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SESSLER'S SOMETHING Nintendo Skipping Their E3 Press Conference

Did you read the IGN article? Not at all what Meelow was saying it was

Unfortunately, many only read the title of the article and have their opinion formed. Which is exactly why people take issue with it.

There was also the initial announcement and the new IGN editorial-thing today. The former is what's being called out, and the positive image of the new article doesn't negate the initial announcements tone.

Let's be honest, we get all excited about E3 but most people don't. In the grand scheme of things this means nothing imo. What is more important are a steady stream of announcements that get picked up from the usual sites. The E3 presentations are just for us hardcore's.

But the mainstream have their finger on the pulse for this thing nowadays apparently. Reality is, very few will hear anything directly from the conference, live press conference or otherwise. I don't know many mainstream people who watch the Apple conferences, though that is something I believe that they do. They just pay attention to what the press say about the new toy and move on from there.
 
Did you read the IGN article? Not at all what Meelow was saying it was

The title was "No Nintendo E3 Press Conference at E3 2013" (or something close to that) and IGN was down on the news, and everyone in the comments were all disappointed and displeased with Nintendp.
 
The title was "No Nintendo E3 Press Conference at E3 2013" (or something close to that) and IGN was down on the news, and everyone in the comments were all disappointed and displeased with Nintendp.
I don't think U read the entire article. Nice read actually.
 
Why is the Wii U over?

Over is a bit much. It ain't going anywhere, but it's definitely looking to be a GameCube in sales though, which Nintendo would probably consider a failure. Don't really care about all that though, all I need is Smash and a price drop.
 
Yeah, I'm saying people should read the whole article for the news without reading the title and assuming and writing down a comment.



Also on IGN Daily Fix they did "Nintendo fans body's aren't ready for this news, Nintendo will not be having a E3 Conference this year"
Seriously, what's your point?
 
You may have missed when I asked earlier, but I would be interested in hearing what you think Nintendo should do differently, or should have done differently in this specific case, to keep press outlets from misrepresenting their announcements.

Sorry - until now I was travelling and posting from my iPhone, so I was temporarily avoiding posts that would require long responses. I'm home now.

What do I think Nintendo should do differently? Well, idealy, in regards to E3, nothing. I agree with Sessler in that regard.

First, here's the rub:

a) Nintendo currently has an image problem.
b) Their latest home console is thus far a high profile failure the likes of which haven't been seen before by the company.
c) Because of a and b, Nintendo is increasingly perceived as unable to compete with Sony and MS. This is not a good thing.

Because of these three things, I think it is incredibly unwise of Nintendo to do anything that appears, even if only at first glance, to be a downsize in comparison to what their competition is doing. You can argue and insist that we're still getting info on games from Nintendo this E3 and that the press will still have access; but when people hear that Nintendo is not doing a large press conference at E3 like their competition is, you can bet the initial interpretation of that news is negative. The perception is negative. This is not good. In PR and marketing, most people will tell you that in many cases the perception of how something is is almost just as important as how something actually is. Couple this with the fact that Nintendo is already having difficulty drumming up positive press this year, and it should be easy to see why many people are arguing that Nintendo is being foolish here.

Now, back to your question. I agreed the most with Sessler when he said it's about saving face. The solution to their perception problem right now isn't to downsize, or do anything that even looks like downsizing. The solution is to continue going forward full speed. So what MS and Sony are holding huge press conferences where they will be unveiling new hardware? What Nintendo should be doing is holding their traditional press conference regardless, showcasing their best software with all the pomp and circumstance they can muster, and sending the message that they don't care what the fuck Sony and MS are doing because they have a good product and BELIEVE in their product. What they should NOT be doing is bowing out and indirectly sending the message that they don't believe in their product's chances against the competition. And, even if that's not what's actually happening, I guaran-fucking-tee you that's exactly what it's going to look like. I mean, just look around you; this is already happening.

People, like you, are getting to the point where you blaming the format of Nintendo's previous E3s for their poor showings. This is a non sequitur. The format isn't what makes Nintendo pointlessly vague, or keeps them from properly framing their message. That's their own incompetence at work. Changing the format isn't going to automatically fix that for them. If Nintendo was blind and bullheaded while doing things the old way, they'll continue to be now if they don't ever get around to treating the cause and not the symptom.
 
^ the interpretation will depend on what they have that they can show, how they show it, and how all that is received not only stand alone but vs the other showings. All of this is, right now, completely unknown.

The most important is what they have. This could be received badly even with a conference as the word conference alone doesn't guarantee success, as every 1st party has gloriously proven in the past.

There is nothing more to it. At this point there is no room for interpretation, only assumptions fueled by yellow journalism or fanboyism and people saying it's too early to assume anything since all we really know is they intend (as always, the intent is to do good for their brand, failure can come with and without a conference just as well as has been repeated many many times already) to have something for all, possibly more than others since they confirmed they'll have something extra for their Japanese audience that isn't usually as catered to during E3 since it's USA/English focused, though of course outlets report things there too.

The people you can reach with E3 that you don't usually reach with other events aren't reading any of this so I don't think it's damaging to their image at this point either, haters gonna hate while the rest wait as always.
 
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Sorry - until now I was travelling and posting from my iPhone, so I was temporarily avoiding posts that would require long responses. I'm home now.

What do I think Nintendo should do differently? Well, idealy, in regards to E3, nothing. I agree with Sessler in that regard.

First, here's the rub:

a) Nintendo currently has an image problem.
b) Their latest home console is thus far a high profile failure the likes of which haven't been seen before by the company.
c) Because of a and b, Nintendo is increasingly perceived as unable to compete with Sony and MS. This is not a good thing.

Because of these three things, I think it is incredibly unwise of Nintendo to do anything that appears, even if only at first glance, to be a downsize in comparison to what their competition is doing. You can argue and insist that we're still getting info on games from Nintendo this E3 and that the press will still have access; but when people hear that Nintendo is not doing a large press conference at E3 like their competition is, you can bet the initial interpretation of that news is negative. The perception is negative. This is not good. In PR and marketing, most people will tell you that in many cases the perception of how something is is almost just as important as how something actually is. Couple this with the fact that Nintendo is already having difficulty drumming up positive press this year, and it should be easy to see why many people are arguing that Nintendo is being foolish here.

Now, back to your question. I agreed the most with Sessler when he said it's about saving face. The solution to their perception problem right now isn't to downsize, or do anything that even looks like downsizing. The solution is to continue going forward full speed. So what MS and Sony are holding huge press conferences where they will be unveiling new hardware? What Nintendo should be doing is holding their traditional press conference regardless, showcasing their best software with all the pomp and circumstance they can muster, and sending the message that they don't care what the fuck Sony and MS are doing because they have a good product and BELIEVE in their product. What they should NOT be doing is bowing out and indirectly sending the message that they don't believe in their product's chances against the competition. And, even if that's not what's actually happening, I guaran-fucking-tee you that's exactly what it's going to look like. I mean, just look around you; this is already happening.

People, like you, are getting to the point where you blaming the format of Nintendo's previous E3s on their poor showings. This is a non sequitur. The format isn't what makes Nintendo pointlessly vague, or keeps them from properly framing their message. That's their own incompetence at work. Changing the format isn't going to automatically fix that for them. If Nintendo was blind and bullheaded while doing things the old way, they'll continue to be now if they don't ever get around to treating the cause and not the symptom.

Thanks for the reply. I see what you're saying, but I disagree that it will result in less hype or a torn down image judging by the amount of press and hype generated by this year's Nintendo Directs, unadvertised and unannounced until hours before they started. We will have to wait and see what the end result is, though. To your point about this thread being an example of their perception already taking a hit, well to that I would argue that a lot of it is trolling.

I, however, never blamed the format for previous poor showings. My stance this whole time is that at the worst this will probably have no effect, but at best the change can be used to help. (I only started posting in this thread because I was so frustrated that so many people kept saying that Nintendo wasn't going to be at E3 at all, and ignoring people telling them that they were). Of course if they had the same exact presentation last year except without a live audience, nothing would have been different. Judging by the quality of recent Directs, plus what they said in this press release, it seems to me that they understand that the different audiences want different things. A games journalist who is actually interested in writing a real article on Nintendoland, for example, would want to sit through a ten minute demo of the Luigi minigame. You and I, however, want to get to the trailer reel.
 
Sorry - until now I was travelling and posting from my iPhone, so I was temporarily avoiding posts that would require long responses. I'm home now.

What do I think Nintendo should do differently? Well, idealy, in regards to E3, nothing. I agree with Sessler in that regard.

First, here's the rub:

a) Nintendo currently has an image problem.
b) Their latest home console is thus far a high profile failure the likes of which haven't been seen before by the company.
c) Because of a and b, Nintendo is increasingly perceived as unable to compete with Sony and MS. This is not a good thing.

Because of these three things, I think it is incredibly unwise of Nintendo to do anything that appears, even if only at first glance, to be a downsize in comparison to what their competition is doing. You can argue and insist that we're still getting info on games from Nintendo this E3 and that the press will still have access; but when people hear that Nintendo is not doing a large press conference at E3 like their competition is, you can bet the initial interpretation of that news is negative. The perception is negative. This is not good. In PR and marketing, most people will tell you that in many cases the perception of how something is is almost just as important as how something actually is. Couple this with the fact that Nintendo is already having difficulty drumming up positive press this year, and it should be easy to see why many people are arguing that Nintendo is being foolish here.

Now, back to your question. I agreed the most with Sessler when he said it's about saving face. The solution to their perception problem right now isn't to downsize, or do anything that even looks like downsizing. The solution is to continue going forward full speed. So what MS and Sony are holding huge press conferences where they will be unveiling new hardware? What Nintendo should be doing is holding their traditional press conference regardless, showcasing their best software with all the pomp and circumstance they can muster, and sending the message that they don't care what the fuck Sony and MS are doing because they have a good product and BELIEVE in their product. What they should NOT be doing is bowing out and indirectly sending the message that they don't believe in their product's chances against the competition. And, even if that's not what's actually happening, I guaran-fucking-tee you that's exactly what it's going to look like. I mean, just look around you; this is already happening.

People, like you, are getting to the point where you blaming the format of Nintendo's previous E3s for their poor showings. This is a non sequitur. The format isn't what makes Nintendo pointlessly vague, or keeps them from properly framing their message. That's their own incompetence at work. Changing the format isn't going to automatically fix that for them. If Nintendo was blind and bullheaded while doing things the old way, they'll continue to be now if they don't ever get around to treating the cause and not the symptom.

i like this
 
I don't really get what the problem is with Nintendo not doing an E3 conference. They'll still be able to disseminate content while hopefully saving face and money.
 
Over is a bit much. It ain't going anywhere, but it's definitely looking to be a GameCube in sales though, which Nintendo would probably consider a failure. Don't really care about all that though, all I need is Smash and a price drop.
I don't think the system is necessarily becoming another Gamecube, and I don't believe it needs a price drop. People may say what they want, but it's a next gen system, and it's probably going to be the cheapest next gen system.

Either way, as a fan, I was pissed at first - now I kinda like where this is going. Several high profile Directs targeted at gamers instead of a smoke and mirrors press conference with musical acts and Nintendoland fireworks? Sign me up! Their last E3 conferences were shit, the PS4 reveal was boring me to tears, but the January Direct was amazing. It felt like it was catering to me as a gamer, not doing a loud and flashy dog and pony show intended to please everybody, yet actually satisfying nobody.
 
I don't think the system is necessarily becoming another Gamecube, and I don't believe it needs a price drop. People may say what they want, but it's a next gen system, and it's probably going to be the cheapest next gen system.

Either way, as a fan, I was pissed at first - now I kinda like where this is going. Several high profile Directs targeted at gamers instead of a smoke and mirrors press conference with musical acts and Nintendoland fireworks? Sign me up! Their last E3 conferences were shit, the PS4 reveal was boring me to tears, but the January Direct was amazing. It felt like it was catering to me as a gamer, not doing a loud and flashy dog and pony show intended to please everybody, yet actually satisfying nobody.

I need a pricedrop. No game I can think of aside from a Pokemon or Fire Emblem Single Player RPG, will get me to buy it for $300-$350. It''s a next-gen system in name and chronology only, it doesn't offer me anything over my 360 or PS3. The Gamepad I really can take or leave, don't care about it.


Software is absolutely problem #1, price is #2.
 
I need a pricedrop. No game I can think of aside from a Pokemon or Fire Emblem Single Player RPG, will get me to buy it for $300-$350. It''s a next-gen system in name and chronology only, it doesn't offer me anything over my 360 or PS3. The Gamepad I really can take or leave, don't care about it.


Software is absolutely problem #1, price is #2.

Would you buy a Wii U if Nintendo announced a price drop, a Pokemon Single Player RPG, and a Fire Emblem RPG during a Nintendo Direct?
 
I need a pricedrop. No game I can think of aside from a Pokemon or Fire Emblem Single Player RPG, will get me to buy it for $300-$350. It''s a next-gen system in name only and chronology only, it doesn't offer me anything over my 360 or PS3. The Gamepad I really can take or leave, don't care about it.


Software is absolutely problem #1, price is #2.
With all the first and 'second' party games coming for the system the only ones that would get you to buy one are two 'second tier' title?And you call yourself a fan?
 
With all the first and 'second' party games coming for the system the only ones that would get you to buy one are two 'second tier' title?And you call yourself a fan?

Yes. I'm a fan, but i'm not made of money. Nothing on that console justifies a purchase from me at this point.

This is why so many people don't think it matters whether Nintendo announces games/prices on a stage or if they announce them on a streaming video.

I'm a core gamer who enjoys some Nintendo games, not the demographic Nintendo needs to reach. Nintendo needs to hype up the people who aren't their fans to begin with. I am fan, I am simply very critical. They have no hype, which simply disappoints me.
 
It's clear a lot of their movements this year have been in reaction to a likely budget cut for the NoA marketing team. Could be because of NCL financing projecting lower revenue in the market so decreased spend overall, or a change in strategy to be primarily ROI focused, and they are looking at maximum return on spend, which a lot of these tactics seem to suggest.
 
I'm a core gamer who enjoys some Nintendo games, not the demographic Nintendo needs to reach. Nintendo needs to hype the people who aren't their fans to begin with. I am fan, I am simply very critical.

Right. But the only people who watch E3 Press Conferences are core gamers. If Nintendo wants to reach everybody else, they need to show games and demos to the mainstream media. Which they are doing. CNN, ABC, USA Today, whoever is going to be at E3 will be at Nintendo's Press Conference.

As far as "the excitement of the gaming media" goes, as I alluded to earlier... if it takes an Usher concert and a laser light show to get them excited enough to report on a major participant of the industry they're supposed to be covering, then god damn. Gaming journalism is a joke.
 
Haha, assuming alot aren't we? My most heavily anticipated next gen game is Deep Down. But go ahead, try and figure out my tastes, it's cute.

If the only possible thing that will get you to buy a Wii U is Pokemon and Fire Emblem, out of curiosity, what are the games that will justify purchasing two potentially $500 systems, the PS4 and Nextbox? Genuinely asking, not trying to be cute.
 
I almost can't blame them. The nextbox and ps4s conferences and overall hype will be deafening, Nintendo can go ahead and sit this one out and let whatever software they have speak for itself.
 
If the only possible thing that will get you to buy a Wii U is Pokemon and Fire Emblem, out of curiosity, what are the games that will justify purchasing two potentially $500 systems, the PS4 and Nextbox? Genuinely asking, not trying to be cute.

I don't need any game to really justify those purchases. We know they will have 3rd party support. We know they will have exclusives. I'm jumping in because I care about visuals, this console generation has been dragging it's feet for far too long. I'm ready for next-gen. The Wi-U's future is shaky with 3rd party support and I don't even like or care for certain Nintendo franchises like the great Mario platformers. I don't need Mario Kart either as I have 7 on my 3DS and Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed on my PC.

Price Drop and Smash, then my interest will be piqued. Wii-U's only chance next gen will be as a secondary console.
 
If you don't care about Nintendo Direct, why would you care about the same news being presented live on stage? I'm genuinely trying to understand the big difference here. It's not like Nintendo is going to go silent during E3 and announce nothing. All we're losing is the awkward stage presentation. I care about the actual announcements and game media/impressions, which it sounds like we're still getting.

Hype, Excitement, Spectacle. That's all I wanted. This is fucking E3, go big or go home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU7WGAJPRRw

Not the fucking trailer, this fucking game simply coming out of nowhere that's what. If you don't understand I'm done with you.

Yeah, this came out of nowhere, too:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ue5DSuDbTgw


There's no difference whatsoever here. Hype is hype is hype. The delivery method is irrelevant.

How many units has Xenoblade sold? And why the fuck would I care? I already said hype does not equal sales.

Ok, at this point it's safe to assume you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

You don't care about Nintendo Direct, but only watch their E3 conference for the hype.

You then mention how hyped you were for Watch Dogs being announced out of nowhere. A brand new IP with 0 brand appeal.

Phantom Posts X trailer, a game that has received a lot of hype, also being announced out of nowhere.

You then ask how many units Xenoblade has sold, ignoring the fact that Watch Dogs hasn't sold a single copy either, and mentioning that hype is irrelevant when it comes to sales.

From what I can gather, in your opinion nothing Nintendo shows will impress you, whether it's through a Nintendo Direct or E3 presentation since you don't appear to be a fan of the Wii U. Your only issue seems to be the fact you really want to watch a live conference of a company who's product you don't even want to buy.
 
I don't need any game to really justify those purchases. We know they will have 3rd party support. We know they will have exclusives. I'm jumping in because I care about visuals, this console generation has been dragging it's feet for far too long. I'm ready for next-gen. The Wi-U's future is shaky with 3rd party support and I don't even like or care for certain Nintendo franchises like the great Mario platformers. I don't need Mario Kart either as I have 7 on my 3DS and Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed on my PC.

Price Drop and Smash, then my interest will be piqued. Wii-U's only chance next gen will be as a secondary console.

I guess I was wondering which games that you can't get on PC are the games that excite you so much that you're willing to drop $1,000 blindly because you know they'll be on either of the two systems. I wasn't looking for "3rd Party," I was looking for actual games.
 
I've come to the conclusion that there's something about Nintendo Direct that causes people to lose their shit. Hopefully someone writes a paper discussing the psychological reason why this shit is happening. It'd be fascinating...
 
I don't need any game to really justify those purchases. We know they will have 3rd party support. We know they will have exclusives. I'm jumping in because I care about visuals, this console generation has been dragging it's feet for far too long. I'm ready for next-gen. The Wi-U's future is shaky with 3rd party support and I don't even like or care for certain Nintendo franchises like the great Mario platformers. I don't need Mario Kart either as I have 7 on my 3DS and Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed on my PC.

Price Drop and Smash, then my interest will be piqued. Wii-U's only chance next gen will be as a secondary console.
Guy, what do you believe made this generation 'drag' on for so long? Wasn't this gen to last ten years. Who were the ones that made those comments?
 
I guess I was wondering which games that you can't get on PC are the games that excite you so much that you're willing to drop $1,000 blindly because you know they'll be on either of the two systems. I wasn't looking for "3rd Party," I was looking for actual games.

Who said i'm dropping $1000? I have no interest in the Durango at this point. And being a PC gamer makes me want new consoles even more, the PS360 have been holding pc back for years now. And sorry, I play and enjoy 3rd party games. To think 3rd party doesn't matter is completely delusional man.
 
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