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[Death Dealer]

So you tracked your tips by total, percentage of check, and race for 15 years? The IRS must be very pleased with you.

He's a troll. I've seen him in other threads.

 

[Fusebox]

Again, anecdotal evidence that leads to generalizations =/= proven fact. You can assert the opposite all you want but yours is a throwaway argument because it's based entirely on flawed logic.

What? Answer my question. Better for who? Who are you talking about, the server or the customer?

And if you don't agree, are you suggesting the opposite is true?

 

[WickedAngel]

He's a troll. I've seen him in other threads.

That's a disappointment.

I was hoping he could give me some statistical analysis of the tipping habits of black men between the ages of 18-25, weighing 150-175lbs, between July 2008-July 2009 so that I may postulate a thesis revolving around their spending habits and the effect that President Obama's election had on them (If any).

I was certain he'd be able to help with that, what with his rigorously documented data set taken over a 15 year career.

 

[Fernando Rocker]

They should add me to that list too. I'm not paying extra money to men/women who are already getting the minimum wage...

Specially because they only bring the food (easy)... if I had to tip, I would tip the cook.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I always fucking tip.

 

[ATF487]

Nothing to add in the tipping thread except that I think I sorta dicked the bartender the other night

I gave her what was technically a 15% tip but I had like 6 drinks, a meal and I was loud and terrible the entire night. Didn't really think about it until afterwards

not black though

 

[Jonm1010]

What? Answer my question. Better for who? Who are you talking about, the server or the customer?

And if you don't agree, are you suggesting the opposite is true?

I'm not making a statement one way or the other, I'm saying its without merit to say that one system is superior than another based solely on the fallacy of correllation = causation or extrapolating anecdotal evidence and applying it to the whole of a system.

 

[Fusebox]

I'm not making a statement one way or the other, I'm saying its without merit to say that one system is superior than another based solely on the fallacy of correllation = causation or extrapolating anecdotal evidence and applying it to the whole of a system.

What system? Tipping, or providing good service? And superior for who, the customer or the server?

If you can't understand something as basic as why getting good service without paying a tip is better than getting poor service and having to tip for it then I can't help you.

I maintain that "Getting excellent service without having to tip for it is better for the customer than getting average service and having to tip for it."

As a customer, I can make that claim.

 

[beelzebozo]

what if you're 25% black? that's a lot of math.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I'm so glad you know what exactly what my job entails. And the fact I have only ever worked two jobs in my entire life. Man you must be from detective GAF right?

Ill put it to you this way, in simple terms so you can possibly understand. I've never worked in lets say a car factory. I don't have a fucking clue what goes on or how hard it may be to work there. I have no right to tell someone who has worked in a car factory their job is a Cakewalk. Why, because I have no fucking clue because I have never done it.

I would love to hear about your extensive knowledge of working in the service industry so you can back up your claims that working in a restaraunt is a piece cake. I hope you can give me a response I'm hoping for....

I never said it was easy. Working in the service industry is shitty. So is working in retail sales. I've done my fair share of both. I just find it laughable that anyone would use the line "busting my ass" when describing their job as a server.

 

[Cuz_7_8_9_Lawlz]

So you tracked your tips by total, percentage of check, and race for 15 years? The IRS must be very pleased with you.

You do realize you're not the only person to have traveled the world, correct? My experiences don't agree with your assessment.

I will try and dumb it down so you can comprehend. I was stating MY experiences with the aforementioned topic. If the quoted person says that and is so sure of themselves then me describing mine would also make what she said moot, no? Do you see how stupid it is to even generalize the way they did? Obviously you don't.

And when you work in the industry for a while you remember certain instances, and I cannot recall a single time getting shorted in a such a way where I was made into an upset and ignorant piece of crap like the quoted person and some of the ignorant responders in this thread. But nice deflection. Always a good sign in a discussion topic...

Man juniors are batting like 2 for 20 in this thread..................And you're not in the 2 in case you were wondering

Juniors? Lol nice defense or rebuttal to what I said. Oh you must be one of those people who thinks some arbitrary text on the internet means something. Tell me this buddy, when you apply for jobs do you but your NeoGAF stats on your resume?

He's a troll. I've seen him in other threads.

Oh really? I would like you to back up this claim with facts and not an opinion of your own please. I will await the bullshit that will be posted IF you can even find something to pull out of your ass. Thanks!

That's a disappointment.
I was hoping he could give me some statistical analysis of the tipping habits of black men between the ages of 18-25, weighing 150-175lbs, between July 2008-July 2009 so that I may postulate a thesis revolving around their spending habits and the effect that President Obama's election had on them (If any).
I was certain he'd be able to help with that, what with his rigorously documented data set taken over a 15 year career.

You are just too darn cute. Wouldn't know, haven't worked in a restaurant in a while. But also, nice useless and irrelevant rebuttal, typical. Its nice to find out quickly who will have nothing of substance to contribute.

 

[mt1200]

I've never tipped in my life, and I will never do it.

Its only common in the US I guess?.

 

[lightless_shado]

Question to all those people who tip only when they get "exceptional" service: What do you do when you go to a restaurant where you must pay and tip before you eat your meal?

 

[Fernando Rocker]

I don't tip. I don't believe in it.

They don't make enough money, they can quit.

I don't tip because society says I have to. Alright, I tip when somebody really deserves a tip. If they put forth an effort, I'll give them something extra. But I mean, this tipping automatically, that's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned they're just doing their job.

These persons aren't starvin' to death. They make minimum wage.I used to work minimum wage, and when I did... I wasn't lucky enough to have a job that society deemed tip-worthy.

Working at McDonald's is harder but you don't feel the need to tip them. They're servin' you food, but society says... "Don't tip these guys over here, but tip these guys." That's bullshit.

I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips, that's fucked up. That ain't my fault. It would seem to me that waiters/waitresses are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. Look, if you ask me to sign something that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it, put it to a vote, I'll vote for it, but what I won't do is play ball. And as for this non-college bullshit I got two words for that: learn to fuckin' type, 'cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big fuckin' surprise.

 

[Joe]

I don't tip. I don't believe in it.

They don't make enough money, they can quit.

I don't tip because society says I have to. Alright, I tip when somebody really deserves a tip. If they put forth an effort, I'll give them something extra. But I mean, this tipping automatically, that's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned they're just doing their job.

These persons aren't starvin' to death. They make minimum wage.I used to work minimum wage, and when I did... I wasn't lucky enough to have a job that society deemed tip-worthy.

Working at McDonald's is harder but you don't feel the need to tip them. They're servin' you food, but society says... "Don't tip these guys over here, but tip these guys." That 's bullshit.

I' m very sorry the government taxes their tips, that's fucked up. That ain't my fault. It would seem to me that waitresses are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. Look, if you ask me to sign something that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it, put it to a vote, I'll vote for it, but what I won't do is play ball. And as for this non-college bullshit I got two words for that: learn to fuckin' type, 'cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big fuckin' surprise.

you're a douche. people that earn tips earn much less than minimum wage.

for the record i am against the idea of tipping but still do it and do it well. my urge to refuse to tip is outweighed by my refusal to screw over my fellow hard working citizen.

 

[MidnightScott]

I start at 20% and go down from there.

 

[Dysun]

I dont think I've ever given more than 15%

I was friends with this crazy girl who used to leave like a 20 dollar tip for a 40 dollar meal. Insane I tell ya

 

[Deleted member 17706]

you're a douche. people that earn tips earn much less than minimum wage.

for the record i am against the idea of tipping but still do it and do it well. my urge to refuse to tip is outweighed by my refusal to screw over my fellow hard working citizen.

Why should they get special treatment for choosing a job that depends on the good will of their fellow citizens? I tip most of the time, but I think it's a terrible custom.

 

[Petrie]

you're a douche. people that earn tips earn much less than minimum wage.

for the record i am against the idea of tipping but still do it and do it well. my urge to refuse to tip is outweighed by my refusal to screw over my fellow hard working citizen.

He was quoting Reservoir Dogs.

 

[Cuz_7_8_9_Lawlz]

you're a douche. people that earn tips earn much less than minimum wage.

for the record i am against the idea of tipping but still do it and do it well. my urge to refuse to tip is outweighed by my refusal to screw over my fellow hard working citizen.

While agree with your general sentiments, I do know that in CA servers get minimum wage, which I believe is around $8.50.

But ya, I agree with everything else you said.

If you don't feel like tipping then you are much better off using that money for that ONE meal and buying food from the grocery store for a whole week.

Its just common courtesy really in most cases.

 

[gohepcat]

In the US tipping is 20% in restaurants. End of story.

If you don't like it, don't go out to eat...because if you don't tip, or tip way less than 20%-15% than you are eating food that has been on the floor or wiped on your waiters balls.

Do you want to rail against a system you think is unfair, or do you want ball sweat?
Do you want to make a point about bad service, or do you want to eat ball sweat?
Do you think it's stupid or do you want to eat ball sweat?

Just stay home and cook if you can't afford to eat at a restaurant.

 

[Death Dealer]

Oh really? I would like you to back up this claim with facts and not an opinion of your own please.

I can't search your posts, but I remember your name. You were trolling in a thread recently. It was in the last week or two.

You're like a troll crossed with an e-thug. Keep it up. You make me laugh.

 

[Joe]

tipping is a HORRIBLE custom. the patron is essentially subsidizing half of the owners payroll.

if you go to a place where someone is expecting a tip and you don't tip then you are a DICK.

if you refuse to tip and then go somewhere to eat where tipping is not expected then you're cool.

it's really simple.

don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[dudeworld]

In the US tipping is 20% in restaurants. End of story.

If you don't like it, don't go out to eat...because if you don't tip, or tip way less than 20%-15% than you are eating food that has been on the floor or wiped on your waiters balls.

Do you want to rail against a system you think is unfair, or do you want ball sweat?
Do you want to make a point about bad service, or do you want to eat ball sweat?
Do you think it's stupid or do you want to eat ball sweat?

Just stay home and cook if you can't afford to eat at a restaurant.

but if you're at a restaurant, don't you eat before you pay? so if I've eaten my food, then pay and give no tip, how will my food suddenly get on the floor and wiped on the waiters balls?

 

[Meadows]

You know what demographics tip the most to delivery drivers in the UK:

White Middle-Class families: i.e. mother and father with children. I normally give the pizza box to the kids and the parents lap that shit up. Instant tip

Indians/Pakistanis/Bangladeshis: lovely to deliver to, always incredibly welcoming, polite and efficient

Old people: They always order like one small pizza and pay a £1 tip without fail. Especially true in old women. By old I mean 75+

Chavs: great tippers, I just make myself sound a bit trashier and working class (lol, snobbery coming from someone born in Warrington!) and they nearly always tip saying "here's a little bit for yerself mate"

Tip the least:

Americans: I guess you guys got the memo about tipping in the UK. I've delivered to about 10 and only one has ever tipped, and that was like 60p

Students: Never tip. I should know, I'm one.

Pyjama girls: Girls with runny mascara down their face wearing pyjamas. Normally they've just had a fight with their bf and they want comfort food, but aren't in a good enough mood to tip

 

[Fusebox]

In the US tipping is 20% in restaurants. End of story.

End of story folks, start wrapping it up....

 

[sly2thefox]

In the US tipping is 20% in restaurants. End of story.

If you don't like it, don't go out to eat...because if you don't tip, or tip way less than 20%-15% than you are eating food that has been on the floor or wiped on your waiters balls.

Do you want to rail against a system you think is unfair, or do you want ball sweat?
Do you want to make a point about bad service, or do you want to eat ball sweat?
Do you think it's stupid or do you want to eat ball sweat?

Just stay home and cook if you can't afford to eat at a restaurant.

And also if your black don't expect the same quality of treatment a white would get right?

 

[Petrie]

Pyjama girls: Girls with runny mascara down their face wearing pyjamas. Normally they've just had a fight with their bf and they want comfort food, but aren't in a good enough mood to tip

Probably upset all you're offering to comfort them is food.

 

[The Albatross]

ITT: I find out how cheap most of Gaf is.

15% might cut it if Applebees is your big date night. Even then.

But, about Op post, I waited tables as a teenager and throughout college, and at least then it usually rang true. But, you'd also get bad tips from people from the South, Europeans, Mid-westerners, and mostly anybody from the rest of the world. For Europeans and folks from other countries, I hated it, but didn't fault them -- in most cases they just didn't know that it's customary to tip a waiter for service. But, it boiled my piss for other North American groups to consistently get bad tips from them.

 

[Cuz_7_8_9_Lawlz]

I can't search your posts, but I remember your name. You were trolling in a thread recently. It was in the last week or two.

You're like a troll crossed with an e-thug. Keep it up. You make me laugh.

.....so you are going to make a claim but not back it up with any sort of proof? What thread was it in? You remember my name but not what I said or the topic at hand? Nothing?

Sound logic my friend, sound logic.

So yeah, when you have something, anything that is not utter bullshit feel free to share with the rest of the class. Thanks!

E-thug? I don't even know what that is. People who make bold claims with nothing to back them up make laugh.

Adorable. Like a little brother trying to fight his big brother. Keep it up champ <3

 

[Zilch]

I don't tip. I don't believe in it.

They don't make enough money, they can quit.

I don't tip because society says I have to. Alright, I tip when somebody really deserves a tip. If they put forth an effort, I'll give them something extra. But I mean, this tipping automatically, that's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned they're just doing their job.

These persons aren't starvin' to death. They make minimum wage.I used to work minimum wage, and when I did... I wasn't lucky enough to have a job that society deemed tip-worthy.

Working at McDonald's is harder but you don't feel the need to tip them. They're servin' you food, but society says... "Don't tip these guys over here, but tip these guys." That's bullshit.

I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips, that's fucked up. That ain't my fault. It would seem to me that waiters/waitresses are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. Look, if you ask me to sign something that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it, put it to a vote, I'll vote for it, but what I won't do is play ball. And as for this non-college bullshit I got two words for that: learn to fuckin' type, 'cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big fuckin' surprise.

not surprising that a religious fanatic would be such a selfish tightwad. ha.

 

[Petrie]

And also if your black don't expect the same quality of treatment a white would get right?

Expect the same treatment I'd give anyone. If you sit at my table or bar and start barking orders, I will make it clear I am not a servant, and that I will make sure you receive excellent service but that you will be pleasant, or dine/drink elsewhere.

Especially at my bar. I can refuse service for any reason, period. You will not bark orders at me, or you will be cut off. There are dozens and dozens of others waiting who will be pleasant and tip.

 

[kittens]

I always tip a little bit, unless the staff are straight up assholes.

If I'm broke, I tip 10%. If I have a little extra cash, I tip between 15% - 20%.

 

[Count Dookkake]

not surprising that a religious fanatic would be such a selfish tightwad. ha.

Um, Reservoir Dogs.

 

[Petrie]

not surprising that a religious fanatic would be such a selfish tightwad. ha.

Has Nobody seen Reservoir Dogs? Holy shit.

Um, Reservoir Dogs.

Crisis averted.

 

[MC Safety]

Question to all those people who tip only when they get "exceptional" service: What do you do when you go to a restaurant where you must pay and tip before you eat your meal?

I've never been to a place like that.

I know of places you pay after ordering food, but pay and tip at once? Never.

What sort of restaurants/chains do that?

 

[Meadows]

Probably upset all you're offering to comfort them is food.

The girls that order pizza are never as hot as you think they are when you take the job

 

[Stormtrooper30]

Generally tip 15% for average service. 20 if its good and 10 if its awful.

 

[Death Dealer]

.....so you are going to make a claim but not back it up with any sort of proof? What thread was it in? You remember my name but not what I said or the topic at hand? Nothing?

That really disappoints you doesn't it ?

When I think someone is a troll account, i.e. constantly posting outlandish comments to get a reaction, I remember their name but don't take them seriously, let alone remember the details of their trolling, a week or two after the incident.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

ITT: I find out how cheap most of Gaf is.

15% might cut it if Applebees is your big date night.

Cut what? Do you show off how much you tipped to your date or something?

Adorable. Like a little brother trying to fight his big brother. Keep it up champ <3

Holy shit... I feel like I'm back in the late 90s or early 2000s with taunts like these.

 

[Zeliard]

Nobody ever mentions the part after where Harvey Keitel beats Buscemi down with facts and Buscemi has nothing for him but a tiny violin.

 

[Sanky Panky]

I worked as a server for 3 years, earning $2.50 per hour plus tips. For all of you cheap bastards, no, that is NOT minimum wage, and NO it's not as easy as just finding another job with flexible hours while you are going to school.

It's not a good feeling when on a slow night you walked with $20 in tips, after doing all the mental and physical effort to get your 3 course meal and drinks out in a seamless fashion, keep your asses with full water at all times, and apologize to your picky ass for the cook's mistake (well I guess that IS close to minimum wage per hour, so you cheap bastards think it's ok). Good servers that deserve the 20% (yes that IS what is expected for good service) will enhance your experience.

I worked at Macaroni Grill so I didn't get the worse of the worse, but I can see how the OP has some validity. However, the grand prize goes to hispanic foreigners, but that's a cultural thing. I will never forget serving six fat asses, a $120 bill, and the guy secretly giving me $2 thinking he was giving me the greatest tip of my life.

 

[Fusebox]

If you sit at my table or bar and start barking orders, I will make it clear I am not a servant, and that I will make sure you receive excellent service but that you will be pleasant, or dine/drink elsewhere.

Especially at my bar. I can refuse service for any reason, period. You will not bark orders at me, or you will be cut off.

Lol, that's just waaay too precious.

I've lived in places where you'd have an empty bar, not because the locals are rude, but they sure as hell don't waste energy making sure their barkeeper is happy. I work hard all day and just knocked off, so you stfu and pour my beer.

 

[Sanjay]

She cleared the line.. "move over!" I was waiting in line like a normal person... She did it every time all night.

She wants your big tip.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Question to all those people who tip only when they get "exceptional" service: What do you do when you go to a restaurant where you must pay and tip before you eat your meal?

What kind of place is that? I've only ever seen such a system in Korean-run Teriyaki joints.

Those aren't restaurants, usually. They're just take out joints with a few tables if you want to eat in.

Anyway, if they make you pay up front, then there is no tip.

 

[Tornado Condor]

Fuck tipping. People should be tipping me for stacking their fruits so they can be delivered right to their asses. Lifting 100 lb sacks of potatoes is no fun.

edit: i had no idea waiters were paid less than minimum wage.

 

[Cuz_7_8_9_Lawlz]

That really disappoints you doesn't it ?

When I think someone is a troll account, i.e. constantly posting outlandish comments to get a reaction, I remember their name but don't take them seriously, let alone remember the details of their trolling, a week or two after the incident.

Uh oh! Backtrack backtrack backtrack as fast as you can!

So basically you are the sad person who makes bold claims yet cannot produce a single fact to back up the trash they just said right? You are the boy who cried wolf, you are those girls that cried rape but are now the ones facing penalties.

Basically you have been called out on your bullshit that YOU started and all of a sudden you "Didn't really care in the first place even though i brought it up." Hehe, too cute, you are making yourself look amazing there.

Like I said, when you can back up the things you say like a man I will be here.....but lets be honest, you just made an emotional snap judgement call to post.

Feel free to point out where I trolled since apparently I am a troll.

Lol. <3

 

[Petrie]

Lol, that's just waaay too precious.

I've lived in places where you'd have an empty bar, not because the locals are rude, but they sure as hell don't waste energy making sure their barkeeper is happy. I work hard all day and just knocked off, so you stfu and pour my beer.

Again, I have no problem pouring your beer in a timely fashion, but if I'm talking for 15 seconds with one of my other guests and you interrupt because you think you're the only important person in the room, you're welcome to GTFO. We'll be just fine.

Locals tend to be the most pleasant, as they're hitting the same spots all the time and want good service/stiff drinks/occasionally rounds comped/extra food/etc. I'm not sure what kind of establishment your talking about, but I'm glad I'll never work there.

Gotta love the attitude on that guy. "You'll play by MY RULES! And, you'll pay me extra for my simply doing my job!"

Demanding people be kind is out of line? I tend bar, if you can't be pleasant, my assumption is you have already had too much to drink, or aren't in a condition to drink. Interestingly enough, the laws that govern liquor require me NOT to serve you in those instances.

And no, they'll keep paying me extra for amazing service, great drinks, prompt delivery, and the amazing atmosphere provided by a skilled bartender.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Lol, that's just waaay too precious.

I've lived in places where you'd have an empty bar, not because the locals are rude, but they sure as hell don't waste energy making sure their barkeeper is happy. I work hard all day and just knocked off, so you stfu and pour my beer.

Gotta love the attitude on that guy. "You'll play by MY RULES! And, you'll pay me extra for my simply doing my job!"

 

[gohepcat]

but if you're at a restaurant, don't you eat before you pay? so if I've eaten my food, then pay and give no tip, how will my food suddenly get on the floor and wiped on the waiters balls?

...you will very quickly run out of waiters to fuck over.

This isn't an argument I've ever seen in the real world. If you are truly that much of a prick that you screw over some waitstaff than you probably were an obvious prick long before any one I know would invite you out to dinner.