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servers complain black people do not tip
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Fusebox said:
You took anecdotal evidence and used it to support a statement that has no merit or value unless your premise can be proven true. You then asked people(me specifically) to argue against your fallacious statement. We've all gone through it point by point with you and its perfectly clear how incapable you are of rationally discussing anything.
Black-Wind
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I tip zero cents and I give zero fucks. :/
I have many problems with tipping that I will just keep to myself in favor of getting to sleep on time.
I have many problems with tipping that I will just keep to myself in favor of getting to sleep on time.
Jonm1010 said:
Holy shit, a statement with no merit and value? Welcome to the internet, let me be the first to apologise for making a statement with no merit.
On the other hand, you're a shifty liar who deliberately misquotes people in order to keep a stupid semantics debate rolling across multiple pages, so where is your merit and value?
Fusebox said:
Lets rephrase it. Your faulty premises have led you to supporting a fallacious statement for 3 pages because apparently basic philosophy 101 concepts elude your cognitive abilities.
Also not understanding the points someone is making doesn't make them a liar.
And im not sure what value there is in continuing to try and explain highschool concepts to someone refusing to understand them. In that sense the egg is on my face.
I should have known after reading your tag but alas I bit, and bit, and bit and still its the same song and dance.
shadowsdarknes
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It's either that, or you're going to pay for more expensive food.maxcer0081 said:
The public is going to pay either way.
But you, a rogue non tipper who is in the minority in many areas of business, aren't going to change anything. You're just going to possibly ruin someone's night because you couldn't even throw 5 bucks on a 50 dollar check.
Petrie said:
Wow at this post. The smugness and crazy expectations are one thing, but shitting on the rest of the staff on top of it? Guess what, cooks work in the kitchen because they provide an actual skill. And your job is harder because you have to be polite?? The fuck out of here.
Husker86 said:
It really depends. Pennies suck, flat out. In terms of a few quarters and stuff, by the end of the night I can usually put that in my cash out so I am not stuck with them. When I deposit my tips weekly I usually have a few bucks in change I am handing in.
confused said:
Ever served tables? I've worked in construction before and serving is harder. On a busy night I go home with my entire body aching. It is a physically AND emotionally demanding job, it isn't as easy as you think.
I used a pedometer one day and in a 3 hour shift I clocked in over 15000 steps. Most of this while carrying drinks and avoiding crashing into people. All the while never once pissing in anyone's soup, smiling the entire time, and generally mocking people like you who are the exception but not even close to the rule.
Serving is a LOT harder than you think it is, trust me.
Sennorin said:
I think only a few people here are being that dickish about it and even less so in the actual industry.
Most are just taken aback by the detractors almost vitriolic disgust that servers would dare feel that its expected that quality service merits a tip. Its a societal norm and its kinda off putting that so many people have taken this one norm to get so up in arms about to the point of insulting or degrading the character of the people who rely on that norm to make a living.
Nomad Blue
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lsslave said:
That chart is a load of bollocks, the tips for taxi drivers in the UK is laughable for starters. It's more like what Americans think the tip should be.
Surely the employer should be paying their employees more if the poor souls "require" the tip to survive. I don't get tipped in my industry, and neither do most of the world's other workers. What makes the restaurant industry so special?
You should only tip if you were satisfied with the service, and then you should base that tip on your level of satisfaction.
Saying that, I do usually tip, but nowhere near this insane, arbitrary number.
You should only tip if you were satisfied with the service, and then you should base that tip on your level of satisfaction.
Saying that, I do usually tip, but nowhere near this insane, arbitrary number.
Not American, but lived in N.A. for a while
MightyHealthy
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Here's how I tip:
0% - absolutely awful
5% - bad
10% - mediocre
15% - pleasantly sufficient
20% - outstanding
I have a girlfriend who I eat out with regularly, so we can afford to be generous. Even if I were by myself, being cheap is not an option. Some of you sound like you can't afford to tip, and therefore shouldn't even be going out to eat in the first place.
One of the problems I have lately is waiting an extra 5-15 minutes after we're ready to leave before I get the check. I will honestly knock a server's tip down if I have to wait ridiculously long.
Oh, and servers: please don't give me mediocre service because I'm young looking. I can't stand when I know I'm being stereotyped and see older folks get better service.
0% - absolutely awful
5% - bad
10% - mediocre
15% - pleasantly sufficient
20% - outstanding
I have a girlfriend who I eat out with regularly, so we can afford to be generous. Even if I were by myself, being cheap is not an option. Some of you sound like you can't afford to tip, and therefore shouldn't even be going out to eat in the first place.
One of the problems I have lately is waiting an extra 5-15 minutes after we're ready to leave before I get the check. I will honestly knock a server's tip down if I have to wait ridiculously long.
Oh, and servers: please don't give me mediocre service because I'm young looking. I can't stand when I know I'm being stereotyped and see older folks get better service.
A Human Becoming
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ronito said:
Tipping is so fucking stupid. I hung out with a group of 8 at a bar that was not even busy. Waitress took 20mins to get one fucking round of drinks. In fact, two guys at our table went up to the bar to get the drinks b/c the waitress was not paying attention... AND they still tipped her 15%.
After the group left I then went back w/3 other people and same behavior, she was so incompetent that I walked up to the counter and got our drinks. We left a 2 cent tip.
After the group left I then went back w/3 other people and same behavior, she was so incompetent that I walked up to the counter and got our drinks. We left a 2 cent tip.
I don't tip, I'd rather spend the money i would spend on tipping on an extra side dish of fries or someshit.
Plus my country has minimum wage.
I also don't give money to homeless people since my country has to give them a place to stay.
Plus my country has minimum wage.
I also don't give money to homeless people since my country has to give them a place to stay.
It's a shame that so many people think they are above the service industry to work there, and yet think that it's a privilege to be waited on. Patronage and service is a two way street. I always do 20% (or as close to as I can figure, I like my total rounded to the nearest dollar), even though I don't go out much.
With that said, I do feel awkward tipping the same percentage for things like hair cuts and carry out, because the time they spent on me is very minimal (15-20 min.). I guess I tend to think of tipping in terms of the time I'm using the service.
For those of you who use doctors as example, I think they should pay me for the amount of time I had to spend waiting on them
Doctor/dentist offices are notorious for scheduling too many patients resulting in long waits.
With that said, I do feel awkward tipping the same percentage for things like hair cuts and carry out, because the time they spent on me is very minimal (15-20 min.). I guess I tend to think of tipping in terms of the time I'm using the service.
For those of you who use doctors as example, I think they should pay me for the amount of time I had to spend waiting on them
Doctor/dentist offices are notorious for scheduling too many patients resulting in long waits.Nomad Blue
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SmokyDave said:
I've never known anyone tip a taxi driver in the UK, other than telling them they can keep the change if you give them 15 and it's 14.60 or something.
Not quite sure why you'd tip a taxi driver. Madness.
BattleMonkey
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Fuckers are lucky to get 15% out of me
Meadows said:
It's a cultural thing, kind of weirds me out after I've been living in the US for so long. Although there are exceptions if you go to the fancier or more Amercanized restaurants (like the ones in big hotels and steak houses, basically places where more foreigners tend to go to), tips are included in the total.
ElectricBlue187
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Black people aren't nearly as bad as Japanese on vacation in Hawaii. They don't tip at allllllll
Or so I've heard. I would rather die in a fire than work in the service industry
Or so I've heard. I would rather die in a fire than work in the service industry
gravitybear
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Eric Walton said:
good post man, 100% agree.
to all of you assholes saying you either never tip or you think tipping 10% is too much, try to remove yourself from your own perspective and put yourself in the wait staff's shoes. they are on their feet all day working very hard, and the only way they make any money is through tips (the majority of their "paycheck" goes to taxes. They may take home 20-30$ a week from their real "paycheck").
I always tip 20% unless someone is rude to me. I tip 30% if the service is exceptional. I'll even tip 20% if the service is mediocre but it just looks like the waiter is having a bad day. I have bad days at work sometimes but my pay isn't cut on the spot because of it.
Stop being cheap and appreciate the work that your fellow human is doing for you.
Mango Positive
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juanpablo said:
Because then the food would be more expensive and the servers would have absolutely no incentive to provide exceptional service.
Having waited tables for exactly two weeks about 12 years ago, I always tip 20 %. Then again, I rarely eat out and when I do, it's usually to the same group of 5 or 6 restaurants in my area where they always treat me right.
Eric Walton said:
A customer walks into a place to look for something. The commission comes from the extras the salesman offers, never does selling the one product allow him to meet his targets.
A customer walks into a restaurant and doesn't get acknowledged by the waiting staff for 10 minutes. Do they walk out? Then they were just browsing weren't they?
I've been in enough tip topics to know not to get into it. So I'll just say fuck my fellow americans who are so selfish and cheap they can't leave a tip, and leave it at that. I agree restaurants should charge a lot more so they can pay their servers better. That way non-tippers would have no choice in matter of paying their server even when they get the shittiest service.
gravitybear said:
I tip (though not as generously as you; 15-20%) but I still dislike the whole arrangement. I understand it's not the servers fault that the industry is set up that way, though I have no doubt that there are entitled people in the position who expect nothing less than 20% without putting in what would make them deserve it.
BudokaiMR2
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Yeah fuck tipping. Love the fact that I live in a country with unquestionably the best service in the world and never have to tip.
Employers are supposed to pay their employees salary. I come in to buy the fucking food. It's a backwards ass system.
They shouldn't be allowed to pay below minimum wage. It's just as simple as that!
Employers are supposed to pay their employees salary. I come in to buy the fucking food. It's a backwards ass system.
They shouldn't be allowed to pay below minimum wage. It's just as simple as that!
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