Alebrije
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But if the food does not achive the expectation generally the waiter pays for the chef mistake. I have seen waiters that give a great service but do not recive a tip just because the bread was old or the soup was a little cold...
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But if the food does not achive the expectation generally the waiter pays for the chef mistake. I have seen waiters that give a great service but do not recive a tip just because the bread was old or the soup was a little cold...
Grinchy
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More like, if you're that poor that you can't afford a few more bucks for a videogame, don't buy the videogame yet. Buy it when you can afford it.
If you're too poor to tip, don't go to restaurants until you can. It's pretty irresponsible to eat out at a restaurant when you're poor anyway. Don't make it someone else's problem.
Dude Abides
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It would be retaliation. Good luck finding a lawyer who would take a case like that though.
Mammoth Jones
Member
This. Fucking this. Cheapos. If you have internet, a computer, free time to post to GAF...AND money to go out to a sit down restaurant take an extra few dollars and show some appreciation to the person working off shit wage to serve your food.
With that said, it applies to good service only. Shitty service shouldn't be tipped much, imo.
frankie_baby
Member
Shitty service really shouldn't be tipped AT ALL
Mammoth Jones
Member
And yea, this was recently after some fine young gentlemen whom I assume were employed decided to take baseball bats to my car destroying side paneling and glass, piss in the seats, shit in the passenger carpet, smear it around and jump on my hood and roof in the train station while I was at work.
My insurance considered it a total loss and cut me a check. I decided to get a ride and basically walked in there determined to walk out with a new car. But they lost a guaranteed sale.
Mammoth Jones
Member
I'd agree with that.
Alebrije
Member
Agree...
I do not know if the U.S. but here in Mexico some places INCLUDE THE TIP in your bill regardless of the service.
GotEmRunnin
Member
Thought I was the only one. Especially at Kohl's.
don't have many issues at restaurants but I won't pay a tip if I get crappy service. Just this past Friday ordered some food for the wife and I (takeout) from Ruby Tuesdays' the bar tender lady just threw my food at me left me a pin to sign my receipt and walked off to talk to her friend at the other end of the bar. I'm not tipping that kind of behavior and I refuse to. Let it be known she left me on hold for close to 15 minutes before taking my order over the phone. I assume her convo with her friend started at that time.
Needless to say treat me right I'll treat you right.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I work in the wedding business, and the people at the venues have their tip included in the bill. Their base pay is good, too.
I've only gotten a tip ($100) once in at least 400 weddings despite constant, effusive praise.
I'm so jelly, lol.
Mister Zimbu
Member
Counterpoint: If three bucks is a big deal to the server, they should look for a better damn job.
Barkley's Justice
Member
When I travel outside of the U.S. I never know what to do.
In Japan it's an insult: The culture is such that they are proud to do their job, that's what they do.
In France I was really confused because apparently tips are built-in to their system? Or not? I could never get a straight answer. I would usually leave a Euro just in case.
London I gave a bell hop a pound (of the coin type, not the fist variety) and he looked at me like I handed him a salamander or something.
In Japan it's an insult: The culture is such that they are proud to do their job, that's what they do.
In France I was really confused because apparently tips are built-in to their system? Or not? I could never get a straight answer. I would usually leave a Euro just in case.
London I gave a bell hop a pound (of the coin type, not the fist variety) and he looked at me like I handed him a salamander or something.
frankie_baby
Member
In the UK we tip restaurants if service was good and the milkman at Xmas and that's pretty much it
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Conservatively, a $3/table difference translates to $8,000/year. In reality, more like $12k+.
I don't know about you, but 12k is a big deal to a lot of people.
Hairdressers as well.
frankie_baby
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Only after getting a discount off the price so works out cheaper anyway
Only after getting a discount off the price so works out cheaper anyway
TheVampire
Banned
Ok so I'm Australian and I will be going to the USA later this year for the first time on a holiday.
About the whole tipping thing do I really need to do it?
Or can I just get away with not doing it and pretending to be ignorant?
Here in Australia we don't tip and its not expected to.
I mean you already get paid for the job and on the cost for the meal there is no extra cost for the guys tip.
About the whole tipping thing do I really need to do it?
Or can I just get away with not doing it and pretending to be ignorant?
Here in Australia we don't tip and its not expected to.
I mean you already get paid for the job and on the cost for the meal there is no extra cost for the guys tip.
You're a huge fucking asshole if you don't tip. Servers make their money primarily on tips. They don't get paid the minimum wage everyone else does.
marvelharvey
Member
You might want to double check that.
TheVampire
Banned
Well If I don't have to I'm not going to.
The holiday will already cost a shitload.
HERES A TIP: GET A BETTER FUCKING PAYING JOB
Jake Tower
Banned
If you stiff a waiter from whom you ordered drinks, you're actually costing him money since he has to tip out to the bar.
RoninChaos
Member
I love this response because everybody acts like this is so easy. If finding a great paying job was easy, everybody would be fucking rich.
Bottom line, you know it's customary here, don't be an asshole.
frankie_baby
Member
What? That's just hilarious
Is this troll bait or are you for real?
Because if you're for real, here's a tip: Don't fucking travel to the US if you can't afford to tip servers.
If you don't have the common decency to pay people struggling in low-paying jobs a few bucks for their service, you can go fuck yourself. Seriously, we don't want you here.
go to mcdonalds then?
ConradCervantes
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The blacks that frequent my Starbucks are quite nice about tipping. One brother tipped $10 on a $12 order a couple weeks back. Much appreciated.
frankie_baby
Member
If I ever travelled to the US I'd tip exactly as I do in the UK, good service only and 10 percent max
I live in California. In California, servers (waiters/waitresses) get paid minimum wage and on top of that they get paid tips.
If a server is working three tables an hour, he/she has the potential to make a lot of money off tips.
Let's say the server gets a measly 4 dollar tip from each of the three tables he/she serves in that hour. That's 12 dollars on top of 8 dollars. 20 USD per hour for server isn't bad money at all. Sure, the server will have slow days, but please, I don't need to hear you say that 15 percent is not enough.
This Saturday I'm going to an expensive steak restaurant. The total bill will likely exceed 150 USD. You want me to pay 20 percent? The server will be getting paid the minimum wage plus the tips. Now some people think the restaurant owner garnishes tips. But some don't for tax reasons. They don't report the full tip count so they can take more money home, tax free.
15 percent of 150 USD is 22.50.
If the server only serves my table for one hour, he/she is going to make 22.50 off of me plus 8 dollars wages.
That's more money than my sister makes per hour working at a law firm. I guarantee the server will be managing at least two other tables in that hour.
From tips alone, he/she is going to be making a lot of money that I frankly do not think he/she deserves. I could do without the false smiles and the cheery attitude. The food alone is amazing. I don't need them to be twerking around the table to get that money.
Bottom line, my tip percentage varies based on the price of the meal. If it's a relatively cheaper bill, like 35 to 60 bucks, I'll tip 15 percent. If it's more than 60 bucks but less than 100, I'll probably tip 12 percent. If it's more than 100 USD, I'm tipping 10 percent.
I will NEVER tip 20 percent. Whoever thinks 20 percent is the new standard needs to be out changing the system rather than arguing for us to pay that ridiculous fee.
It's not a matter of, "Oh, if you can't afford it, don't eat out." I can afford it. That's beside the point.
If a server is working three tables an hour, he/she has the potential to make a lot of money off tips.
Let's say the server gets a measly 4 dollar tip from each of the three tables he/she serves in that hour. That's 12 dollars on top of 8 dollars. 20 USD per hour for server isn't bad money at all. Sure, the server will have slow days, but please, I don't need to hear you say that 15 percent is not enough.
This Saturday I'm going to an expensive steak restaurant. The total bill will likely exceed 150 USD. You want me to pay 20 percent? The server will be getting paid the minimum wage plus the tips. Now some people think the restaurant owner garnishes tips. But some don't for tax reasons. They don't report the full tip count so they can take more money home, tax free.
15 percent of 150 USD is 22.50.
If the server only serves my table for one hour, he/she is going to make 22.50 off of me plus 8 dollars wages.
That's more money than my sister makes per hour working at a law firm. I guarantee the server will be managing at least two other tables in that hour.
From tips alone, he/she is going to be making a lot of money that I frankly do not think he/she deserves. I could do without the false smiles and the cheery attitude. The food alone is amazing. I don't need them to be twerking around the table to get that money.
Bottom line, my tip percentage varies based on the price of the meal. If it's a relatively cheaper bill, like 35 to 60 bucks, I'll tip 15 percent. If it's more than 60 bucks but less than 100, I'll probably tip 12 percent. If it's more than 100 USD, I'm tipping 10 percent.
I will NEVER tip 20 percent. Whoever thinks 20 percent is the new standard needs to be out changing the system rather than arguing for us to pay that ridiculous fee.
It's not a matter of, "Oh, if you can't afford it, don't eat out." I can afford it. That's beside the point.
Jake Tower
Banned
And the world says Americans are assholes?
Ugly Foreigners.
Ugly Foreigners.
ive heard about that. I wonder how much the cooks get paid, because that seems unfair to them. It seems unfair to the restaurant owner as well. How is the owner able to make money when all the servers make minimum?
GhostWriter24
Member
We'll keep that in mind next time you ask us to bail your country out from some tyrannical dictator in WWIII :lol
frankie_baby
Member
The same way restaurant owners in the rest of the world make money
Jake Tower
Banned
If you're from Europe that's just the interest from the Marshall Plan.
Asshole.
I always thought it encourages sales, win-win.
The owner can control the price of the food. And garnishes some of the tips to pad the revenue.
LaserBuddha
Member
If you want to eat out, GET A BETTER FUCKING PAYING JOB.
They have services on offer that assume a tip will be left. If you can't afford that then those services aren't for you.
Also, LOL at how sheltered your life must be to say "just get a better job". Looks like at least one Romney vote on GAF.
No, but really...
its easier to get a minimum wage job. Not every waiter is on the down and out with only that job at Applebees to cling to.
LaserBuddha
Member
Will you drive on the left too? You're paying less in exchange for having control over how to reward the quality of service.
Obviously what you're describing isn't nearly as bad as the non-tipping cheapskates out there, but there's a deal being offered in this situation and you're taking it without upholding your end of the bargain.
LaserBuddha
Member
It's also easier to eat at a minimum wage-paying restaurant. People want to be waited on but don't want to pay for it. There's no amount of bullshit they can dribble out of their mouths that is going to change that.
There's a social contract for grownups that says "you the customer have control over the service portion of the bill, to empower you to demand good service". Engaging in and breaking that contract is just a statement of "I'm a parasitic adult child".
Biff
Member
TheMan
Member
ugh, how about you just stay in australia and leave american restaurants alone
so they raise the menu prices for the more staff they have. They would also have to keep wages down for the cooks and/or not hire more cooks in order to keep labor down.
effectively it is like California restaurant goers are paying high menu prices for the server wages along with the tip.
While the cooks are getting shafted unless they make double the minimum wage.
Its just not smart betting your salary on unwritten rules.
frankie_baby
Member
But I still would have control, if service was bad the waiter won't even see a penny in tip from me, if service is good they'll get a few bucks which seeing as they'll have other tables to deal with as well as mine is more than reasonable
frankie_baby
Member
What if you are talking about the burger and the steak at the same restaurant, a more expensive meal is not harder to serve
LaserBuddha
Member
Where I worked, a certain percentage of your total sales for the night was assumed to be tipped to you. This assumed number determined how much money you kept, or how much you had to pay out to bussers/hosts as their share.
While serving a steak and serving a burger takes the same amount of effort, the overall number is more representative of the number of meals you served than the price of the meals.
And, generally speaking, you expect better service when you spend more (or go somewhere more expensive), thus the tip is higher if such standards are met by your server.
As I said, what you're saying isn't horrible or anything, but you're sidestepping the fact that you're deliberately cheating on the social contract.
As an example, someone says "We'll take the $5 service fee off your bill, in exchange for you leaving $3-7 dollars based on how good the service was". You're happy to accept that discount, but not so happy to do your part.
In the end, tips help the people making your food too. Tipping servers means they need less in wages, freeing up funds to pay the cooks a better-than-minimum-wage rate.
D.Lo
Member
At the same place? Same size plate, weighs the same, takes the same time to cook, just uses cheaper ingredients.
Even better example - what about wine? One might cost 10 times another but the labour time is identical.
So waiters will upsell? I guess that makes sense from a mercenary salesman perspective, but I'm hardly being 'looked after' by someone upselling everything am I? The restaurant should give bonuses for upselling, not the customer.
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