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Senator Hatch: Obama will attack Romney's Mormon faith
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Wolfgunblood Garopa
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preemptive rightwing victim complex strike
Pollux
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2012 and Rick Santorum.
SteveWinwood
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ELECTION SEASON!
sparky2112
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Maybe I'm just not paying attention, but I always thought Hatch was one of the less dickish Rethuglicans. Turns out, nope, he's right up there.
To call it as bad as Scientology is ridiculous. Scientology preys on the weak-minded and bankrupts them. Mormons aren't really looking for money or converts.
I guess it is like Scientology in the "Yeah, this religion is so obviously a fraud I don't get how people believe in it" sort of way.
PhoenixDark
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Ironically the republican base has more of a problem with Mormonism than democrats.
Pollux
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SteveWinwood
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Wut
That's one way to earn a tag.
ErasureAcer
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lmao. Best comment so far.
Hatch is crazy. I remember him saying how he wants people's computers to self-destruct if they watch porn.
Invisible_Insane
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I think the thing they have most in common is the sense that theirs is a particularly new-seeming kind of ridiculousness, and thus anyone falling for it is particularly silly.
Another commonality: the founders of both are of notably suspect credibility.
Deified Data
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That's what I meant, yes, as in "people who genuinely believe this should have their intelligence and sanity questioned". I won't get too in-depth because I don't feel like being banned. Suffice it to say, tithing is mandatory in Mormonism, so they sort of do milk their members. Not to the extent of Scientology, of course, but it's the same principle.
It's the whole regarding blacks as subhuman until 1975 bit that disturbs me.
PS - Nice Sisters avatar.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Democrats as a whole supported segregation and were against civil rights until the 1960s. Things (and people) change.
He is exceedingly devout. The fact that you think otherwise just means his team has been good about hiding it.
DR2K
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The straws aren't going to grasp themselves you know.
Pollux
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Is he really? (no sarcasm)
Invisible_Insane
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Do they not have bootstraps?
He gives them a great deal of money, for one thing.
And their present day suppression of gay rights. If it weren't for those two things, I wouldn't have a problem with them.
I'm wondering if (I think it was) Colbert's account about his great grandfather emigrating to Mexico with his 5 wives to avoid religious persecution (with pictures of all of them) was accurate.
Mr. B Natural
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Wow what?
You do know Joe Smith hopped from state to state, only to end up in utah because he was wanted for fraud right? I can wait until people with a 2 year memory of history forget who L Ron Hubbard is and then, poof, scientology is just a silly belief (despite the fact that it will ALWAYS be about manipulating people out of their thought process and thus their money and power and thus being a giant modern religion with a modern capitalistic mentality)
Deified Data
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See, that's the thing. Personally speaking, Mormonism, Scientology, Islam, Christianity - they're all equally unbelievable to me. The difference between the former two and the latter two is that the former two sprouted up so recently that their so-called "prophets" can both be safely labeled con-men with historical evidence. Organized faith in general can be difficult to believe, sure, but it happened so long ago that you can't empirically prove it didn't happen.
Were Jesus and Muhammad con-men, cultists? Possibly. Joseph Smith? L. Ron Hubbard? Without a doubt.
Mr. B Natural
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Except they didn't really change and they were forced to change, kicking-and-screaming the entire time. Except the fact that right now, as we speak, they're still against civil rights, they're still on the wrong side of every freggin issue in this country.
You're confusing a strategic change where everyone swapped uniforms (Lincoln was a republican) and one that's inundated into people's minds and was not a matter of personal opinion but of inexcusable ignorance (white power). Please try again.
There's historical context and there's just inexcusable even in historical context.
The pictures are probably fake, but this site claims (using AP News as a source) that he indeed had five wives:
Probably not a trusted source, though.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Your generalizations are really sickening.
Uhh, Romney is a hardcore Mormon.
Why do those guys in suits come to my door then? For the company?
On the same scale as scientology, no.
I'd almost consider an attack on his religion to be legit, if it was in the sense of "Someone gullible enough to buy into this religion shouldn't be running the country."
I do think it will be interesting to see if the Super PACs go after him......obviously Obama isn't going to get his hands dirty with such an attack.
I do think it will be interesting to see if the Super PACs go after him......obviously Obama isn't going to get his hands dirty with such an attack.
They've been doing it for a while now. Obama's entire first term has apparently been a ploy in order to get reelected so that he can destroy the country in his second term.
Really illustrates how good of a conservative president Obama has been.
Maybe they should try this as reverse psychology on other issues, see how it works?
Obama probably won't and should not in my view. And it does not matter if he does not do it or not because others will do it for him. http://www.mrctv.org/videos/larry-o...religion-mormonism-invented-excuse-infidelity
Yeah, Obama doesn't have to mention anything, anyone ever ask an evangelical christian about mormonism?
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I cannot tell if you are being facetious. In case not, we've already had a Roman Catholic President.
So I am imagining those kids on bikes?
It's an issue that's getting out of hand on GAF at the moment imo.
faceless007
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Actually, it was if they pirate music. He's put out a few CDs so this issue affects him greatly.
I am ok with anyone attacking any religion even my own (im Catholic) what I am not ok with are the generalizations.
Agreed. Though I think consistent generalising insults should be bannable personally. It is one thing to criticise religion (everyone's right), but lately I've seen people basically out right imply religion folk are stupid, crazy, shouldn't be in any positions of power etc etc.
It's gone from "respect other people's beliefs. People should have the right to believe whatever they want"
To..
"People have the right to believe whatever they want and should be constantly mocked and insulted for it."
A general lack of compassion and respect.
The argument in favour of it is always, why should religion be free from persecution? Which is not the point here. It's not about the comments about one's opinion of religion itself but those of the human beings (billions of them) that follow it.
Yep. He was a bishop in the Mormon Church, he was married in a strick Mormon ceremony. He wears Mormon garb, he dosen't drink, and he dosen't swear.
He is very Mormon. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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