legacyzero
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I agree Sess.
Wow, Nintendo. I'm so confused.
Wow, Nintendo. I'm so confused.
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SESSLER'S SOMETHING Nintendo Skipping Their E3 Press Conference
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TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
I call it the Geoff Keighley Effect.
No longer will Doritos call the shots, it's Bananas time to shine!!!
GoddyofAus
Banned
That E3 gets way more exposure from gaming and non-gaming press and also reaching a non-gaming audience. ND is directed at fans who are already invested in Nintendo.
I don't care either way but not E3 presser alongside Sony and MS does hint that they are either worried, or super confident.
What are their press conferences then? Last I checked, they still try to tug on fan heartstrings there with either announcements of new games like Kid Icarus or Legend of Zelda. They still announce services coming to their systems. They still go on long winded speeches about their philosophies and why they do what they do.
And they do all this in Nintendo Directs as well. So if they say days or weeks ahead of time that "Hey, we will be broadcasting our E3 Nintendo Direct news at this time, and will make our Wiiu announcements there," just like they do with an E3 press conference which plenty of non-Nintendo fans watch too... what changes?
The press are still invited to see this stuff. They will still me informed "Hey we are going to announce shit now".
What actually changes??
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Are you pretending there's no difference in perception between a pre recorded video of Iwata standing in front of a blue screen pretending to be funny and having an actual conference in front of hundreds of people, in terms of what is more likely to get the attention of a mainstream audience?
Fourth Storm
Member
I always saw it as a modern spin on Nintendo Power, as print press has declined (I know about Force before someone calls me out). Meanwhile, there is the belief going around that the entirety of the games journalism biz have turned their back on Nintendo. I still see their games getting good reviews, so I have no idea where this persecution complex comes from. If Nintendo doesn't want to throw these publications exclusives, that's their own decision. I sincerely doubt anyone would turn down a scoop on the latest LoZ or Mario title.
Now it seems like Nintendo are making ND the sole communication to the outside world from Iwata's Holy Mountain. Sessler is right - they are retreating into a bubble. Neither they nor some of their fans seem to be able to take constructive criticism. They'd rather cover their ears and shake their heads.
JetBlackPanda
Member
so they got some cheers at a show, do you think if they had announced that game on the show floor and showed the same video that info would not have gotten to consumers?
EmCeeGramr
Member
No, seriously, Nintendo never said that their E3 presentation will be a Nintendo Direct.
It might be. There will probably be Directs during E3 week. But they outright said that the format of their presentation isn't finalized yet.
It might be. There will probably be Directs during E3 week. But they outright said that the format of their presentation isn't finalized yet.
GoddyofAus
Banned
The press weren't the only ones watching. they had millions of pairs of eyes trained on that screen all at once through the live stream as well.
Dr.Palutena
Member
uhhhhhhhh...you do know what E3 is right?
EmCeeGramr
Member
No. I'm asking why people are pretending that if Nintendo airs an hour+ video during E3 time that serves the effective function of a conference for gamers and at the same time as a conference, then anybody who is not a Nintendo fan or owner will go "shit I can't watch this, it might be called 'a Nintendo Direct' and that's not for me."
Hell, we still don't even know if it is a prerecorded video.
Refreshment.01
Member
Agree, cut the middle man Nintendo. Is not like the press gave a sh!t about the consumer anyways. ND are one of the best decisions from Nintendo in recent times.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Great, now you're both confirmed to be delusional
Um, I think this just shows that my views are in line with The Most Respect Man In Video Game Journalism In The Americas.
Because the method in which is airs may well be different. If it's only on Nintendo's website, for example, there's a good chance it'll get less advertising in advance. I don't see Gametrailers having a week long countdown clock for something they won't air.
Nobody knows whether or not a Nintendo broadcast would generate any difference in exposure than E3, since there's no E3 Nintendo Direct data to go on.
JetBlackPanda
Member
This is true but I don't see how watching it announced live > then releasing the same video to the media and the internet.
It's kind of significant. People keep asserting that people will watch E3 conferences and not watch Nintendo Directs, and I've not heard a valid argument as to why, just people rephrasing the assertion. Let's revisit the original exchange, salient parts isolated out:
I ask why more people would watch an E3 Conference than an E3 Nintendo Direct. The reply I got states that E3 gets more viewers and coverage. The reply is stating *what* happens, not *why* it will happen, and I've not seen a reasonable argument yet as to *why* it is. The reply I got is tantamount to saying "Fewer people will watch it because fewer people will watch it".
You could argue it's semantics, but in turn I'd argue that "E3 Conference" versus "E3 Nintendo Direct" is *also* semantics.
Refreshment.01
Member
SEGA.
Wins 2 consecutive E3's... meant exactly d*g sh!t.
Not arguing with facts.
Nintendo only gets respect from me today. Well done.
Wins 2 consecutive E3's... meant exactly d*g sh!t.
Not arguing with facts.
Nintendo only gets respect from me today. Well done.
EmCeeGramr
Member
It might be different.
That's my point. 90% of this discussion is based on pure conjecture built from Iwata making vague statements at an investor briefing. From "we will have multiple events, for example these two for distributors and press impressions, more details will come about presentations for our audience," we have the assumption that, "there will be two events, and a 'Nintendo Direct' only on Nintendo's website."
shinobi602
Member
Sess put it excellently. Fully agree with him.
Unless the mainstream media know about it and advertise it, plus they plaster posters and adverts all over buildings and on TV, they won't have the E3 exposure results. E3 is just a massive event that can be used to market your products.
I don't really understand why people seem to be thinking this is a massive mistake? There are still going to be press events and Nintendo will still be there with games to show off. They just won't have a live presentation there.
Regardless of what the Nintendo Direct's audience mainly consists of, people will hear/read about any big announcements. It's not like you NEED to watch the E3 presentations in order to know what happened.
Regardless of what the Nintendo Direct's audience mainly consists of, people will hear/read about any big announcements. It's not like you NEED to watch the E3 presentations in order to know what happened.
nckillthegrimace
Member
I applaud your efforts, Sisyphus.
Maybe it shows the opposite. He's never been the same since he got fired.
Journalists already getting salty. The plan is working
Seriously how can you be so deluded? Sessler doesn't benefit one bit from the failure of the Wii-U. Neither do I, but Sessler is telling it like it is. My brother watches E3 every year, he doesnt know wtf an Nintendo Direct is, I asked him the other day. Echo Chamber is a perfect metphor, completely useless in reaching the new audience they need. Who wants trickled down info?
As a gamer E3 is my Super Bowl, don't give a fuck what you people think, it matters.
scytherage
Member
I think Nintendo wants to avoid non-journalists from comparing their games with Sony's and Microsoft's. Negative feedback from gamers will get them negative press, which they're trying to avoid.
Not that the game press will be nice to them, though. It's a gamble...I think this is a bad idea. It shows they aren't confident.
Not that the game press will be nice to them, though. It's a gamble...I think this is a bad idea. It shows they aren't confident.
GoddyofAus
Banned
I disagree entirely. E3 has been around for years. Nintendo Direct, a year at most. I am a firm believer that there are people out there who specifically mark E3 on their calendars because they know that this is the time that all the big gaming announcements happen, and probably the first place they go for that information is the press conference live streams.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
There's no history of Nintendo Directs airing first anywhere other than Nintendo's website, right? Or Justin.tv or whatever it is they use.
Sure, it could be different, but the logical thing is to assume this will just be airing on their website.
Nintendo being Nintendo. But this doesn't bother me much as I've found their E3 pressers to always be the most disappointing of the three. I sit there every year waiting for them to wow me again but it never happens and I end up feeling like Nintendo is speaking to a crowd I don't understand at all. So this is fine. They might as well just make it official and stop even trying to speak to me, speak to your fans and hope they can keep the Wii U afloat cause I have no idea what you are trying to do anymore.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Precedent kind of got thrown out the window last night, so it's hard to use that as a measuring stick.
Pretty much. Still, the one thing I've always liked about Directs is how, for the lack of a better word, dry they are. Not every consumer likes every game. The Directs know that. I never get the feeling Nintendo tries to sell me on everything - they show me what they have, and it's up to me to decide what's interesting and what isn't. It simply feels honest.
opticalmace
Member
Because a big main stage live E3 conference has been status quo for many years. People except big blow-out conferences because that is what they have gotten.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
As long as they're referring to them as Directs, not really. How can it be a direct if it airs via a third party
Clearly this new approach is so basically so they can get the CNN reporter off on their own and explain the concept in words of one syllable
A thought strikes me: How did Konami's prerecorded E3 presser do compared to the live ones in previous years? Probably best to not include 2010, since that took on a life of its own
SolarPowered
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It is changing. It's getting smaller.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
I can only see the E3 publicity as a necessity if Nintendo was going to show a ton of casual stuff to try and grab at that segmented Wii audience and allow news outlets outside of gaming press to convey that information.
A part of me feels like they wouldn't care if all they highlighted was their possible upcoming hard-hitters like Bayonetta 2, SMT x FE, unannounced popular Nintendo IP. I'm just not sure if just a new Mario Kart is enough to sell a Wii U to those customers.
Oh well, E3 is more exciting with this turn of event.
A part of me feels like they wouldn't care if all they highlighted was their possible upcoming hard-hitters like Bayonetta 2, SMT x FE, unannounced popular Nintendo IP. I'm just not sure if just a new Mario Kart is enough to sell a Wii U to those customers.
Oh well, E3 is more exciting with this turn of event.
Smiles and Cries
Member
The IWATA UNBOXING of Wii U was CLASSIC and EPIC TROLL of the press and youtube media
I love it when they do that shit, they need to sit around and copy some GiantBomb Quicklook styles next. wait... lol they do this in Every Other NINTENDO DIRECT
I cannot wait to see Bayonetta 2 for the first time on a Nintendo Direct beats waiting for some exclusive gaming magazine cover or some website exclusive embargo
most of the anti-Nintendo reaction by the Press about this is Self-Serving and they know it, it is all about their bottom line. Still they get just as many hits from Ranting Mad Videos about Nintendo so it all balances out. Knock yourself out Media
EmCeeGramr
Member
Once again: they haven't said that it will be a Nintendo Direct.
opticalmace
Member
Did you watch the whole video?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Pretty sure closed door press event at e3 will do just fine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzQJpP8M7XA&sns=em
Dave Meltzer
Banned
But they brought up Directs as a means of demonstrating how they can communicate directly to customers without the need for a conference.
I think it is you, EmCeeGramr, who is making the logic leap and I who is the one with the sound mind thinking rationally. We shall see when the truth is revealed and one of us is made to look like a fool. To be continued, m8
OG_Original Gamer
Member
I don't get most comments I see during E3 is, enough with LTD's, MTD's, fiscal year, the big demonstration has way to many boring points Meh info. If the Nintendo direct is just trailers and gameplay footage I'm game. Now I do admit that I will miss the on stage gameplay demonstrations thats followed by cheers and hands clapping.
It's all about the wording of it
EmCeeGramr
Member
I've already conceded that it might be a Direct because who knows with Nintendo, but they said that they're thinking of different formats and that it might be some new kind of presentation style which makes me think that it just being a Direct is not as sure of a bet as people are assuming.
Either way, I will be the Big League Chew and you will be the baby school.