arrangements for someone to help co-publish it for them in the West or something.
Canis lupus
Member
I dont think Smilebit has anything to do with the yakuza studio. Yakuza studio has roots in Amusement Vision which itself was AM11 before Nagoshi took over. Smilebit was successor of AM6.
Amusement Vision and Smilebit were merged to become what is now Ryu Ga Gotoku Studio. People like Masayoshi Kikuchi and Masayoshi Yokoyama were part of the Jet Set Radio team before moving on and becoming part of the Yakuza development staff.
No, he's correct. Check my flowchart.
Most of Smilebit went on to become Sports R&D, while a smaller portion moved into Team Yakuza. Meanwhile, most of Amusement Vision formed Team Yakuza while a smaller portion joined Sports R&D.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Oh, I forgot all about them saying there was gonna be Bayo news in 2015.This made me happy, really. I'm glad that they know what the costumer want. Looking forward to TGS!
P.S: PG said some Bayonetta news will be coming in 2015, and we haven't had any yet, so maybe TGS? I hope SEGA gets back to the Bayonetta series
IronicSonic
Member
I agree with you. I've been following Futatsugi, Mizuguchi and Naka's journey out of Sega (I preordered Rodea for instance) and I wish that they returns to Sega in the future. I really hope that Sega gives some freedom to their teams to create new things too.
For example, I believe that Sonic Team is currently developing Sonic 25th and supporting PSO2 but I think that a small team could be working in something else as brilliant as Nights, Chuchu Rocket or Burning Rangers
I don't remember this? I just googled around and I guess it's true.
But I don't know what exactly they'd plan to do. Maybe a spinoff? I know Kamiya said he didn't mind doing a small game on Jeanne at some point.
The issue with doing the releases on Steam is the the games will look awful if they are just left that way. They'd also have to completely localize the third game.
You're left with a pair of games that will look awful cost more to port and do not have the same reputation as the first game has. VC seems to have done well on Steam but it's a game they had already made thier money on, was in good shape for a port and was priced at $20 with a lot of the sales priced even lower.
Basically what I'm saying is it's a lot riskier than you seem to view it as. I'm not saying it would lose money, but I could see it being a failure largely because these games aren't going to hold up as well for a number of reasons.
Castef
Banned
Nice Sega, nice.
Now. Here is what you are about to announce then:
- HD Remaster of Skies of Arcadia (Legends)
- Sega Racing Collection: Includes HD versions of Daytona, Sega Rally, the recent Out Run and of course Scud Racer.
- Do you remember that Panzer Dragoon Saga?
- Put a proper Nights sequel into production. This time with a bit of budget too.
And, most of all...
- Produce a f%%king nice 2D Sonic game.
This could be a nice start.
Now. Here is what you are about to announce then:
- HD Remaster of Skies of Arcadia (Legends)
- Sega Racing Collection: Includes HD versions of Daytona, Sega Rally, the recent Out Run and of course Scud Racer.
- Do you remember that Panzer Dragoon Saga?
- Put a proper Nights sequel into production. This time with a bit of budget too.
And, most of all...
- Produce a f%%king nice 2D Sonic game.
This could be a nice start.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
They can start with a new Daytona USA game. I think the NASCAR video game license changed hands again, and that this year's title is the last one for Eutechnyx.
Or they can just get Microsoft to fund it as an Xbox One exclusive, they already have the Daytona International Speedway licence since that track is set to appear in Forza Motorsport 6.
Or a new Crazy Taxi by Stainless Games. Just take the Carmageddon: Reincarnation engine, remove the pedestrian murdering, and take it from there.
Or they can just get Microsoft to fund it as an Xbox One exclusive, they already have the Daytona International Speedway licence since that track is set to appear in Forza Motorsport 6.
Get sonic and start again.
And outrun.
and shenmue 1 and 2 HD.
and a new Crazi Taxi by criterion
Or a new Crazy Taxi by Stainless Games. Just take the Carmageddon: Reincarnation engine, remove the pedestrian murdering, and take it from there.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
No matter how much this is legit or not... it's still nice to hear a public statement from companies that basically say "Yea we fucked up."
So refreshing especially during these times of constant consumer bashing/blaming.
So refreshing especially during these times of constant consumer bashing/blaming.
Hero of Legend
Member
It's likely and by Atlus since they're bringing over Stella Glow to NA and NISA is bringing Stella Glow to EU.
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
Make the Insomniac guys make a new Space Harrier!
Yup. I'd rather have PDS remake instead of FF7. I mean I want FF7, but PDS MOAR!
I'll keep my fingers crossed, then. I would love to see a 7th Dragon game finally leave Japan.
I enjoyed that game immensely.
It's one of the few Model 3 games I never got to even see in arcades.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Well, one easy and cost-free thing they can do now if they want to ingratiate themselves with current and past consumers of theirs is to okay all the X360 games they can for BC on X1. I'd love to play VF 5, VF5FS as well as VF2, Fighting Vipers, and their M2 emulations again on the newer system than be forced to buy again.
Voysa Reezun
Banned
Alpha Protocol 2, please.
Also, more budget titles. I want another Sega Soccer Slam!
Also, more budget titles. I want another Sega Soccer Slam!
Askherserenity
Member
There's nothing that will make "fans" excited and at the same time, make Sega money.
Really interested in what it is. Hope it works out for them.
Really interested in what it is. Hope it works out for them.
MightyHedgehog
Member
If they put their already released X360 GoD/XBLA games into the X1 digital store via BC, they can do both. Other than that, they can make better choices about who they serve first and stop wasting money appealing to an audience that isn't there, as they do with the constant and terrible reinventions of Sonic. They need to stop the AAA envy that many Japanese publishers got caught up in last gen and get back to basics.
Icyflamez96
Member
The Mario Galixification of Sonic incoming
petran79
Banned
http://www.destructoid.com/sega-kno...atlus-taught-it-how-to-be-better-295533.phtml
Good to know that he's looking at what people are saying about SEGA online at least.
By the way, the interview was done by the new CEO of the SEGA Games division.
Imagine valkyria chronicles with development oversight from atlus.....
CertifiedFP
Member
Hmm, just on the tip of my mind, with how aggressively Sega has been pushing VC1 on Steam, with constant sales and being Day 1 Top of Front Page on the 2015 Summer Sale, anyone think something is being teased? I mean, most of their previous non-Sonic PC ports dropped out of relevance after their first month, opposite of how Sega is doing their damnest to keep VC1 relevant on Steam.
(Though I guess it might have to do with Valkyria Chronicles basically being their best selling non-Sonic PC port, hell, in fact outselling most of the Sonic games on Steam)
(Though I guess it might have to do with Valkyria Chronicles basically being their best selling non-Sonic PC port, hell, in fact outselling most of the Sonic games on Steam)
CertifiedFP
Member
Easy there cowboy, we can start with the one that people here have been waiting four years for.
sixteen-bit
Member
Sonic Lost Galaxy
QuantumZebra
Member
From the looks of it FFXV isn't saving anything
'From the looks of it'? I dunno. FF15 has potential to be an amazing game, even though a lot of the mystique has been lost
Iva Demilcol
Member
Bayonetta and Bayonetta 2 for XB1, PS4 and PC confirmed.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Just a new video game that IS for consoles.